Quoted from michiganpinball:

I hear a Cuda is coming...seriously. When they roll out the new rear drive platform cars. If they make the new chassis Charger lighter (likely) I may have to spring for one. Cuda is rumored to come back with the new chassis so it will probably be lighter too. Then the one negative (weight) of the Hellcats would be fixed.

Quoted from Doostur:

Then there is a slight bend in the road and realize... O SH1T, my car can't turn!

Quoted from Doostur:

I drove the hell cat for a few good laps around monticello speedway. Then I drove a Cadillac CTS-V Wagon right after. The wagon out handled the hell cat in every way. The hell cat seems like a bloated whale. Plenty of power and torque... but thats all that can be said.
My reply wasn't aimed at the hell cat... it was a reply to the "8's in the 1/4 with a small block 358cu ford motor".
If you're ever board and want to subscribe to my "Magazine racer" article. Feel free to search "Doostur" on youtube. You'll see my TT 1500 hp Gallardo, 1200 HP GT2, 1000 HP GTR, 1000 HP Supra, 650 HP ITR. And maybe more up you're ally power wise is my 170 HP Ducati 899.

Quoted from Doostur:

It's called engineering which alot of car companies seem to skip and try to fool the public with high horse power cars to overshadow the rest.

Quoted from flynnibus:

garages are nasty places... so I can understand the desire for a cover.. the problem with a cover is it just invites bad behavior.. and unless you can clean the car before you put it on, you can be inviting more harm than good with dirt and scratches. I liked covering my car to keep it purdy... but I would only do it after the car had been washed and dried. But in NYC where you leave cars for extended periods.. I'd be torn. I guess I'd just clean the car each time before parking it

Quoted from TheLaw:

I've got a subaru on order...can we talk aboot that or is this 'Merican only?

Quoted from RobT:

Yeah, I am really surprised (and turned off) by the weight of the RS.
345 hp from a 4 banger is very impressive, but it would be put to much better use if the car was a lot lighter.

Quoted from RobT:

Ah, but of course. It's a great looking car! Just not enough power, and a bit small for a daily driver for me. Still really like the car overall though, and it's only about 2800 pounds.

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Quoted from Pinchroma:

Ugh looking at that thing and you wonder why GM needed government money for a bailout.
Aside from the vette and maybe the cts-v there isn't a single American car I want to own/drive. They all have fisher price interiors and plastic as far as the eye can see.

Quoted from Pinchroma:

I have. My friends Kia Optima has a nicer interior.

Quoted from RobT:

I think you got them backwards. The Ford RS is the hatchback. The STi is the sedan (first pic).

Quoted from Pinchroma:

I just took this. Now this is the original hellcat. gtx. 426 hemi image.jpeg

Quoted from davewtf:

that is a million times cooler than a hellcat IMHO.

stock for stock, it will take a 392 or hellcat to beat it.

Quoted from davewtf:

i hear you but my definition of cool isn't entirely based on being the quickest. That GTX in that picture is a rare beast. 1 of 30 hemi gtx made that year, if it's the real deal. that's a car that would make me whip a $hitty (u-turn in wisconsin-speak, don't know if that's common venacular) and try to see it again. By the same token, i've seen 3 hellcats on the road in the last month. I realize they are super fast, would love to own one but i wouldn't stop to look at one in a parking lot or a car show.
how about quickest to an empty gas tank?

Quoted from Pinchroma:

3.6 0-60 is pretty damn fast. I know the hellcat is 3.0 but it takes 700+ horsepower to move that fat fuck . Thing weighs MORE than my wife's GL which is registered as an overweight vehicle in NJ.
How the hell can dodge make the car nearly 3 tons and say "that's good". There are bridges you can't cross at that weight
My m3 carrying a Miata on its back doesn't weigh the same amount as that pig.

Quoted from Pinchroma:

It's 4640lbs curb and 5600 gross (<- nearly 3 tons). That's fat. Any my m3 is 3200 and corner weighted. Dropped a bunch of weight including some unsprung.
You don't think 4640 is hugely overweight for a performance car? That car could have been < 4100 if they tried harder. Used some different materials.
For example the e60 m5 with a v10 which is actually slightly bigger than the hellcat was 4060 with every option checked including sun roof. I just don't get how they couldn't knock at least 500lbs off that thing without losing anything.

