Quoted from volcanodiver:so it killed someone at the "so much better" sanctuary, but not at the "evil" circus. Seems a bit backward to me.
Think about why the sanctuary needs to exist.
Quoted from volcanodiver:so it killed someone at the "so much better" sanctuary, but not at the "evil" circus. Seems a bit backward to me.
Think about why the sanctuary needs to exist.
I know I'm in the minority, but I have a greater admiration and respect of the majesty of animals as a result of the circus. I was raised around cows and chickens in my youth and thought they were all nothing but food. Ringling Brothers showed me the amazing intelligence of other animals, even the ferocious ones. Obviously, YouTube exists today, so maybe that'll fill the gap. Still, I'm going to miss them and I wonder if there might be negative consequences in the long run of our children not seeing the potential of animals.
Quoted from yancy:Think about why the sanctuary needs to exist.
Because elephants needed a place to go to kill keepers? </sarcasm>
Quoted from volcanodiver:Because elephants needed a place to go to kill keepers? </sarcasm>
Take it up with the elephant dude.
Like orcas, elephants need vast spaces to roam. There is a famous video of a circus elephant escaping and running down center of town causing havoc and attacking people. Killed his trainer. Every cop in town shot the elephant continuously. By the time it finally fell, gallons of blood per second were gushing out of him. So yeah, I do not condone the treatment of certain animals In these shows. However, not all animals have the same needs. PETA tends to draw a line in the sand for the treatment of all animals, as if they were all as intelligent as humans with similar human needs.
Quoted from vicjw66:Like orcas, elephants need vast spaces to roam. There is a famous video of a circus elephant escaping and running down center of town causing havoc and attacking people. Killed his trainer. Every cop in town shot the elephant continuously. By the time it finally fell, gallons of blood per second were gushing out of him. So yeah, I do not condone the treatment of certain animals In these shows. However, not all animals have the same needs. PETA tends to draw a line in the sand for the treatment of all animals, as if they were all as intelligent as humans with similar human needs.
Elephants have approximately 65 gallons of blood. If it had "gallons of blood per second gushing out" it would have completely bled out in under 30 seconds, this is assuming no blood loss at all until all the bullet holes were made, and it kept bleeding until completely empty (which does not happen). I'd have to say your exaggerating about the bleed rate. Let's stick to reality.
Quoted from volcanodiver:Elephants have approximately 65 gallons of blood. If it had "gallons of blood per second gushing out" it would have completely bled out in under 30 seconds, this is assuming no blood loss at all until all the bullet holes were made, and it kept bleeding until completely empty (which does not happen). I'd have to say your exaggerating about the bleed rate. Let's stick to reality.
LOL
Teddy Roosevelt was an avid hunter, ......while we are addressing animals, and its Friday.....
People feared these great beasts.
It wasnt just a sport, or a trophy to the masses....they feared the beasts, and felt it was a good thing to hunt them.
Sharks felt a similar social hatred after Jaws.
But i credit the circus too, for giving me the few hours i had with the elephants.
The old ones were worn down, and didnt care or were as annoyed as they could show.
The youmg were curious and exceptionally communicative.
Only ruined by the snap of a switch on their ass or side, to make me think this wasnt right.
We would never hit a dog to train.
Quoted from volcanodiver:Elephants have approximately 65 gallons of blood. If it had "gallons of blood per second gushing out" it would have completely bled out in under 30 seconds, this is assuming no blood loss at all until all the bullet holes were made, and it kept bleeding until completely empty (which does not happen). I'd have to say your exaggerating about the bleed rate. Let's stick to reality.
Look at the video. A bunch of cops shot him all at once. The blood didn't start gushing out until the elephant fell down, chest falling forward. It's been years since I saw it but it was pouring out.
Quoted from OLDPINGUY:Teddy Roosevelt was an avid hunter, ......while we are addressing animals, and its Friday.....
People feared these great beasts.
It wasnt just a sport, or a trophy to the masses....they feared the beasts, and felt it was a good thing to hunt them.
Sharks felt a similar social hatred after Jaws.
But i credit the circus too, for giving me the few hours i had with the elephants.
The old ones were worn down, and didnt care or were as annoyed as they could show.
The youmg were curious and exceptionally communicative.
Only ruined by the snap of a switch on their ass or side, to make me think this wasnt right.
We would never hit a dog to train.
An elephant is a very big animal with a very thick hide. The snap of a switch would be a minor nuisance at most.
Quoted from CrazyLevi:PETA ... are extremists....
And I always thought it stood for "People Eating Tasty Animals".
Quoted from vicjw66:Look at the video. A bunch of cops shot him all at once. The blood didn't start gushing out until the elephant fell down, chest falling forward. It's been years since I saw it but it was pouring out.
Ive seen the video, I think it was in Hawaii, but I could be wrong. It does not change the fact that it was not pouring out gallons per second. That was jut an emotional based over-exaggeration of the situation.
Quoted from volcanodiver:so it killed someone at the "so much better" sanctuary, but not at the "evil" circus. Seems a bit backward to me.
Talk about missing the point.
its sad. I also am all for animal rights. and ethical treatment. Just sad that there wasn't some way to keep some of the stuff. If you want to really see what PETA is all about find the Penn & teller show BS episode about PETA.
Quoted from volcanodiver:Elephants have approximately 65 gallons of blood.
