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The Firepower Club

By wiredoug

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#4001 51 days ago
Quoted from sparksterz:

Agreed. I tackled this on a playfield swap for my Gorgar. Makes it really snappy. great improvement. For FirePower how do you manage the lane change? IIRC last time I looked at the underside of my playfield I thought I saw it as a switch on the flipper mechanism instead of by the flipper as I would have expected.

I mounted mine in the same location as it was originally...in the eos Tab

#4002 45 days ago
Quoted from sparksterz:

Agreed. I tackled this on a playfield swap for my Gorgar. Makes it really snappy. great improvement. For FirePower how do you manage the lane change? IIRC last time I looked at the underside of my playfield I thought I saw it as a switch on the flipper mechanism instead of by the flipper as I would have expected.

I upgraded the flippers in my firepower per the Vid guide. If I remember correctly I reused the old leaf switch on my new flipper mechs in order to get the lane switching to work right. Or at least that was the quickest fix in the moment with the parts I had. Works great.

#4003 45 days ago
Quoted from bernieberg:

I upgraded the flippers in my firepower per the Vid guide. If I remember correctly I reused the old leaf switch on my new flipper mechs in order to get the lane switching to work right. Or at least that was the quickest fix in the moment with the parts I had. Works great.

Good idea. If it's not broke, don't fix it. I almost always live by this when working on pins. I've made things worse messing with my old EMs so I follow that line of thinking now.
It also doesn't need as much current going through it like a flipper switch.

#4004 39 days ago

Little write-up for those with the right flipper too weak to hit the top right scoop...

After replacing all connectors, shotgunning all boards, rebuilding the flippers with new coils, trying all possible EOS adjustments, reducing the slope to the point it felt really wrong... I still couldn't hit the top right scoop.

I kinda gave up for months just hoping for luck at plunge or lane guide rebound.

A few weeks ago I finished rebuilding my Blackout, only to notice how strong the flippers were. I realized I used the PinballLife complete flippers kit for Williams system 6, and even if they are not the fliptronics style, they are noticeably stronger than those I had in my Firepower (fliptronics style).

So I went ahead and ordered another set of PinballLife complete flippers kit for Williams system 6, mounted them, adjusted EOS, and boom... Instant hit of the top right scoop! I then leveled the rear legs to go back to a normal slope and it hits again, clean and strong.

I am not sure why they are so much powerful? I had the exact same coils (bought individually at Marco a year ago). This older design is supposed to be less efficient than the fliptronics, as it's got the conical spring that chews the link and drags more, but it is night and day.

Anyway, this is the one thing that did the trick for me. It's pricey but really, being in control now is a great feeling.

#4005 39 days ago
Quoted from manples:

Little write-up for those with the right flipper too weak to hit the top right scoop...
After replacing all connectors, shotgunning all boards, rebuilding the flippers with new coils, trying all possible EOS adjustments, reducing the slope to the point it felt really wrong... I still couldn't hit the top right scoop.
I kinda gave up for months just hoping for luck at plunge or lane guide rebound.
A few weeks ago I finished rebuilding my Blackout, only to notice how strong the flippers were. I realized I used the PinballLife complete flippers kit for Williams system 6, and even if they are not the fliptronics style, they are noticeably stronger than those I had in my Firepower (fliptronics style).
So I went ahead and ordered another set of PinballLife complete flippers kit for Williams system 6, mounted them, adjusted EOS, and boom... Instant hit of the top right scoop! I then leveled the rear legs to go back to a normal slope and it hits again, clean and strong.
I am not sure why they are so much powerful? I had the exact same coils (bought individually at Marco a year ago). This older design is supposed to be less efficient than the fliptronics, as it's got the conical spring that chews the link and drags more, but it is night and day.
Anyway, this is the one thing that did the trick for me. It's pricey but really, being in control now is a great feeling.

Flipper rebuild kit or the whole assembly? Link it if you can please.

#4006 38 days ago

This what I got from PinballLife: "Full Flipper Assembly For Williams Machines From 02/1980 To 08/1983
C-8230-L_C-8230-R
Base Plate: Right (and I also got the left)
Coil: SFL-19-400/30-75

Link as of today: https://www.pinballlife.com/full-flipper-assembly-for-williams-machines-from-021980-to-081983.html

As much as I like this shop, I am not affiliated to them ok? Just sharing what worked for me and again the EOS adjustment was perfect on the previous Fliptronics-style flippers I had in the machine with brand new SFL-19-400/30-75 coils I got from the other shop. Not sure why the difference, especially going back to the older style with the conical spring? I'd be curious to see if this works for you too Charles_Kline ? Let us know.

