Overland Park, KS
I am two years late to the party, but this is awesome! Following this to conclusion!
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Yeah I think that script is a little off now that I look at it. Oh well, the yardstick was what I was referencing.
Probably gonna watch it this weekend, that’s a twice a year movie for me.
Quoted from atum:I am two years late to the party, but this is awesome! Following this to conclusion!
Better late than never, welcome!!
Quoted from mrm_4:Yeah I think that script is a little off now that I look at it. Oh well, the yardstick was what I was referencing.
Probably gonna watch it this weekend, that’s a twice a year movie for me.
Damn, that’s def more than me although I watched it prob 20 times a bit after it was out on dvd and then quite a few after that through the years
Started off tonight with trying to get this little 5” lcd to work. This is **supposed to Show the feed from the webcam, looking at the lower playfield. 12v hooked up, plugged in to computer .. and just flickers. Messed with it a while in settings, and no dice. Giving up. Going to find a 7” lcd with better res. That hopefully works.
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On to trying to get MPF reverted back to a version that worked. An hour there, no dice. Old installs giving me grief. Frustrating.
On to a couple GI strings on left side and call it a night. Oh.. and meanwhile this was Test printing — model courtesy of toyotaboy .. the sculpture from the movie they blow off its mount to smash the franchise coffee bar. When gold filament arrives I will reprint and detail the indentations in black.
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Well mostly irritating evening progress wise, so a little whiskey to sooth the soul ha! Cheers, have a good night ya’ll.
Quoted from Mbecker:meanwhile this was Test printing — model courtesy of toyotaboy .. the sculpture from the movie they blow off its mount to smash the franchise coffee bar. When gold filament arrives I will reprint and detail the indentations in black.
you actually don't want to print in gold.. it'll just end up tan. You want to print in white or black, then spray paint metallic gold. Trust me
wonkavator (resized).pngUninstalled everything python, deleted folders.. reinstalled fresh annnddd...
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No dice. Still broken. I don’t know what to do at this point, but batting the ball around by hand will get old fast. Fortunately I can still test lights switches and coils w/out mpf so I can slog ahead for now.
In mean time, designed my first prototype part — GI light bracket.
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Still tweaking but it works good... this one was modified with the grinder 
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Yeah — tab down worked, still had a shelf. But the shelf could be cleaner inside... I want to try it filleted on the edge - it should be able to print cleanly that was I think rather than abruptly changing diameters 2mm.
No luck on mpf today, but given that I need to get win10 anyways, thinking about just picking up a new (used) dev laptop and starting fresh.
Just about done stringing GI lights though..
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3D printer is giving me grief with stringy crap on prints, been trying to adjust settings to no avail.
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Quoted from Mbecker:I need to get win10 anyways, thinking about just picking up a new (used) dev laptop and starting fresh.
you can get an OEM copy of windows 10 for $25 on ebay. I debated the same thing when windows 7 lost update support.
I was wondering about those $25 copies.. saw them but they sounded slightly sketchy. But the other part of the equation is mpf and being stuck in the mud with that, and I’m having trouble getting my 7” monitor to work thru the vga port on the laptop. Will prob debate it a bit more.
Dude, that sign looks so good with the lighting!!! I’ve got the el wire working so together those should look amazing!!!
Switched slicers and cura is doing a much better job with initial settings — ok to print a mass of these BEA833A3-15A3-4E44-9154-17A184E6B54A (resized).jpeg
Mpf is back up and running thanks to some assistance from Wolfmarsh — so nice to have that running again!
Coded in all the GI lights, and got them running during a game.E6D05E99-20A8-4EB6-84AA-3914D9908AF1 (resized).jpeg1CCD2805-9142-4A2C-B523-5B81CB594669 (resized).jpeg
GI test, trying some effects tied to Switches:
exciting stuff in the mail- should be doing some testing by Saturday.
7” lcd displaying lower playfield. Testing coming up to determine feasibility and then placement/orientation in comparison to inserts ..
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Thinking about a vertical portrait orientation but I’m not sure that’s the best.. I have some ideas about a dual input that switches Between displaying The lower pf (when active) and scoring / few animations during normal play plus random 1 frame Tyler snippets. Not sure if I can handle the switching in software or via a board driver or something physical (servo switch?)
Got distracted with inserts for a while.. thinking about fit vs lcd. 5” lcd arrived today, I like the fit better but it will come down to playability probably.
