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The Firepower Club

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#4151 3 months ago
Quoted from Schwaggs:

Can’t really tell from that picture. It’s really bad. There are some plastics that are often broken that I can’t see in that picture. Normal wear spots on the PF near the slings and lower inserts look good.
The pop lights might not be bad. They are controlled lights and turn on and off in attract mode.

Yeah.. playfield pic with the glass off, please, seller..

Richard

#4152 3 months ago
Quoted from craif:

It's gonna be awhile before it actually plays but excited to join the club nonetheless.
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3 months later...

Every single board needed work. Some more than others. MPU/Driver not 100% yet. I found an alternate OEM pair in the interim. Haven't even started on the playfield and cab yet...

But...

It lives.

#4153 3 months ago
Quoted from craif:

3 months later...
Every single board needed work. Some more than others. MPU/Driver not 100% yet. I found an alternate OEM pair in the interim. Haven't even started on the playfield and cab yet...
But...
It lives.

That’s awesome! Throw a ball in there, worlds first firepower pachinko machine

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#4154 84 days ago
Quoted from mrm_4:

That’s interesting guys, mine sits dead center. Same measurements as my original. [quoted image]

what kind of displays did you use for yours ?
the red displays look good.

#4155 84 days ago
Quoted from Matthew2015:

what kind of displays did you use for yours ?
the red displays look good.

The wolff pac kit! Love them.

https://www.wolffpactech.com/product-page/williams-system-3-6-display-kit-red-digits

#4156 84 days ago

I’ll 2nd that. They really look great and are priced right!

#4157 83 days ago

After batting a few balls around the obstacle course of cupped inserts on this playfield and stripping the hardware to get a closer look at the wear and nicotine stains I've decided it's only possible future is as a backing for a hardtop.

Before I commit to that anyone have any thoughts on the availability/expense on a serviceable used playfield these days? The only recent ad for one was way better than mine and half the cost of a hardtop but had wear down to the wood dead center. I can touch up simpler areas and replace inserts but trying to repaint the center pattern seems like an VIP pass to the horror thread.

#4158 83 days ago
Quoted from craif:

I can touch up simpler areas and replace inserts but trying to repaint the center pattern seems like an VIP pass to the horror thread.

That depends on if you *HAVE* to have the planet area 100% correct to the original. It's actually one of the easier busy areas to touch up on a game as long as you match the colors correctly - it's so busy that yeah, if you went close up comparison next to an original, you'd spot differences, but from playing position you'd never notice, and it looks good.

You're going to have to flatten the inserts anyway if you hardtop it, which of course is easier since you can just sand away. I don't know if scratches in the inserts show through on a hardtop though.

#4159 83 days ago
Quoted from craif:

After batting a few balls around the obstacle course of cupped inserts on this playfield and stripping the hardware to get a closer look at the wear and nicotine stains I've decided it's only possible future is as a backing for a hardtop.
Before I commit to that anyone have any thoughts on the availability/expense on a serviceable used playfield these days? The only recent ad for one was way better than mine and half the cost of a hardtop but had wear down to the wood dead center. I can touch up simpler areas and replace inserts but trying to repaint the center pattern seems like an VIP pass to the horror thread.

It's easier to do hardtop than a playfield swap. You don't have to remove everything off the back of the playfield. Mine turned out great and was not as hard as you make it out to be.

#4160 83 days ago
Quoted from kciaccio:

It's easier to do hardtop than a playfield swap. You don't have to remove everything off the back of the playfield. Mine turned out great and was not as hard as you make it out to be.

Unfortunately I have to remove everything anyway. Best I can tell whoever owned the machine for most of its 40 odd years was a lifetime achievement award recipient from Phillip Morris.

The playfield components/electric are near 100% complete/working but all coated inside and out in a mix of ash and resin that releases fumes and dust whenever a part moves or gets warm. Before it comes in from the garage everything not being replaced entirely will get some combination of disassembly, cleaning, painting and tumbling.

The first time I started stripping the underside l had a dust mask on and was lightheaded after 30 minutes. Second pass was a full respirator and latex gloves.

At least I'll have a good war story when it's done.

