Will people quit parroting this BS? Some people paid that who got to the game late. I didn't even pay $7K for my BiB. Of course BiBs are going for way more than that now, so how good a deal was it really?

I'll be limiting my pre orders to whatever Steve Ritchie's next game is. I had hoped for a Dennis Nordman machine from JJP and that is not going to happen. When it comes right down to it, I don't care what brand is on the pin. I just want the most fun playing pin I can get. I'll have plenty of time after the next SR game is released and in my living room to scope out the progress on TH and decide.

Sorry, the eight WoZ machines at IAAPA seemed to play fine with no resets that I saw. There were very few ball jams if any and I hung out near the games for a long time, not to mention playing at least one game on all 8 of them. There are also plenty of pictures to prove that they are being manufactured in large numbers now and just waiting on software and a few other touches. They will be "available" quite soon.

Much more likely its because JJP only has one design team. Joe Balcer and Keith Johnson are still working hard on WoZ and both will also be doing TH once WoZ is done. They will have way less than a year and a half on TH once they can turn their attention there. Don't forget that Stern has three design crews so they can have three games in the pipeline at once. Each game takes a long time to produce.

I had kind of hoped that Nordman had a playfield for JJP #2 designed and ready to go, but that is not the impression that I got listening to Jack at SPF.

The delays in WoZ may have caused cash flow problems and not to mention JJP needs to hire a bunch of factory workers soon. Otherwise, I really doubt they would have dropped this pre-payment bomb right at the worst time of the year for most people to have to cough up any money.