#4007 38 days ago

You need to make sure your plunger is hitting the coil stop. I ordered a kit off eBay and they were to short, maybe because they used the wrong link. I changed it to a 1/16 longer Stern plunger (I think) and they work great now.

#4008 38 days ago

I wouldn't buy any system 6 flipper rebuild kits on ebay. I had to go back and forth with the seller to prove they were wrong. They may have changed it by now

#4009 37 days ago
Quoted from manples:

This what I got from PinballLife: "Full Flipper Assembly For Williams Machines From 02/1980 To 08/1983
C-8230-L_C-8230-R
Base Plate: Right (and I also got the left)
Coil: SFL-19-400/30-75
Link as of today: https://www.pinballlife.com/full-flipper-assembly-for-williams-machines-from-021980-to-081983.html
As much as I like this shop, I am not affiliated to them ok? Just sharing what worked for me and again the EOS adjustment was perfect on the previous Fliptronics-style flippers I had in the machine with brand new SFL-19-400/30-75 coils I got from the other shop. Not sure why the difference, especially going back to the older style with the conical spring? I'd be curious to see if this works for you too Charles_Kline ? Let us know.

Good info, thanks for sharing. Did you happen to notice a difference in flipper travel between the 2 setups? Was it possible the stock flipper arrangement had more or less travel than the WPC setup? You could tell by the position of the bats when energized (assuming you set both to the same resting position).

It could also be that the WPC era return springs are stronger, causing more resistance to the coil as it activates.

#4010 37 days ago
Quoted from trk12fire:

You need to make sure your plunger is hitting the coil stop

Yes, both were hitting the coil stops. And coils were tight, not moving. EOS gap was 1/8" when fully plunged, and longer leaf bent to open only at the very end of the strike.

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Quoted from Schwaggs:

Did you happen to notice a difference in flipper travel between the 2 setups?

no, I can't tell the difference. They are aligned with the return guides just like in my previous setup.

#4011 37 days ago
Quoted from manples:

Yes, both were hitting the coil stops. And coils were tight, not moving. EOS gap was 1/8" when fully plunged, and longer leaf bent to open only at the very end of the strike.

Is there a coil sleeve in that coil? It's not extending past the coil bracket along the plunger.

Quoted from manples:

no, I can't tell the difference. They are aligned with the return guides just like in my previous setup.

That sounds good, what about in the upright position.

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#4012 13 days ago

I’m in the club as of 2day! I’ll wax the PF and adjust the pitch after work 2mrw..

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#4013 12 days ago

hwyhed Gratz on the pick up. Playfield looks in great shape.

#4014 12 days ago
Quoted from Teamhex:

hwyhed Gratz on the pick up. Playfield looks in great shape.

Thanks teamhex. I was lucky to find a clean 1! Probably gonna change some of the leds in the back glass, and just play it

#4015 12 days ago

That is a great looking playfield. Was it replaced at some point or was the game hardly ever played?

congrats on the pickup!

#4016 11 days ago

NW7 board finally on the way.

#4017 10 days ago

My Firepower is missing the gate at the top of the shooter lane. Does anyone have a spare one lying around they'd part with?

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#4018 10 days ago
Quoted from DorkInAbox:

My Firepower is missing the gate at the top of the shooter lane. Does anyone have a spare one lying around they'd part with?
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If you can't find one they aren't too hard to make. One length of music wire at the hobby shop will let you make a bunch of them. Even if you make a few mistakes there is plenty of material left to make more.

#4019 10 days ago
Quoted from DorkInAbox:

My Firepower is missing the gate at the top of the shooter lane. Does anyone have a spare one lying around they'd part with?
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The parts list show it as 12A-6460 and it's in stock at Marco https://www.marcospecialties.com/pinball-parts/12-6460

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#4020 10 days ago

So, time for me to gracefully leave the Gottlieb Sys1 club, now that we've traded up from Solar Ride to Firepower.

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#4021 10 days ago
Quoted from SR230CC:

NW7 board finally on the way.