#4161 83 days ago
Quoted from craif:

Unfortunately I have to remove everything anyway. Best I can tell whoever owned the machine for most of its 40 odd years was a lifetime achievement award recipient from Phillip Morris.
The playfield components/electric are near 100% complete/working but all coated inside and out in a mix ash and resin that releases fumes and dust whenever a part moves or gets warm. Before it comes in from the garage everything not being replaced entirely will get some combination of disassembly, cleaning, painting and tumbling.
The first time I started stripping the underside l had a dust mask on and was lightheaded after 30 minutes. Second pass was a full respirator and latex gloves.
At least I'll have a good war story when it's done.

The harder the job the more rewarding in the end.
After each one I say never again and then a year later I have the itch to do it again. Lol

#4162 83 days ago
Quoted from craif:

Unfortunately I have to remove everything anyway. Best I can tell whoever owned the machine for most of its 40 odd years was a lifetime achievement award recipient from Phillip Morris.
The playfield components/electric are near 100% complete/working but all coated inside and out in a mix of ash and resin that releases fumes and dust whenever a part moves or gets warm. Before it comes in from the garage everything not being replaced entirely will get some combination of disassembly, cleaning, painting and tumbling.
The first time I started stripping the underside l had a dust mask on and was lightheaded after 30 minutes. Second pass was a full respirator and latex gloves.
At least I'll have a good war story when it's done.

That's crazy! All that said, I'd probably hit the whole playflield with a rattle can coat of clear.

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#4163 72 days ago

A bill heatherly firepower restoration going on now.

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#4164 69 days ago
Quoted from d0n:

A bill heatherly firepower restoration going on now. [quoted image][quoted image][quoted image][quoted image][quoted image][quoted image][quoted image]

Paint job looks great.

#4165 69 days ago

What is the height of the post that supports the spinner on the upper left? Are there supposed to be any washers, etc on that post? If anyone has reference photos on hoe that area is supposed to look that would help. Thank you!

#4166 68 days ago

I measure about 1 1/16”. No washer. Here’s pics from my machine.

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#4167 68 days ago

I should add the screw has a shoulder on it

#4168 68 days ago
Quoted from Billc479:

I measure about 1 1/16”. No washer. Here’s pics from my machine.
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Thank you!

#4169 65 days ago

Finally get to join the club after casually looking for a Firepower for over 3 years here in the UK

When I went to see the machine the seller hadn't turned it on for a couple of years, the top right eject hole was firing on boot and there was some funky stuff happening in game. Some CPU controlled lights were out on the back box and it wasn't saving settings.

I've had it home for a couple of weeks and all of these issues have been ironed out. 'Not saving settings' was just a dead CR2430 battery on the Rottendog MPU, the right eject that was firing at boot and the other funky goings on was just a coin switch that was stuck closed and the lights in the back box was just a wire that had become disconnected so it was soldered back in place.

LED's in the GI above playfield and incandescent under inserts and in the back box. I will make sure to swap out the incandescent bulbs in the back box for LED's (That is a given to protect that artwork) I haven't yet decided whether to go LED on the inserts or not. I do like having brighter inserts but feel you do loose that nice sweeping motion you get in attract mode that you get with incandescent.

Overall a nice honest Firepower in above average condition I would say. Chuffed with it.

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#4170 65 days ago
Quoted from acidburn:

Finally get to join the club after casually looking for a Firepower for over 3 years here in the UK
When I went to see the machine the seller hadn't turned it on for a couple of years, the top right eject hole was firing on boot and there was some funky stuff happening in game. Some CPU controlled lights were out on the back box and it wasn't saving settings.
I've had it home for a couple of weeks and all of these issues have been ironed out. 'Not saving settings' was just a dead CR2430 battery on the Rottendog MPU, the right eject that was firing at boot and the other funky goings on was just a coin switch that was stuck closed and the lights in the back box was just a wire that had become disconnected so it was soldered back in place.
LED's in the GI above playfield and incandescent under inserts and in the back box. I will make sure to swap out the incandescent bulbs in the back box for LED's (That is a given to protect that artwork) I haven't yet decided whether to go LED on the inserts or not. I do like having brighter inserts but feel you do loose that nice sweeping motion you get in attract mode that you get with incandescent.
Overall a nice honest Firepower in above average condition I would say. Chuffed with it.[quoted image][quoted image][quoted image][quoted image][quoted image][quoted image][quoted image][quoted image][quoted image]

Looks good, Welcome to the club.