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12 hours to print a spool for this filament to size it down to the shaft it spins on. Coulda cut some wood but this was more fun.. now that it’s done, 10 hour overnight print for something to try tomorrow ..
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2 weeks later
Couple updates from last 2 weeks.. first off been doing a lot of printing.. brackets, inserts, etc.. the inserts are for layout testing but I will use them hopefully this round on this proto playfield to save costs.. they work well enough.
Working on subways and buildings, haven’t printed any yet.
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Also wiring the mini-playfield. Started going amigo style with my old JY harness, scavenging for the banded color wires.
Also spent some time going thru all my docs and ideas and made up a binder. Super helpful for wiring and keeping track of ideas and such.
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I am obviously biased, but I think this thing is pretty packed and is super fun to play even w/out lights, art, sound, points, etc lol. Hope to grab a video tomorrow, and test play thru a 5” and 7” LCD to see feasibility.
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I know it’s all your fault!! Hahaha I enjoying it way more than I thought I would.. the modeling takes time but is so rewarding to print something to meets its requirements and fills a need. I have a list of stuff waiting to model — got a paper design for doors for lous tavern I am excited to model and print for 1.
Lower pf, finally testing LCD’s — first, just a video of lower pf Play:
Then, thru 7” lcd:
The 5” I need a different hdmi cord to test. Likely going with 5”, just fits better and closer between slings. Alternatively it does appear to fit centered in apron but I’m not sold on that
Quoted from Mbecker:Lower pf, finally testing LCD’s — first, just a video of lower pf Play:
Then, thru 7” lcd:
The 5” I need a different hdmi cord to test. Likely going with 5”, just fits better and closer between slings. Alternatively it does appear to fit centered in apron but I’m not sold on that
You aren't going to get the latency close with that setup.
You'll need a cmos ( analogue ) camera and a composite ' in' on the monitor.
over 5 millli seconds of delay and it's unplayable, the ball is past the flipper before you react.
I went thru several monitors and the latency on hdmi /vga monitors is anywhere between 5 - 40 ms delay.
A digital camera is even worse.
You only have to wave your hand in front of your smart phone camera to see this in action.
This is played from the monitor
Quoted from kaboom:You aren't going to get the latency close with that setup.
You'll need a cmos ( analogue ) camera and a composite ' in' on the monitor.
over 5 millli seconds of delay and it's unplayable, the ball is past the flipper before you react.
I went thru several monitors and the latency on hdmi /vga monitors is anywhere between 5 - 40 ms delay.
A digital camera is even worse.
You only have to wave your hand in front of your smart phone camera to see this in action.
This is played from the monitor
Ah good, glad you chimed in - I know you had messed with it quite a bit. So ditch the web camera and go direct into the monitor ? Curious if you had link or specs to what you used? Latency wasn’t great with this setup but was playable. Would love to get get it down for sure
Quoted from Mbecker:Ah good, glad you chimed in - I know you had messed with it quite a bit. So ditch the web camera and go direct into the monitor ? Curious if you had link or specs to what you used? Latency wasn’t great with this setup but was playable. Would love to get get it down for sure
For what you're doing a simple 12 volt automotive monitor and a reversing camera .
They usually have dual channels av1 av2 (& hdmi in some larger units ) a switch line or signal sense
to flip the input displayed.
The hdmi could be general animations and the composite in for realtime video
Quoted from kaboom:For what you're doing a simple 12 volt automotive monitor and a reversing camera .
They usually have dual channels av1 av2 (& hdmi in some larger units ) a switch line or signal sense
to flip the input displayed.
The hdmi could be general animations and the composite in for realtime video
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Thank you!! Definitely appreciate this guidance - that makes sense to skip the computer altogether, and digital cameras— hadn’t even considered it. I’ve been trying to think thru how to dual use the monitor for the lower pf when in use and player score,etc other times — if you have 2 inputs into the monitor how do you select one or the other in real time?
I’ve been thinking about a dual input single out selectable a/b sort of splitter box but it would be mechanical and require a servo .. know there must be a better solution
Working from home mostly now so lots of time to babysit the printer..
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Here’s the placeholder it’s replacing — big improvement, hey?
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Added in Clear insert of windows. It will be lit from inside with 3 rgb GI lights, and something special to do the burning happy face windows from the film.
