Ok, so then that makes my 2nd test black top right terminal and red bottom right terminal, instead of the way I just mentioned. Adios' 1st pic must be how the holder is wired internally.
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Quoted from Adios:Connector off batteries in holder
Just did the test on DC 20 volts and got nothing with connector off
At first glance, I'm thinking that battery holder is wired completely wrong. Since he got 3.2v at those test points, it's probably only reading the 2 top batteries. Which would mean that negative would be at the left of the bottom battery and positive would be at the right of the top battery. How that 9v connector is attached would give you nothing.
The pad that connects the wires to the battery holder may be bad .... ive seen that happen. Id clip the wires and solder them directly to the positive and negative of the battery holder to rule it out ....plus its a weak spot in the chain. Also there is probably a break i under the heat shrink that someone connected to that plug.
Quoted from RobertWinter:At first glance, I'm thinking that battery holder is wired completely wrong. Since he got 3.2v at those test points, it's probably only reading the 2 top batteries. Which would mean that negative would be at the left of the bottom battery and positive would be at the right of the top battery. How that 9v connector is attached would give you nothing.
I was thinking the same thing..
I'm thinking the battery holder is internally wired like this (crude ASCII drawing, dashed lines are where batteries would be)
+ ---------
>
---------
<
--------- current 9v connector
>
- --------- current 9v connector
(edit - drawing is not working as I had hoped)
Quoted from bigd1979:The pad that connects the wires to the battery holder may be bad .... ive seen that happen. Id clip the wires and solder them directly to the positive and negative of the battery holder to rule it out ....plus its a weak spot in the chain. Also there is probably a break i under the heat shrink that someone connected to that plug.
He said he had continuity from the board to pad terminals. It's the holder that's not adding up.
When I bought the machine it has some issues so I left it in a shop to get those issues fixed. I told the guy to put the holder on the cabinet. That was 3 months ago
Quoted from bigd1979:The pad that connects the wires to the battery holder may be bad .... ive seen that happen. Id clip the wires and solder them directly to the positive and negative of the battery holder to rule it out ....plus its a weak spot in the chain. Also there is probably a break i under the heat shrink that someone connected to that plug.
Do yoi think just buying a new holder will do the trick?
Quoted from Adios:He said he had continuity from the board to pad terminals. It's the holder that's not adding up.
O ok I helped in the beginning but skipped the middle of the thread lol.... easiest thing to do is get a new holder and solder the wires to the board at this point
Quoted from RobertWinter:Try this test if you can, just to verify what I'm thinking.
test_(resized).jpg
Black lead where? Red lead where?
If the above test gives you 4.5v, the holder is fine and the person that installed it just wired it incorrectly.
Quoted from KornFreak28:Black lead where? Red lead where?
Black lead bottom left, red lead upper right.
Quoted from RobertWinter:Try this test if you can, just to verify what I'm thinking.
test_(resized).jpg
Got 4.6
Quoted from bigd1979:O ok I helped in the beginning but skipped the middle of the thread lol.... easiest thing to do is get a new holder and solder the wires to the board at this point
Lol..I'm feeling that too! It looks like he got some soldering to do no matter what.
Quoted from Adios:Lol..I'm feeling that too! It looks like he got some soldering to do no matter what.
Can I keep the same wires and just get a new holder?
Yup. The person who installed it wired it wrong.
The black wire should go on the left of the bottom battery and the red to the right of the top battery.
Quoted from KornFreak28:Can I keep the same wires and just get a new holder?
Yes if you would like, you can save this one like RobertWinter said. Or you can order a 3 battery holder and replace it if you feel you can't solder the wire.
Quoted from RobertWinter:Yup. The person who installed it wired it wrong.
The black wire should go on the left of the bottom battery and the red to the right of the top battery.
But I thought it worked before this incident?
Quoted from Adios:If you have no soldering experience I would not recommend soldering the new holder to the board.
Agreed. But he could try to move those two wires on the holder.
Quoted from RobertWinter:Moving the two wires should fix the problem. Even with a new holder, there's soldering involved.
True.. He could always snip and attach new holder wire to wire before shrink wrap.. Depends on OP's skill and confidence level.
Quoted from Adios:If you have no soldering experience I would not recommend soldering the new holder to the board.
So can I just buy the new holder?
Quoted from Adios:True.. He could always snip and attach wire to wire before shrink wrap.. Depends on OP's skill and confidence level.
So how do i do this?
Quoted from KornFreak28:So how do i do this?
Can you solder? Or have you ever soldered before?
Quoted from RobertWinter:Moving the two wires should fix the problem. Even with a new holder, there's soldering involved.
Can you tell me which two wires I should move?
Quoted from KornFreak28:Will a new holder fix this without soldering and keeping the same wires?
You still need to connect the wires together. Soldering the wires together and then heat shrinking over it would be best. You can use crimp on connectors as a last and desperate resort (if you aren't confident in soldering) but I wouldn't recommend it.
Quoted from RobertWinter:Remove that 9v connector or just cut the red and black wires. Then solder them to the locations shown by the black and red arrows.
The yellow lines just show how the battery holder is internally wired.fix_(resized).jpg
Where does the black go and the red go?
Quoted from KornFreak28:Can you tell me which two wires I should move?
He has them marked in the picture red arrow positive. black arrow negative. Post #129
Quoted from Adios:You still need to connect the wires together. Soldering the wires together and then heat shrinking over it would be best. You can use crimp on connectors as a last and desperate resort (if you aren't confident in soldering) but I wouldn't recommend it.
Please tell me which wires. The wires going to the holder connnector? Where do I solder the black and where do i solder the red?
Quoted from KornFreak28:So even with a new connector I have to solder the wires right?
But why? Are they wired incorrectly?
If you buy a new holder you have to solder the leads of the new holder to the wires that you cut to remove the old holder. Or you can cut out the 9v pad and wire the leads to the points that RobertWinter marked up in the picture. The choice is yours.
Quoted from Adios:If you buy a new holder you have to solder the leads of the new holder to the wires that you cut to remove the old holder. Or you can cut out the 9v pad and wire the leads to the points that RobertWinter marked up in the picture. The choice is yours.
But I don't have to cut any wires. The holder is screwed to the cabinet and its just a matter of removing the 9v pad.
Why do I have to solder anything? Can't I just use the existing wires and 9v pad?
Quoted from KornFreak28:But I don't have to cut any wires. The holder is screwed to the cabinet and its just a matter of removing the 9v pad.
Why do I have to solder anything? Can't I just use the existing wires and 9v pad?
If you can find a 3AA holder that's wired for 9v pad then you swap it out with cutting or soldering anything.
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