I don't think anyone hates these machine at a point than even if it was the only machine in existence in the world they would not play it. We like pinball too much. but a good old fashion bashing is very healty sometimes. Just for fun. All these machines have something going on for them. Only Funhouse is bad......cause of that creepy dummy
Quoted from Mr68:
For the record I don't hate TZ. Its not my favorite and I can take it or leave it.
I was more making a comment on other game critics that greatly exaggerate their dislike of a title. They will bash certain titles repeatedly and at any opportunity seemingly bewildered as to how anyone could possible like it. *groan*
How anyone can "hate" any game is beyond me. But then I do have birthing hips so...
Couldn't agree more, and is pretty much what I was saying earlier in the thread. It's all relative though.
I've had my TZ a little over 3 years now, and I consider it a cornerstone of my collection. It hasn't been getting a ton of play lately because I picked up three new Sterns in the last year. This thread actually got me to walk up to it tonight to give it a play for $hit$ and giggles. Three extra balls won, Lost In the Zone, (only the second time ever for me), and over 1 Billion score. Yup, still phawking awesome! imho
AFM, MB, MM you name it. Plenty on that A list that don't deserve to be there. THey arn't horrible games, but they are so shallow, or easy, or empty, they should be priced in the C list range. AFM because the game is an empty playfield with flippers, and shallow rules. MM because of the daunting rules and boring ass fan pattern layout. And MB because it's so damn easy you'll finish everything it has to offer in about 3 games. 3rd time i've played MB ever in my life, I got monsters of rock twice in the same game. Yea, they are cute and have cute jokes, but when it fades off, and you rely on gameplay and diverse rules to keep you going, they fail badly.
Sooo contrived. That whole "shoot to hear a quote" style of gameplay doesnt do it for me, I understand that it sells a lot of games though and is great for people new to the game.
But, opinionz obviously, and I'm not trying to take away from anyone else's
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All the over priced "A" list titles. Paying over about $2500 for ANY pinball machine just doesn't make any sense when there are 100 or more great titles that can be purchased for under $2500.
I don't care who you are or what you like NO ONE can tell me buying a MM for $15,000 will give you 6 to 8 times the enjoyment of owning 6 to 8 "B" list titles.
Money guys driving up the price of a dozen or so "A" list titles don't make them worth the prices people are paying for them. Dollar per Dollar MOST "B & C" list titles are a better deal and will yield better return over the long run when you are ready to sell.
ANY John Popaduik game. ToM is boring as hell, CV is WAY too easy and a lot of you know, TOTAN is one of my all time hated games. I took a $400 loss on it to get it the Hell out of my house.
Great artwork, decent themes, but the shots and the rules feel like it has training wheels on it and meant for newbie players.
I've own all 3 and spent lots of time on them so don't try to convince me otherwise.
Worst designer IMHO and people that are dumping $15K or whatever for one of his imaginary games should seek professional help.
I'm not sure if many people consider these A listers anyway - more long solid B lister games; both have experienced price increases in the past 18 months, maybe they are A lister's now . . . but that would only be recent.
AFM had been a wish list game for me for years. That ended at the TPF this year and I don't really know why; the examples of it that were there were all very nice examples. Just for some reason the itch I had for that game just all the sudden didn't need to be scratched any more. I think it was I decided I wanted a RFM more than an AFM.
Quoted from Honch:
Ultimately you could say this about any pin in a small collection.
and it's true. No matter what game you own. If it's your only game, or one of 2, it's going to get old. Only option that never gets old, is the virtual pinball. That never gets old because you have 100's of machines on it. Great alternative when your out of space.
JimJim - Exactly. There is a big spaceship there to hit again and again and again and again and again and again. When should I try one of those "loopy" shots. As always, to each his own. Just not for me... especially at 7K+
I hear you, although I really *want* to like this game - I think it looks awesome, and the music & sounds are great. It's just such a clunker though.
If I had space for half a dozen more machines though, I would probably pick one up - it looks great, and my wife and I both love the movies...
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