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Quoted from Mbecker:Thank you!! Definitely appreciate this guidance - that makes sense to skip the computer altogether, and digital cameras— hadn’t even considered it. I’ve been trying to think thru how to dual use the monitor for the lower pf when in use and player score,etc other times — if you have 2 inputs into the monitor how do you select one or the other in real time?
I’ve been thinking about a dual input single out selectable a/b sort of splitter box but it would be mechanical and require a servo .. know there must be a better solution
The monitors have signal sense on channel 2 or a switched +/- in - you would normally hook up to your reversing switch / light
& always reverts back to channel 1
Make a nice fireproof enclosure. Never worry about watching the printer again. All steel and tempered glass. I also have a dry chemical extinguisher on top. It’s temperature controlled and uses a low speed fan with attic fan controller
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& always reverts back to channel 1
Perfect— thanks!
hoby1 thats quite the containment system !! I love it, but if I start in in that I’ll never get this pinball done - gotta stay focused for now
part of my babysitting is just making sure it’s not f’ing up the prints 2 hours in so at 5 or 6 hours I’m happy with what came out but yeah- the other part is certainly a fire concern
Quoted from Mbecker:Perfect— thanks!
hoby1 thats quite the containment system !! I love it, but if I start in in that I’ll never get this pinball done - gotta stay focused for now part of my babysitting is just making sure it’s not f’ing up the prints 2 hours in so at 5 or 6 hours I’m happy with what came out but yeah- the other part is certainly a fire concern
Your doing an amazing job my friend .... Keep up the GREAT work !!!
3 GI lights, can get kinda cool lighting on the bldg. 65C8EDC0-9638-4A1F-B6CA-D80E482EDA35 (resized).jpeg
Printed a light cap for the smiley part of the face — this is one option, would like it a little brighter so I’m going to try a laser pointer but could pair two lights in this or something too65D7CFF6-8A22-4973-B4EA-8A090473E4F2 (resized).jpeg
Decided to tackle one of the most difficult models.. the house... hours in so far, lots left to do. Several gi will light it from the inside and it’s hiding an integrated switch bracket for the wireform and routes thru it. Led light over the porch
Build it new first, undetailed for fit.. then go back and add a few things. It needed some adjustments from the original house in the movie in order to get balls up the porch. In the end, it may come down to replacing the motorized 2bank for a smart drop like afm.. it would certainly fit better but I’m not positive I want to go that route.
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We shall see.. I think once printed you won’t notice.. esp as it just one detail and building of many. The issue is that even if I go the single drop route, the shot would be super tight if I shrink the porch. Planning on doing a print soon just to get an idea how things are looking though
Quoted from Mbecker:Decided to tackle one of the most difficult models.. the house... hours in so far, lots left to do. Several gi will light it from the inside and it’s hiding an integrated switch bracket for the wireform and routes thru it. Led light over the porch
I don't know if you own that house, or you're just squatting. Neither would surprise me
1 week later
1 week later
Lot of work last 3 weeks, just not a lot of visible progress.. spent a week modeling and remodeling tavern doors and fitting a bracket with bearings for it. Still not quite there, but very close. Working on the best solution to keep the doors closed (except when hit). Lots of iterations and printing..
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Meanwhile testing fitting house base. It’s tight as hell, and requires some cuts to get it in. More modeling to come there. But improvements in going from this:
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To this:
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Been wiring lately, switches getting hooked up and few last coils. Will be short on coil drivers so likely another FAST board for that. Wiring just keeps turning into more of a rats nest. I don’t want to sort it until I’m more finalized and know exact lengths I’ll need to reach the boards, which I’m planning on keeping in the bottom of the cab right now.
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Trying pink zip ties for fun. I think final wiring will be neat and tight with pink and black
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Made a decision to scrap the motorized 2x target bank I hacked together for a smart drop. If it sucks I can always go back and 3D print an official 2x bank. It fits much cleaner though. 754246D1-A231-4472-A1AD-A67F0C446CA0 (resized).jpeg7EACF769-D87E-46C0-9268-F075480086B3 (resized).jpeg
Quoted from dirkdiggler:Living on the edge with your drink location? Lol
$2000 coaster
Quoted from dudah:$2000 coaster
Haaaa yeah fair, over the fast boards below prob isn’t the best, but they are at least shielded from above with a piece of plexi. But it fits in there so conveniently lol. I might rethink this location,that’s a good point.
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