#4171 59 days ago

Bill Heatherly resto progressing

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#4172 58 days ago
Quoted from d0n:

Bill Heatherly resto progressing
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Who is Bill Heatherly? Is this a before or an after of the playfield?

#4173 58 days ago
Quoted from d0n:

Bill Heatherly resto progressing
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That came off really cleanly. Do you know what removal method they used?

#4174 58 days ago
Quoted from mrm_4:

Who is Bill Heatherly? Is this a before or an after of the playfield?

He's sort of like HEP but he does arcade games, stop lights, gas pumps and many other vintage things too. His restorations are top notch. He's doing this firepower for us now.

https://www.facebook.com/arcadeartifacts

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#4175 58 days ago
Quoted from BriPin:

That came off really cleanly. Do you know what removal method they used?

Sorry I do not.

#4176 52 days ago

Just picked up a Firepower this week. Loving this game play and sounds.

#4177 51 days ago

Has anyone put a playfield protector on? Mine has inserts that affect game play and this seems to be a reasonable solution.

#4178 51 days ago
Quoted from sullivcd40:

Has anyone put a playfield protector on? Mine has inserts that affect game play and this seems to be a reasonable solution.

I have one on mine. Works good for me.

#4179 51 days ago

Did you buy it from playfield-protectors.com? It seems like the best solution if you're not going to clearcoat or install a reproduction playfield if you have a playfield with raised or cupped inserts. The criticism I am reading most is that you can't hear the ball with one on which isn't a big deal to me. They also look really good from the pictures I've seen.

#4180 51 days ago

I got mine from Cointaker. Yes I did it because of cupped inserts. It is better than playing on cupped or raised inserts.

#4181 51 days ago
Quoted from craif:

3 months later...
Every single board needed work. Some more than others. MPU/Driver not 100% yet. I found an alternate OEM pair in the interim. Haven't even started on the playfield and cab yet...
But...
It lives.

After finishing the boards on my Firepower I spent the last month waiting to see if I'd find anything useful at pinfest before I order a hardtop and the other missing parts to finish the restore. Had a great time at the show but wasn't having much luck finding anything major for the Firepower. Before I rolled out I took a final lap through the flea market hoping to spot anything I missed on the first go round and peeking out from under a stack of salvage playfields a familiar color scheme caught my eye.

Behold this... uh... beautiful example... of a Firepower 2 playfield. It was cheap so I grabbed it to use as a parts farm since they have so much overlap.

But now looking at it sitting there in my Firepower cab I can't help but think things like "Well.... some of the mechs are missing but the wiring harness seems intact... I know I've seen a Firepower with 7 digit displays at some point... I'd need to trade up to a system 7 boardset and have 2 sets of roms on a dip switch... probably just have to disconnect the backbox lights for FP2... even if I can fix the ramp there's no way I'm restoring the art... but under all that dirt the inserts are actually level... it would make a decent players condition... swap the playfields back and forth like a game cartridge..."

I'm sure someone has done something similar so any thoughts on what it would take and if it's worth it? I've played a lot of Firepower over the years but only a few games of FP2 so don't have many thoughts on the actual gameplay other than "kinda like firepower but with a ramp." I'm think this exceeds even my own gluttony for punishment but you never know.

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#4182 49 days ago

Picked up a Firepower at Pinfest this past weekend. Has a hardtop installed, swemmer boards. Bought the wolfpactech led kit to install. Hope to get it setup this week.

#4183 47 days ago

Did Firepower come with white flipper bats from factory? The reason I ask is because I'm contemplating swapping out my white flipper bats for yellow as my white bats have yellowed quite badly.

I would get new white bats but I think brand new white bats will look "too white" and "too new" sticking out like a sore thumb compared to the slightly off white original jet bumpers and other plastics.

#4184 47 days ago
Quoted from acidburn:

Did Firepower come with white flipper bats from factory? The reason I ask is because I'm contemplating swapping out my white flipper bats for yellow as my white bats have yellowed quite badly.
I would get new white bats but I think brand new white bats will look "too white" and "too new" sticking out like a sore thumb compared to the slightly off white original jet bumpers and other plastics.