Quoted from RobT:

Roostking:
I love this shot! It really shows how they did such a great job on the current Challenger in terms of basing it off of the original.
Like I've said before, Dodge did the best retro design based on it's heritage with the Challenger than any attempt by anyone else (such as the Camaro being based on the '69 Camaro, the 2005 Mustang, the early 2000 Thunderbird etc.).

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Quoted from metahugh:

Autocorrect ? . We know what you type often LOL.
After reading this thread I'm going to test drive a 2015 Challenger RT Plus tomorrow. Would love the scat pack or hell cat but can't afford either. Will see how it turns out.
I was so close to pulling the trigger on a 16 STi but not happy it's got the exact same engine that was in the car 8 years ago.

Quoted from metahugh:

I blame my dad too
I drove a 2016 Mustang GT at lunch today. Not sure it's my style but man it's quick. Love the Shaker sound system.

Quoted from metahugh:

Which model Challenger do you have?

Quoted from Pinchroma:

PUSSYcat

Quoted from Gexchange:

Indeed. I'm always worried to turn off K Band, thats the biggest reason I think Im going to update.. its not cheap at $289 but worth it
JJ

Quoted from lllvjr:

Looks like I found my next purchase
http://blog.caranddriver.com/jeep-ceo-hellcat-powered-jeep-grand-cherokee-coming-in-2017/

Quoted from pezpunk:

Very, very nearly pulled the trigger on a plum crazy purple Hellcat yesterday. I've got a plum crazy SRT challenger right now, and I absolutely adore the color and I get compliments every time I drive it. As cool as the hellcat is, I couldn't quite justify it to myself, plus it really would be pretty darn similar to my current ride (although the new interior is a tremendous upgrade, how often would I really get to appreciate the 707hp vs my current 450 or whatever). My next car will probably be a Tesla at this point.

Quoted from AstonEnthusiast:

Switched from a DB9 to a Tesla P85D. Miss the Aston lineage, but from a performance standpoint the Tesla roasts any ICE performance vehicle I have owned ( Italian exotics included ). For what you would pay for a Hellcat ( and the immediate domestic accelerated depreciation ), purchase a Tesla, blow away your friends rides and enjoy the cool tech and continuous updates for free.

Quoted from PinballNewb:

Are your feet still frostbit from walking 20 miles up hill in the snow each way to school as a kid? I personally prefer horseback.

Quoted from fiberdude120:

I have been tossing the idea of getting a 2016 mustang gt350. What do you guys and girls think?

Quoted from GGG:

The whole point about the retro muscle cars is the visceral feel and harkening back to the cars of your youth (My 1st car was a 1970 Challenger). Hell, my teeth even rattle when I start my Hellcat, that fast idle brings attention from everyone and everything in the vicinity! (Oops I kinda sound like Kaneda). When an electric car starts, nothing happens except maybe the Energizer bunny does a dance on the display...whee!
I used to be involved in Unlimited Hydroplane racing when the boats used Rolls & Allison 16 cylinder WWII aircraft engines, they called them "Thunderboats". Nothing quite like the sound and experience of 6 of them roaring by. Now they use Lycoming turbine hellicopter engines, they are now nicknamed hairdryers and the sport is pretty much dead.

Quoted from Drenden:

Coming from German cars, anything coming out of Chrysler feels like an interior designer by Mattel. Everything is plasticky.
An bottom of the line Audi A3 has a nicer interior than just about any American car. Not to mention it will probably go 250-300k miles with basic maintenance. I wouldn't own that hellcat past warranty. You will pay 20% of its value yearly just to keep it on the road.

Quoted from Drenden:

You think that 70,000 car is worth 70k the second you drive it off the lot? Try trading it in after a month. You MAY get 50k if you're lucky. And yes once the warranty is up after 3 years and it dropped more than 50% value (let's call it worth 35k and I'm being super generous). Then to think you will spend 6-7k a year on it to maintain is hardly a stretch.
If you think that hunk of crap is only going to depreciate 10k over 3 years then you really drank the cuda koolaide.
There is a reason none of the chryslers/dodges hold their value. Lowest return value of ANY American car brand. Those are facts. Easily verifiable. Have fun looking it up.
Ohh and since it's a 2.5-3 season car you aren't even going to be able to use it if you live in anywhere that snows thus making it even more of a useless car.