I have my Firepower running in my NW7 multipin right now. It's running stereo with a sub. I'm amazed at how much low end information is in the original sound package. I'm planning to enhance it as well.

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#4022 10 days ago
Quoted from Clytor:

I have my Firepower running in my NW7 multipin right now. It's running stereo with a sub. I'm amazed at how much low end information is in the original sound package. I'm planning to enhance it as well. [quoted image]

Okay wait what head is this?

#4023 10 days ago
Quoted from Clytor:

I have my Firepower running in my NW7 multipin right now. It's running stereo with a sub. I'm amazed at how much low end information is in the original sound package. I'm planning to enhance it as well. [quoted image]

Hooking a sub up to this game is the greatest thing, especially when you hit the 1-6 targets. So boomy!

#4024 10 days ago
Quoted from swillie:

Okay wait what head is this?

It looks like a Firepower II head on an original Firepower. What to do about the backglass since the original won’t fit?

#4025 10 days ago
Quoted from BriPin:

It looks like a Firepower II head on an original Firepower. What to do about the backglass since the original won’t fit?

Except his has 6 digit scoring for each player...Fp2 Has 7 digits.

#4026 9 days ago

Ha. I thought this picture might be confusing. So, it's a Flash cabinet and head. I had to do a bunch of modifications to make the Firepower 2 speaker panel and insert panel work in the Flash. I lowered the bottom studs so I could mount the six digit displays where the seven digit displays were. I am running system 3-6 games in the cabinet. Thats why I'm not using the seven digit displays. I had to run a satellite display for the credit/ball. The display driver would not fit on the front of the insert panel with everything else. The reason I'm using the FP2 speaker panel is so I could have a stereo pair of 6X9s in the speaker panel. Taylor at Reese Rails reproduced the speaker panel with cut outs for the 6x9s instead of the single round speaker. Why stereo when the output is mono? You can order a stereo version of the NW7 3 in 1 board. Yes, the original sounds are mono. However, the NW7 allows you to swap out sounds like a Pinsound board. I am going to add some panning effects and add some new sounds to the original sound package.

#4027 9 days ago
Quoted from LynnInDenver:

So, time for me to gracefully leave the Gottlieb Sys1 club, now that we've traded up from Solar Ride to Firepower.
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Welcome to the club.

#4028 8 days ago

who sellls the nice chrome firepower jet bump caps?

#4029 8 days ago
Quoted from robotron:

who sellls the nice chrome firepower jet bump caps?

Metal mods sells chome decals to put on whatever pop cap you want.

#4030 4 days ago

Does anyone have a spare B-8238 Upper Right Ball Guide for Firepower? Or can someone scan theirs or provide a vector file so I can have it laser cut? I posted this ad a few weeks ago but no luck finding one. Thanks!!!

https://pinside.com/pinball/market/classifieds/ad/115715

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#4031 3 days ago

Anyone interested in my old playfield...wear around the right slingshot down to the bottom,cupped inserts, otherwise in good shape...good hardtop candidate..PM me if interested

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#4032 3 days ago

So I got my NW7 today. Had some switch issues. I disconnected the coin door and everything works great. Does anyone sell a system 6 coin door harness? Next up is some customization for sounds.

#4033 3 days ago
Quoted from pinengineer77:

Does anyone have a spare B-8238 Upper Right Ball Guide for Firepower? Or can someone scan theirs or provide a vector file so I can have it laser cut? I posted this ad a few weeks ago but no luck finding one. Thanks!!!
https://pinside.com/pinball/market/classifieds/ad/115715
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I *probably* do? Unfortunately if I do, it'll be in one of several boxes/containers crammed into my storage unit which I recently downgraded to a smaller size, so it's even less accessible. If you don't have any luck soon, you could throw me an occasional PM as a reminder and the next time I go to the unit I can dig through the boxes. I parted out a burned Firepower decades ago but the playfield was still decent; I kept all the hardware off it so that piece is very likely in my stash. It's been long enough that I've forgotten what all I kept, so I can't promise that I do have it.

Richard

#4034 3 days ago
Quoted from monkfe:

Anyone interested in my old playfield...wear around the right slingshot down to the bottom,cupped inserts, otherwise in good shape...good hardtop candidate..PM me if interested [quoted image][quoted image][quoted image]

Man that is a great resto candidate! I hope someone with the skills picks this up

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