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The Firepower Club

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#3151 2 years ago

I forgot I had edited the above file to make the keylines wider when I did mine. I actually may have made the circles a little wider than original to make sure I could adjust for alignment on the playfield printing. My file is a pdf, not sure if it will attach correctly...

PlayfieldDecals modified mid triangle and wide circle.pdf
#3152 2 years ago
Quoted from setzkor:

I forgot I had edited the above file to make the keylines wider when I did mine. I actually may have made the circles a little wider than original to make sure I could adjust for alignment on the playfield printing. My file is a pdf, not sure if it will attach correctly...[quoted image]

These are dead on!
Great job!

#3153 2 years ago

Glad to help out. Good luck on your resto.

#3154 2 years ago
Quoted from mrm_4:

Good catch! (It’s actually just upside down)

The 5X actually needed to be flipped horizontally and then vertically.

Here are the two versions that were previously posted (large and small keylines).

Firepower Decals 5X Fix (Large Keylines).pdfFirepower Decals 5X Fix (Small Keylines).pdf
#3155 2 years ago

Now that I look more closely... The 5 on the arrow is now different than the rest as well. I'll have to check what the original 5 looks like.

#3156 2 years ago

The fonts on this game are all screwy. Look at the 5 in the arrow compared to the 5X. Some of the 0’s are different on the playfield also. Hard to say if it’s intentional or as Bob Ross would say “happy accident”

#3157 2 years ago

Yeah mine is under clear... So it's staying. Just curious

#3158 2 years ago

It's the idiosyncrasies of pinball art, back in the day, when everything was done by hand.

#3159 2 years ago
Quoted from orangegsx:

Is there a custom rom for 6 digit displays to cut the score down and give an actual objective to the multiball?

The old school way of getting more score out of 6 digits was the "divide by 10" custom roms, but they don't change the game rules to allow multiball goals. I *think* but can't recall if Oliver Kaegi has 6 digit-compatible custom roms; vague memory says yes. Search for his page. I've got his 7 digit custom roms in my FP and dig them, but I do understand not everybody is down for the hardware conversion needed for this.

Richard

#3160 2 years ago

Missing light socket...is it just a regular bulb or flasher that goes there?

Also can anyone verify the ground braid and yellow wire should attach to light socket?

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#3161 2 years ago

Slightly crispy connector here. Never ordered these before. Anyone able to give me a part number or a link to correct part. Also any recommendations on a reasonably priced Molex tool?

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#3162 2 years ago
Quoted from crujones4life:

Missing light socket...is it just a regular bulb or flasher that goes there?
Also can anyone verify the ground braid and yellow wire should attach to light socket?[quoted image]

That is a GI bulb location. Standard bayonet #44/#47 type bulb. Solder the bare braided wire to the socket frame and the yellow to the tip of the socket.

#3163 2 years ago
Quoted from crujones4life:

Slightly crispy connector here. Never ordered these before. Anyone able to give me a part number or a link to correct part. Also any recommendations on a reasonably priced Molex tool?[quoted image]

The housing being crispy is no problem if it doesn't bug you ascetically. You can get all those parts at Great Plains Electronics.

Circuit board side:
12 pin https://www.greatplainselectronics.com/proddetail.asp?prod=09-18-5121
6 pin https://www.greatplainselectronics.com/proddetail.asp?prod=09-18-5061

Receptacle side:
Sockets https://www.greatplainselectronics.com/proddetail.asp?prod=02-09-1119
Pins https://www.greatplainselectronics.com/proddetail.asp?prod=02-09-2118

Removal tool:
https://www.greatplainselectronics.com/proddetail.asp?prod=W-HT-2038&cat=89

Housings:
6 pin https://www.greatplainselectronics.com/proddetail.asp?prod=03-09-1064
12 pin (picture is wrong on this one, it has no ears) https://www.greatplainselectronics.com/proddetail.asp?prod=03-09-1126

#3164 2 years ago

Thank you Schwaggs! I really appreciate it!