The original flyers show white bats. The Parts Catalog Supplement 497 (Firepower) doesn’t specify the colour of the bat although it does specify the flipper rubber as red

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#4185 36 days ago

I'm just putting a Firepower Cabinet back together. I have this part left over (jut under 8" long), can anyone identify where it goes?

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#4186 36 days ago
Quoted from SteveNZ:

I'm just putting a Firepower Cabinet back together. I have this part left over (jut under 8" long), can anyone identify where it goes?
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That piece mounts on the back edge of the cutout that the cables run through in the bottom of the backbox. The 3 screw holes are on the top (ie it’s screwed down from inside the backbox). It’ll almost be hidden in pics of the opened backbox due to the cables

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#4187 36 days ago

Manny65 Thanks much appreciated.

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#4188 25 days ago

I'm almost ready to install my hardtop but have to deal with 4 inserts that are missing or too damaged to make nice even with a hardtop. If I needed a full set I'd just starburst everything since nobody makes the smooth triangles anymore but I just need 2 orange, 1 red, 1 green. If I have to I could even flatten/sand used ones as long as they aren't cracked/discolored. Anyone have a lead?

#4189 25 days ago
Quoted from craif:

I'm almost ready to install my hardtop but have to deal with 4 inserts that are missing or too damaged to make nice even with a hardtop. If I needed a full set I'd just starburst everything since nobody makes the smooth triangles anymore but I just need 2 orange, 1 red, 1 green. If I have to I could even flatten/sand used ones as long as they aren't cracked/discolored. Anyone have a lead?

Probably just easier to Starburst all the triangle and be done with it.
-Mike

https://www.pinballlife.com/triangle-inserts.html

#4190 24 days ago
Quoted from craif:

I'm almost ready to install my hardtop but have to deal with 4 inserts that are missing or too damaged to make nice even with a hardtop. If I needed a full set I'd just starburst everything since nobody makes the smooth triangles anymore but I just need 2 orange, 1 red, 1 green. If I have to I could even flatten/sand used ones as long as they aren't cracked/discolored. Anyone have a lead?

I replaced all of mine with starburst except the hotdogs. I left the originals because replacements were not available.

#4191 23 days ago
Quoted from Clytor:

I replaced all of mine with starburst except the hotdogs. I left the originals because replacements were not available.

https://www.pinballlife.com/3-12-x-1-hot-dog-inserts-9857.html

Incase you want to update them.
-Mike

#4192 23 days ago

Wow, when did they start doing these in all the colors? Although like all the "new" blues, it's much less dark than the original, but probably matches the currently available blue circles much better.

#4193 23 days ago

Thanks for the update. Too bad nobody had them when I did my Hardtop, a couple of years ago.

#4194 17 days ago
Quoted from Clytor:

I replaced all of mine with starburst except the hotdogs. I left the originals because replacements were not available.

After searching high and low I've accepted that's what I'll have to do. Figured out everything I need. Just debating whether to use opaque white or starbursted clears for the centerline. I've seen both in the past but can't decide. I'll probably just order both and figure it out in person. Anyone have an opinion?

Maybe this exists already but I made a spreadsheet for myself that might be useful for someone else looking to replace their inserts. If anyone spots an error let me know.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1De0QphGQSo375UzFNxSBHC3ziW07D66F6VN1aENzyAI/edit?usp=sharing

#4195 16 days ago
Quoted from craif:

After searching high and low I've accepted that's what I'll have to do. Figured out everything I need. Just debating whether to use opaque white or starbursted clears for the centerline. I've seen both in the past but can't decide. I'll probably just order both and figure it out in person. Anyone have an opinion?
Maybe this exists already but I made a spreadsheet for myself that might be useful for someone else looking to replace their inserts. If anyone spots an error let me know.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1De0QphGQSo375UzFNxSBHC3ziW07D66F6VN1aENzyAI/edit?usp=sharing

I bet clear starburst would look pretty cool on those bonus inserts. The numbers may not stand out as much as behind the opaque white ones but it's probably minor. I used opaque white in them but did change the inlanes to clear red and out lanes to clear. I put color changing leds under the clear "special" inserts to make it extra special. I also used clear eject shields in the saucers and put red leds under them that are tied to the green lock light insert bulbs.

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