Quoted from Drenden:

Wow. I said AFTER THE WARRANTY. And I even spelled it out for you. SMH.
Glad I have never turned a wrench before as someone else has posted. LOL. I love the mopar guys getting butt hurt. The car is nothing more than an engine. It goes fast in a pin straight line and nothing else. Take it to a real track where there are you know.. turns. It would get lapped by a properly set up mini cooper. Any idiot can make a car go fast in a straight line. Just dump a shit ton of HP into it (case in point).
Look at its 'ring times. Its CRAP.
7:51.51 Dodge Challenger SRT Hellcat (2016)
7:50:63 Honda Civic Type R
7:42.9 Chevrolet Corvette C6 Z06
Your massive displacement monster went around slower than a 2.0L lawnmower with a grocery cart wing.
Chevy managed to get the Z06 around nearly 10 seconds faster with 200 less HP.
In fact the ONLY car with more HP to go around the ring faster was the bugatti veyron and its north of 1000.
For me the true test of engineering is how fast you can go negotiating turns. Straight line speed is something you expect from shade tree mechanics in a garage. Means nothing to those who don't "live life a quarter mile at a time".

Quoted from Drenden:

The brown and red are track mules. Not in any way street legal. The other 4 I own I drove daily. 83 911 SC, 2014 Carerra S , a 2014 GT3 RS and a 2015 Cayanne.
But I guess you've never had the joy of driving one. The barrier for entry is having all your teeth which they obviously don't check for at the "hemi" dealer. My original "Eurotrash" are highly soughtafter collectibles that were assembled by hand by craftsman not some fat man in Michigan. 'Murica!

Quoted from RobT:

Are they selling Hellcats at sticker price yet?
I checked local inventory about a week ago, and there appears to be a ton of Hellcats in stock at dealer lots here in SoCal.

Quoted from Astropin:

Winner - Hellcat by a nose. He said driving the hellcat made his cheeks hurt from smiling so much. The Tesla was super cool in a techno way but just didn't have the visceral impact of the Hellcat.

Quoted from flynnibus:

Not at all.. It's a legit point. Below 100 mph you are going to get so much 'bang' out of the on-demand torque of the EV verses the 700+HP of the Hellcat that you really need that high end speed to benefit from the feature and be more favorable than the EV's profile.
So while the high trap speed of the Hellcat looks like a huge delta.. it's a "feature" you'll get to benefit from FAR less than the torque profile of the EV.
On public roads, sustaining that kind of speed is pretty rare and extremely risky. Here in VA, get busted doing 100+mph and your car will be impounded and you'll be on your way to detention. Same with any street racing. The # of times I've been over 120 on public roads I could count on my hands. The track at Summit Point (WV) you can hit that on their straightaway (my Z would hit about 127 before a conservative brake zone..) but minus the main straight, most of the 2.5 mile course is under 100mph. I've had the car WAY faster.. but it's extremely rare.
It's a statement about "what will you get to use the most and actually get to experience?". I would never buy a car because it did 200+ instead of 175mph... I'll never ever experience that, even if the car can do it. I'd buy the car for the elements I'd actually use. The instant torque I'd benefit every day from... everywhere.

Quoted from Drenden:

The P85D is fast.. the P90D is just flat out stupid.
8 car lengths..
» YouTube video

Quoted from flynnibus:

Of course not... But the tesla has far more hookup and acceleration. The hellcat sure makes more of a scene... But in the rear view mirror. In the comparison at hand, the hellcat's advantage is in HP.
Point is... Where the hellcat is dominating vs the comparison at hand... You won't get to use much and where you will use it more, the hellcat was at a disadvantage.
If you want just pure experience... Get a big ol 427 in a old muscle car. It too will sound, smell, and wretch you around for far less money. But it won't be as quick nor as great as a ride between those drags. That is what is killer about the tesla... You are getting a super premium driver.... And it has super car acceleration for those moments of testosterone
If I want Something to flick around... I wouldn't be buying a 4500lb behemoth like the hellcats or the heavy tesla either.

Quoted from RyanStl:

Does anyone know what kind of damage that much battery drain does when using ludicrous mode? I bet the Hellcat can do that so many more times and have no affect on the motor. The Tesla owner maybe leading to way early battery change outs.
Don't get me wrong, I would love to have a Model S as a DD, but for pure thrill give me the Hellcat. Never mind. 350R would be my poison.