#3165 2 years ago

Anyone know where to find these beasts? I need the 27 ohm 10% 2 watt resistors on the driver board.
Seems I’m only finding the 5%. Or does anyone know of compatible replacements?

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#3166 2 years ago

Doesn’t the percentage mean tolerance from the nominal value? Wouldn’t 5% be more accurate than 10%? Seems like the 5% ones would work fine.

#3167 2 years ago
Quoted from rlbohon3:

Doesn’t the percentage mean tolerance from the nominal value? Wouldn’t 5% be more accurate than 10%? Seems like the 5% ones would work fine.

I’m not really sure....
I think these might be it but based on the design I thought they’d be the other ones towards the center of the board. The description matches but the look resembles the other resistors

https://www.marcospecialties.com/pinball-parts/WPRK-1

#3168 2 years ago

I believe the round ones are the really old style and are no longer made. The rectangle ones will work.

#3169 2 years ago
Quoted from mrm_4:

Anyone know where to find these beasts? I need the 27 ohm 10% 2 watt resistors on the driver board.
Seems I’m only finding the 5%. Or does anyone know of compatible replacements?[quoted image]

I recommend doing this:

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/vids-guide-to-bulletproofing-williams-system-6/page/16#post-4884617

Eliminate the heat problem forever !

#3170 2 years ago
Quoted from mrm_4:

Anyone know where to find these beasts? I need the 27 ohm 10% 2 watt resistors on the driver board.
Seems I’m only finding the 5%. Or does anyone know of compatible replacements?[quoted image]

If you want to simply replace the resistors, for the System3-5 driver board; get the 27 ohm, 5%, 5 watt resistors from Ed @ Great Plains.
https://www.greatplainselectronics.com/proddetail.asp?prod=RC5W-27-SQT

And don't forget to replace the 40-pin interconnect male & female...
https://www.greatplainselectronics.com/proddetail.asp?prod=2420-10-2260
https://www.greatplainselectronics.com/proddetail.asp?prod=09-48-2106
(4 of each connector for 40 pins total)

#3171 2 years ago

Yes, the percentage is indeed the tolerance. A 5% resistor has better tolerance than a 10% which only means it will be closer to the claimed value of the resistor (27 ohms in this case).

I second what the others have said, these really should be replaced with resistors with a higher power rating, like the 5W devices Timerider linked.

Your other (better) options is to replace the bipolar power transistors in the lamp matrix with MOSFETS. instructions are in the thread Budwin linked. This GREATLY reduces the heat generated by the lamp matrix reducing backbox temps extending the life of the boards and backglass.

#3172 2 years ago

I appreciate all the advice guys!
Initially I was going to buy all components and do the jumper method with the mosfets but these board have a lot of acid damage and although I enjoy the process of repairing and doing board work I’m thinking about just getting the combo board from arcadeshop. We’ll see...

#3173 2 years ago
Quoted from mrm_4:

I’m thinking about just getting the combo board from arcadeshop. We’ll see...

If you do so that's certainly your choice, just please don't trash the originals as some have. Many boards are repairable and they aren't making any more originals..

Richard

#3174 2 years ago

Hi everyone, I'm new to the club.
Just got my firepower before thanksgiving, which is also the very first pinball I own.
I totally was into the machine after testing it at CAX this summer and wanted one.

The machine was not working when I got it, but it was really small issues I was able to quickly fix. The batteries were starting to leak but fortunately it did not start to corrode the mpu. Everything electronically is working fine even though I will recap the sound board.

The backglass is in very decent shape, there are only few spots that would require some touch ups.

The playfield part has some weaknesses, one target is a little bit off, few parts here and there needs to be changed, the left flipper broke while my son actively tested the new rubbers. But nothing really problematic, even for a beginner like me.

The playfield art and plastic is where the previous owners were the most creative and where we'll end up probably spend most of our time in giving the machine the love it deserves. In addition to the classic missing art in some part of the planet/ship, The previous owners decided to color the playfield at some spots but also to make their own plastic cover for the left target. I will take some pictures later and share that with you, you'll sure "enjoy it".

