Quoted from Drewscruis:Look like beard cnc is fully operational...lol
Yeah but he is scared as hell to fuck up 
This router sometimes “pulls” the wrong way and it was real hard to obtain this professional whitewood from Mirco...(I mean...good guy but just as easy to contact as our king )
06246265-86ED-4D73-A2B9-ABEA586322AF (resized).jpegQuoted from JayDee:A palm router or laminate trimmer would work perfect for the small detail routing. Easy to control, less power, and bits are smaller
Yeah we ordered this one from ali express,but it is delayed and we want to keep on keeping on you know?
A7460EC7-0999-4390-A186-FCA38ECB2017 (resized).pnghey guys, nice to see your thread each week, have fun tonight.
also checking out the progress of your Monte and have to agree it did look purplish - coming together nicely....
Quoted from SunKing:I'm just curious why you're replacing/redoing the entire playfield. I mean, was the old that that bad to warrant all the extra work? ...not second guessing you guys, just wondering.
Oh i can explain that in short,they don’t sell the right thickness plywood so this proto field is actually too thick...which causes all the parts to malfunction...for a example: the 2 pop bumpers on the lower plafield barely work cuz the actuator ring sits too low on the playfield.
Other example: all the target switches don’t make it all the way through the playfield,they lie with their chin on this playfield,barely sticking through.
Everything pinball is based on the right thickness playfield.
We obviously did not start with a professional whitewood because we fuck up a lot...and when i say a lot..i mean a loooot.
image (resized).jpgQuoted from swinks:hey guys, nice to see your thread each week, have fun tonight.
also checking out the progress of your Monte and have to agree it did look purplish - coming together nicely....
Hey friend,yeah...plus we pushed it outside and when the sun hit it,it became like violet and pinkish...it was really bad..
Very childish flipflop color.
I absolutely hated it..
I gave the paint shop the color code from my model S , so it is Tesla black now.
A real nice deep black,looks amazing up close...
No 30 footer paint job by the way,this is an official approved body shop,this car looks good even from 2 feet.
Fabulous!
Quoted from JayDee:No new beard fashion statements for the past couple weeks?
Beard is sponsored this week
8DD2F506-2DEB-4A97-BD97-FEB4DF7AAED5 (resized).jpegQuoted from Phantasize:Denmark is in the house! Happy Friday evening Amigos
New playfield is looking awesome!
And Dick looks real clever with those glasses. Sort'a professor like
Yeah he does right? His iq went up by 30 points
yeah a trimmer router would do the trick, do you have one with a smaller round base then having a router guide would make life easier
Quoted from jokerpoker:Always nice to see the progress Amigos.
Diddo brother 
Quoted from swinks:yeah a trimmer router would do the trick, do you have one with a smaller round base then having a router guide would make life easier
Yeah,we gotta get that,for sure
Quoted from SYS6:With all the repeated shapes for the inserts would it be worth your while to make a template for routing each shape?
Beard just said the same thing,we are debating just that! 
6B2D00B9-24F3-4D0D-B013-408FB97B6740 (resized).jpegI tried using a router manually when I was building an arcade cabinet from scratch. It doesn’t work very well. It’s a pretty ‘wild’ machine and difficult to steer around. After a few disasters I started to always pull it along a piece of wood clamped down for a straight line or using a template with a copy bit for shapes. Also look at the arrow that is usually on the machine. Always push it along in that direction.
this is what I was thinking you are needing, yes you need access to a 3d printer and a design to suit your router and for the type of inserts you are using but would be perfect for all future builds. Check out this other homebrew.
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/new-homebrew-game-1#post-5575205
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Quoted from Marten:I tried using a router manually when I was building an arcade cabinet from scratch. It doesn’t work very well. It’s a pretty ‘wild’ machine and difficult to steer around. After a few disasters I started to always pull it along a piece of wood clamped down for a straight line or using a template with a copy bit for shapes. Also look at the arrow that is usually on the machine. Always push it along in that direction.
Yup it is like riding a mechanical bull
Thanks for the pointers!
Quoted from swinks:this is what I was thinking you are needing, yes you need access to a 3d printer and a design to suit your router and for the type of inserts you are using but would be perfect for all future builds. Check out this other homebrew.
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/new-homebrew-game-1#post-5575205
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Wow those are great man 
But we counted our inserts and basically we have only 21 weird shaped inserts and 29 round ones.
So we can totally freehand this when we take our time...i am gonna try to operate the router next friday,see if i have a steadier hand! 
Quoted from pinballrockstar:Wow those are great man
But we counted our inserts and basically we have only 21 weird shaped inserts and 29 round ones.
So we can totally freehand this when we take our time...i am gonna try to operate the router next friday,see if i have a steadier hand!