Quoted from RyanStl:

I would not even blink and buy the Gt350, even more so if R. That car is special and will be worth way more down than 'vette and Porsche because they are normal models. Hellcat and whatever special Camaro of your choice may hold money like the GT 350.

Quoted from rotordave:

Man, that thing looks like a boat windshield!
The lexus ones are a thin strip of stainless steel, maybe an inch or so wide. They hardly stick up over the roof line.
rd

Quoted from rotordave:

I would go Vette every day. I would buy one now.
But 2 seats just doesn't work for me.
FYI in other news, you can buy a new right hand drive Mustang here in NZ and Australia now. They have sold heaps of them too. Becoming dime a dozen ... You see them every time you go out.
That's the good thing with the RCF (and the ISF before it). You never see them around, so you have something pretty unique.
rd

Quoted from Drenden:

Figure you Mopar guys will appreciate this.
https://www.facebook.com/theredlistgroup/videos/974964055963360/

Quoted from pezpunk:

well shit, sherlock holmes here ruined my attempt at suspense. oh well!
yeah, i have a P100D on order.

Quoted from Astropin:

Probably not the thread for this (but what the hell). We just picked these up last Saturday:

2016 Kawasaki STX-15f and Ultra LX
My wife and I have ridden for years (but never owned) and our kids really just started riding this summer....so we decided to get our own. These are not "top of the line" supercharged models. We just like to have fun on them....tossing them around and making sharp diving turns......no need to do over 70mph on the water. The Green one will top out around 65 and the big one around 57. Both can pull skiers, tubers...etc...
First day out:

Quoted from Khabbi:

2014 Roush Supercharged 600hp Raptor. The Roush exhaust on this truck sounds amazing, better than any muscle car I've had in the past. It's tough to think of getting rid of this, it does everything, and does it well.. rides like a cadillac, hauls pins and arcade machines, and getting on the 600hp motor is a blast on the street or in the dirt.
I like the new Raptors coming out, but I prefer a V8 and the 6.2 motor over a ecoboosted V6. The most appealing part of the new Raptors to me is the upgraded electronics and options, like lane change warning, parking cameras, and all the new stuff. As of now I have no plans on upgrading, the Roush factory supercharged Raptors are pretty rare and I'm still smitten with this package.
I really have fell in love with the GT350 though, and my dealer wants my Raptor back badly. Wish I could haul a pinball machine in a Mustang!

Quoted from Msch:

Dodge products from that era are worthless. If you wish to support Detroit, I would suggest trying GM or Ford next time.

Quoted from jhanley:

I still have my 99 F150.It runs but has all kinds of electrical bugs.I was a Ford fan for a long time.

Quoted from RobT:

Looks like Dodge wants a piece of the Ford Raptor pie:
» YouTube video
37 inch tires!

Quoted from kpg:

Dude, I think you are getting unnecessarily angry and have now called me several names, while being aggressive and hostile. Whatever the reasoning it is that you are this upset because of some forum posts, I hope all is well in your life and can move past this. Best of luck man!

Quoted from ovfdfireman:

The age of manufacturer horsepower wars, how much horsepower can we create from a bone stock car and still provide a warranty. Pretty cool. Eventually the govt will shut this down or over tax it lame
Seems it is all about horsepower without consideration to traction...800 hp doesn't really get transferred to the road with the small tires, Just need it "tubbed" from the factory! Gotta love the new horsepower cars, super chargers, etc. We used to have to do this stuff at home, now anyone can buy it already done.

Quoted from Beebl:

Reports say 707 HP, High 9s is very optimistic...mid 10s more likely.

Quoted from pezpunk:

I just don't understand why they wouldn't go AWD. wouldn't that instantly yield waaaaay faster acceleration?

Quoted from pezpunk:

It's also almost impossible to launch effectively.

Quoted from crlush:

bad ass car hopefully it helps drive down the price of a used hellcat.

Quoted from gweempose:

I'm not just making this shit up. Motor Trend clocked a bone stock P100D at 2.28 seconds:
https://techcrunch.com/2017/02/07/tesla-model-s-p100d-scores-2-28-second-0-60-mph-time-in-new-motor-trend-test/