I'll share my journey here and I will probably ask some questions time to time, but I will make sure to carefully read through the forum first as it already contains a lot of extremely valuable information.

Happy!

#3175 2 years ago

Welcome to the club! Firepower is a great first machine to learn repair and restoration work!

#3176 2 years ago

Any apron decals out there or decent scans to start with?

My apron is in ok shape but the shooter lane piece is just shot and needs redone. Would be interested in both though

#3177 2 years ago

Well, i just got my Firepower a week ago and started taking it apart.

Playfield needs some touch up and will receive a clearcoat.
Boards are out and are being revised
Cabinet needs repainting
and Backglass needs a treatment or needs to be replaced.

Here is my question, does anyone have a high ress scan from the backglass? I want to try and print it on some sort of sheet.

#3178 2 years ago

I'm selling a project machine if anyone is interested. I have already converted it to drop targets. I tested it, then got involved in something else and partially disassembled the game.

Let me know if you are interested.

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#3179 2 years ago

This Flash thread has a guy stripping a playfield, if anyone is looking to convert their FP to drop targets. Flash is compatable

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/looking-for-1-flash-plastic

#3180 2 years ago

Hi all, I picked up a #firepower that had been sitting in a barn for over a decade so it was subject to some pretty wild Michigan temperature extremes. I've spent the last two months doing some extensive repairs (perhaps I'll detail them sometime--it's quite a list), but I just completed the installation of a Hardtop so the playfield is now close to 10/10 in appearance. I've noticed when comparing to other pictures that I am missing a ball gate near the top right side of the playfield (near the "E" in "FIRE"). Does anyone know where I can pick something like this up?

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#3181 2 years ago
Quoted from gigawatt:

Hi all, I picked up a #firepower that had been sitting in a barn for over a decade so it was subject to some pretty wild Michigan temperature extremes. I've spent the last two months doing some extensive repairs (perhaps I'll detail them sometime--it's quite a list), but I just completed the installation of a Hardtop so the playfield is now close to 10/10 in appearance. I've noticed when comparing to other pictures that I am missing a ball gate near the top right side of the playfield (near the "E" in "FIRE"). Does anyone know where I can pick something like this up?[quoted image]

https://www.marcospecialties.com/pinball-parts/01-6936 and fab you're own wire

#3183 2 years ago
Quoted from Schwaggs:

Welcome to the club! Firepower is a great first machine to learn repair and restoration work!

Thank You

#3184 2 years ago

hello Firepower squad, I just got a Firepower and wanted to paint the cab. Has anyone downloaded and used the stencils from the Firepower website?
if so, what did you print them out on?

thanks

#3185 2 years ago
Quoted from D8n-flipped:

hello Firepower squad, I just got a Firepower and wanted to paint the cab. Has anyone downloaded and used the stencils from the Firepower website?
if so, what did you print them out on?
thanks

IMHO save yourself and just buy them from PinballPimp.

I did it and it was hard enough getting the paint on the right amount, I can't imagine fighting with the stencils too.

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#3186 2 years ago

This showed up today

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#3187 2 years ago
Quoted from CanadianPinball:

This showed up today

Mmmmmmm! Mine should be here tomorrow! I didn't think of this before but I wonder if the playfield is silk screened or their new digital printing tech? I was assuming silk screened but there's no mention of the process used on their website.

#3188 2 years ago
Quoted from CanadianPinball:

This showed up today[quoted image][quoted image]

Is it really a firepower without cupped and raised inserts though? JK, looks awesome.

#3189 2 years ago

I am going to try to restore my Firepower playfield. If any of you who has a new playfield can scan this spot and mail it to me, I would appreciate it.

If you cannot scan it, please take a photo. Place the camera as perpendicular to the playfield as possible.

Thanks.

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#3190 2 years ago

Well, I've received it and I'm not too happy about the crazing on many of the inserts. CanadianPinball Do you have similar issues? Do you guys think this is acceptable for costing almost $1,000?