If you got time somebody here might be able to print that template for you and mail it to you. Unfortunately, my printer is currently down. The FET for the bed burned. Need to replace it.
what about a Do It Yourself template, and happy to help where possible
I have a number of the inserts drawn, and if you let me know the insert type, cutter diameter and disc / router base diameter (if round) I can draw a template and send to you as a print image with a ruler on it to scale up and then glue on to a bit of scrap plywood and then cut out the template shape and then do a test router cut on some scrap then you can cut a heap out with a few carefully cut out templates
One of the most concerning things I’ve found with manual routers - not only that they’ve got a lot of torque and if you catch something weird or accidentally lift one side a bit it can get crazy on you and suddenly In a flash a bunch of wood is gone that wasn’t supposed to be removed — but also if you completely were to lose control of it (slips out of your hands) it ain’t stopping, no paddle switch on these beasts...
I’ve never had the latter happen but been close when I’ve accidentally hit a screw in the pf.. maybe not as dangerous as a table saw but they could still f you up real quick
Quoted from jabdoa:If you got time somebody here might be able to print that template for you and mail it to you. Unfortunately, my printer is currently down. The FET for the bed burned. Need to replace it.
Thanks man,but we’ll get the job done with that smaller router beard ordered
Quoted from swinks:what about a Do It Yourself template, and happy to help where possible
I have a number of the inserts drawn, and if you let me know the insert type, cutter diameter and disc / router base diameter (if round) I can draw a template and send to you as a print image with a ruler on it to scale up and then glue on to a bit of scrap plywood and then cut out the template shape and then do a test router cut on some scrap then you can cut a heap out with a few carefully cut out templates
It’s only like 21 difficult inserts,no sweat,the rest is all round,we’ll get it done
Quoted from Mbecker:One of the most concerning things I’ve found with manual routers - not only that they’ve got a lot of torque and if you catch something weird or accidentally lift one side a bit it can get crazy on you and suddenly In a flash a bunch of wood is gone that wasn’t supposed to be removed — but also if you completely were to lose control of it (slips out of your hands) it ain’t stopping, no paddle switch on these beasts...
I’ve never had the latter happen but been close when I’ve accidentally hit a screw in the pf.. maybe not as dangerous as a table saw but they could still f you up real quick
Yeah they are tricky allright
Finally caught up. Was behind a few months. Did so properly with a Heineken. Happy belated bday bas. And. I learned something new. I watch a lot of your videos without sound on this stoop with a beer or whiskey as I am today. Watched one or 2 inside. With sound. Always assumed mic=mick, not mike. Who knew? Nice progress fellas
20200406_174011.jpgQuoted from pinballwil:I used this one for my playfield.
2 days work and some blisters
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Hey amigo Wil !
Seriously cool job,that was a lot of work!
You didn’t economize on inserts by the way hahaha! Wow that is a shit ton of inserts,those curved arrows must have been pure hell to route? 
Quoted from tommyp:Finally caught up. Was behind a few months. Did so properly with a Heineken. Happy belated bday bas. And. I learned something new. I watch a lot of your videos without sound on this stoop with a beer or whiskey as I am today. Watched one or 2 inside. With sound. Always assumed mic=mick, not mike. Who knew? Nice progress fellas[quoted image]
Cheers amigo!
You are right,i am wrong.
He actually really curses me for calling him mike all the time
He’s like ; dude! It’s Mick! MICK!! ARE YOU STOOPID!! 
It’s like Bud Bundy’s grandmaster B thing
(I call him beard now so i don’t mess up)
Quoted from pinballrockstar:Hey amigo Wil !
Seriously cool job,that was a lot of work!
You didn’t economize on inserts by the way hahaha! Wow that is a shit ton of inserts,those curved arrows must have been pure hell to route?
Yes it really was a painful job for my hands.
But you can drill various round holes first at insert deep. then use the dremel.
Fit it 100 times after every stroke with the dremel.
When it fits then dril through the playfield.
It goes real fast, 2 days work.
I try to use a bracket but that don't work because you can't see what you're doing.
Good luck take it easy and next week we will see a great looking playfield i'am sure.
keep up the great work guys.
Templates can give you a high quality cut that can be done really quick. . ..
https://mpf.kantert.net/forum/index.php@topic=843.0.html
If you look to the right of the first playfield image, you can see the 'jig' I used for making the templates and that approach worked well for a variety of shapes. I was also doing it with the lip to hold the insert vs a straight through cut. I can provide more detail on creating the templates if you have interest (popsicle sticks, the insert and some scrap wood and a 'flush trim' router bit).
Quoted from Marten:It asks for a password
did not think one was needed, but try
pinball/controllers
here is a PDF of that page, it does cut off part of a few of the photos, but should provide the key info . . .
I don't need no stinkin CNC.pdfNow the forum dump becomes public again . Nevermind, we could also remove the password if Gerry want the stuff up there.
Jan
Quoted from bssbllr:^^^^^^ I’m waiting for you to pass me the “J”
images.jpeg-1 (resized).jpgQuoted from pinballrockstar:Hey amigos!! Let’s party!!
Checking in from isolation near DC in Virginia.
-Rob
-visit http://www.kahr.us to get my daughterboard that helps fix WPC pinball resets or my Pinball 200 H+V Video Sync Combiner kit
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