Because it's no A title? That'd be my guess.

I don't think anyone hates these machine at a point than even if it was the only machine in existence in the world they would not play it. We like pinball too much. but a good old fashion bashing is very healty sometimes. Just for fun. All these machines have something going on for them. Only Funhouse is bad......cause of that creepy dummy

Couldn't agree more, and is pretty much what I was saying earlier in the thread. It's all relative though.

Maybe they should put a big object in the middle like a spaceship.

Just messing with you. Many of these games are either you love it or hate it.

I've had my TZ a little over 3 years now, and I consider it a cornerstone of my collection. It hasn't been getting a ton of play lately because I picked up three new Sterns in the last year. This thread actually got me to walk up to it tonight to give it a play for $hit$ and giggles. Three extra balls won, Lost In the Zone, (only the second time ever for me), and over 1 Billion score. Yup, still phawking awesome! imho

Of all the "A" list games TZ and TAF were the easiest for me to beat.
I enjoy both games, but my last two TZ's were a maintenance headache.

STTNG, CFTBL, LOTR, TOTAN ( which my son loves), MB - Don't hate, just not my A-list - would walk right by all of them to play CP, which is why Baskin Robbins sells more than vanilla!

I like the game.... but because I think its overrated and there are other games I would much rather play and pay less for.....MM.

Tron and STTNG. Terrible games

AFM, MB, MM you name it. Plenty on that A list that don't deserve to be there. THey arn't horrible games, but they are so shallow, or easy, or empty, they should be priced in the C list range. AFM because the game is an empty playfield with flippers, and shallow rules. MM because of the daunting rules and boring ass fan pattern layout. And MB because it's so damn easy you'll finish everything it has to offer in about 3 games. 3rd time i've played MB ever in my life, I got monsters of rock twice in the same game. Yea, they are cute and have cute jokes, but when it fades off, and you rely on gameplay and diverse rules to keep you going, they fail badly.

TOTAN

Simpsons doh doh doh and the creepy homer head wasting space

Scared Stiff

TSPP for sure. I HAD to have that game and love The Simpsons....couldn't wait to get rid of it.

TZ didn't really do anything for me either...cool game, but not that cool.

CFTBL.....does nothin for me.

AFM.
Sooo contrived. That whole "shoot to hear a quote" style of gameplay doesnt do it for me, I understand that it sells a lot of games though and is great for people new to the game.

Whilst I think MM has funny dialogue, AFM isn't funny at all.
Theres a ton of games at half the price that I think offer so much more.

But, opinionz obviously, and I'm not trying to take away from anyone else's

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I've owned and sold TZ, CV, TAF and have no desire to bring any of them back into my collection. I've actually owned and sold TZ twice! Thought I was wrong about it the first time and then realized I was actually right!

I'm always right.

I thought I was wrong once, but I was wrong.

CV and Tron....snore...

So why didn't you take home some loot a PAPA last year?

Snap.

because MB wasn't in my lineup.

Ultimately you could say this about any pin in a small collection.

All the over priced "A" list titles. Paying over about $2500 for ANY pinball machine just doesn't make any sense when there are 100 or more great titles that can be purchased for under $2500.

I don't care who you are or what you like NO ONE can tell me buying a MM for $15,000 will give you 6 to 8 times the enjoyment of owning 6 to 8 "B" list titles.

Money guys driving up the price of a dozen or so "A" list titles don't make them worth the prices people are paying for them. Dollar per Dollar MOST "B & C" list titles are a better deal and will yield better return over the long run when you are ready to sell.

ones I'm not a fan of... fish tales, theatre of magic, totan, cirqv...

TSPP, just feels like work. Love the show, hate the pin.

Also have a really hard time getting into TAF. I WANT to like it, I just don't.

Totan? Not my favorite. Tz rocks.

Cactus Canyon, by a wide margin. It is the worst bang for your buck pin out there and I can't believe what people pay for it.

ANY John Popaduik game. ToM is boring as hell, CV is WAY too easy and a lot of you know, TOTAN is one of my all time hated games. I took a $400 loss on it to get it the Hell out of my house.
Great artwork, decent themes, but the shots and the rules feel like it has training wheels on it and meant for newbie players.
I've own all 3 and spent lots of time on them so don't try to convince me otherwise.

Worst designer IMHO and people that are dumping $15K or whatever for one of his imaginary games should seek professional help.

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I hate The SHadow...I would almost rather play Raven...Just a chore to play. STTNG is a drain monster, and all the fanfare for LOTR's...I think it's the ugliest modern pin, although I have never seen the movie...so it might make a difference.

My least favorite is CFTBL. Then TOM.

I like most others these just do not do it for me at all. CFTBL I wish had more depth. TOM just is not exciting to me and gets stale after long ball times.

I'm not sure if many people consider these A listers anyway - more long solid B lister games; both have experienced price increases in the past 18 months, maybe they are A lister's now . . . but that would only be recent.

AFM & TOTAN. Both suck.

AFM had been a wish list game for me for years. That ended at the TPF this year and I don't really know why; the examples of it that were there were all very nice examples. Just for some reason the itch I had for that game just all the sudden didn't need to be scratched any more. I think it was I decided I wanted a RFM more than an AFM.

and it's true. No matter what game you own. If it's your only game, or one of 2, it's going to get old. Only option that never gets old, is the virtual pinball. That never gets old because you have 100's of machines on it. Great alternative when your out of space.

JimJim - Exactly. There is a big spaceship there to hit again and again and again and again and again and again. When should I try one of those "loopy" shots. As always, to each his own. Just not for me... especially at 7K+

Sounds like the USA

I hear you, although I really *want* to like this game - I think it looks awesome, and the music & sounds are great. It's just such a clunker though.

If I had space for half a dozen more machines though, I would probably pick one up - it looks great, and my wife and I both love the movies...

+1.