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#3191 2 years ago
Quoted from BriPin:

I wonder if the playfield is silk screened or their new digital printing tech?

It's Digital

#3192 2 years ago

I have some crazing too but I'm close to my 10th CPR PF swap and I don't give a sh!t.

The alternative is a shitty PF or Hardtop with 35+ year old inserts
You'll never see it when playing. I had worse on my High Speed PF.....I never see it, ever.
Be happy CPR is around.

BriPin, not taking a jab at you....I'm typing this with a smile and happy I have another project

#3193 2 years ago
Quoted from BriPin:

Well, I've received it and I'm not too happy about the crazing on many of the inserts. CanadianPinball Do you have similar issues? Do you guys think this is acceptable for costing almost $1,000?[quoted image][quoted image][quoted image][quoted image][quoted image]

wow $1,150 for a firepower playfield, seriously?
i was hoping for a new run for my restoration but c'mon at that price it's gotta be perfection.

i still can't believe the price. i'm crazy but not that crazy.

#3194 2 years ago

Local bar has a couple playfield coffee tables. One is a Firepower.

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#3195 2 years ago
Quoted from BriPin:

Well, I've received it and I'm not too happy about the crazing on many of the inserts. CanadianPinball Do you have similar issues? Do you guys think this is acceptable for costing almost $1,000?[quoted image][quoted image][quoted image][quoted image][quoted image]

If I could drop a bit under a grand, and have the worst issue my FP2 playfield has be some insert crazing... Well, where's the pre-order list? I wanna put my deposit down.

All of this stuff is made using processes with inherent variation, especially as time passes and materials cure, shrink, expand, flex, warp, and otherwise physically transform in ways what are entirely beyond the control of the artisans that shaped them.

Quoted from CanadianPinball:

I have some crazing too but I'm close to my 10th CPR PF swap and I don't give a sh!t.
The alternative is a shitty PF or Hardtop with 35+ year old inserts
You'll never see it when playing. I had worse on my High Speed PF.....I never see it, ever.
Be happy CPR is around.
BriPin, not taking a jab at you....I'm typing this with a smile and happy I have another project

^^^ this person gets it.

#3196 2 years ago
Quoted from bernieberg:

Local bar has a couple playfield coffee tables. One is a Firepower.[quoted image]

Nice. Did they light them?

#3197 2 years ago
Quoted from Aniraf:

Nice. Did they light them?

No, that would have been pretty cool if they were.

#3198 2 years ago

Hi-

First post here as I'm hopefully a new Firepower owner tomorrow. I've been trying to do some research today to understand what CPU board may be missing from the FirePower unit I'm looking to buy. From the boards behind the backglass, is it the Driver board that is missing?

What I've heard is the main things to focus on is the backglass, playfield and cabinet on these machines as the rest is easier to replace. Can anyone help me inform what the missing board may be and the cost to fix (ballpark)?

Thanks in advance, really eager to get my first pinball and getting a fairly good deal on this one!

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#3199 2 years ago
Quoted from MDBradley:

Hi-
First post here as I'm hopefully a new Firepower owner tomorrow. I've been trying to do some research today to understand what CPU board may be missing from the FirePower unit I'm looking to buy. From the boards behind the backglass, is it the Driver board that is missing?
What I've heard is the main things to focus on is the backglass, playfield and cabinet on these machines as the rest is easier to replace. Can anyone help me inform what the missing board may be and the cost to fix (ballpark)?
Thanks in advance, really eager to get my first pinball and getting a fairly good deal on this one![quoted image][quoted image][quoted image]

Someone did you a favor and installed this.
http://www.arcadeshop.com/i/692/williams-system-3-to-7-mpu-driver-board.htm

I’m about to install one of those in my project. Along with replacing every single other board haha

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#3200 2 years ago

So to clarify further... There is no board really "missing". The board linked above replaces both the CPU and driver board. Thus the empty space in your pic.

The game looks to be in reasonable shape based on those pics as best I can tell.

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