I never understood why some vampires who are conflicted with drinking blood from humans and turn to rats to survive just don't go to Africa and feast on 65 galloons of blood from an elephant.
My wife and I went to Africa more than a decade ago and one of the most amazing things we saw was a young bull elephant being attacked by 3 young male lions.
The elephant violently shook off one of the lions and quickly stomped on it with its massive, bulkhead-like leg, literally flattening the lion's rib cage while internal organs shot out through its mouth. Having seen this, the other 2 lions bolted into the brush.
Afterwards, the elephant stood almost motionless in the same spot for close to 10 minutes before proceeding to a watering hole for a drink.
I like elephants.
The last couple of times I took my family to their show it was absolutely horrible and a complete waste of money. Their quality was certainly waning over the last few years so it is not surprising at all that they went out of business.
Quoted from VolunteerPin:The last couple of times I took my family to their show it was absolutely horrible and a complete waste of money. Their quality was certainly waning over the last few years so it is not surprising at all that they went out of business.
Agreed, but the tickets are very cheap.
It is certainly not the Ringling Brother Circus I remember as a kid with 3 rings, seemingly 100 clowns and multiple animal and high wire acts.
Quoted from pezpunk:Talk about missing the point.
He understood what happened and made his own point.
Hopefully you cruised in the Tesla to the Inauguration. What a great day
Quoted from Mike_J:I like elephants.
I do too. My favorite Zoo animal.
Quoted from MrBally:He understood what happened and made his own point.
Hopefully you cruised in the Tesla to the Inauguration. What a great day
I'll be there tomorrow.
As for his post: when someone makes an intentionally obtuse and unintelligent rebuttal, I will call them out on it.
Quoted from volcanodiver:Ive seen the video, I think it was in Hawaii, but I could be wrong. It does not change the fact that it was not pouring out gallons per second. That was jut an emotional based over-exaggeration of the situation.
I'm not an emotional person on the subject. And seriously, get off it already. Does it really matter?
Quoted from pezpunk:I'll be there tomorrow.
As for his post: when someone makes an intentionally obtuse and unintelligent rebuttal, I will call them out on it.
So you're going to only quote yourself from now on, good.
Quoted from vicjw66:I'm not an emotional person on the subject. And seriously, get off it already. Does it really matter?
Yes, let's keep the discussion in reality not blood soaked fantasy.
Quoted from volcanodiver:Yes, let's keep the discussion in reality not blood soaked fantasy.
Whatever dude. It was gallons. A freakin river of blood. Makes no difference to the story. Go nit pick somewhere else.
Quoted from vicjw66:Whatever dude. It was gallons. A freakin river of blood. Makes no difference to the story. Go nit pick somewhere else.
I'm sure there were gallons in total, not per second.
Quoted from OLDPINGUY:Teddy Roosevelt was an avid hunter, ......while we are addressing animals, and its Friday.....
People feared these great beasts.
It wasnt just a sport, or a trophy to the masses....they feared the beasts, and felt it was a good thing to hunt them.
Interestingly Teddy Roosevelt's love of hunting led him to establish the groundwork for most of our conservation of natural resources. He established the Forest Service, the Antiquities Act, and protected 230 million acres of forests by establishing hundreds of national forests, parks, monuments, and preserves. It sounds ironic considering all that spawned out of killing of animals, but it was due to his his direct contact with nature and wildlife that made him respect and want to preserve it all.
Quoted from pezpunk:I'll be there tomorrow.
Are you going to the Women's March on Washington?
Quoted from Baiter:Interestingly Teddy Roosevelt's love of hunting led him to establish the groundwork for most of our conservation of natural resources. He established the Forest Service, the Antiquities Act, and protected 230 million acres of forests by establishing hundreds of national forests, parks, monuments, and preserves. It sounds ironic considering all that spawned out of killing of animals, but it was due to his his direct contact with nature and wildlife that made him respect and want to preserve it all.
Kiss it all goodbye, lol.
Quoted from Baiter:Interestingly Teddy Roosevelt's love of hunting led him to establish the groundwork for most of our conservation of natural resources. He established the Forest Service, the Antiquities Act, and protected 230 million acres of forests by establishing hundreds of national forests, parks, monuments, and preserves. It sounds ironic considering all that spawned out of killing of animals, but it was due to his his direct contact with nature and wildlife that made him respect and want to preserve it all.
Setting up his own private game reserves. LOL.
I'm sure I read somewhere that Teddy Roosevelt used to just take off to go hunting and be completely incommunicado with anyone during his presidency often for days/week at a time.
Try imagining that scenario happening today.
Quoted from trunchbull:Kiss it all goodbye, lol.
Lets hope not, but considering the laws were changed the first day the house went in session this year to allow federal lands to be given away without respect to value, far the fear seems justified so far.
Quoted from pinsanity:Setting up his own private game reserves. LOL.
I'm sure I read somewhere that Teddy Roosevelt used to just take off to go hunting and be completely incommunicado with anyone during his presidency often for days at a time.
Try imagining that scenario happening today.
He did... but if you think congressmen and presidents actually work more today, you're in for a bit of a surprise.
Quoted from Baiter:He did... but if you think congressmen and presidents actually work more today, you're in for a bit of a surprise.
Maybe it wouldn't be such a bad thing. Hehe.
Uh oh drifting into politics.
And back to the circus topic......wonder what those performers whose family legacy dates back almost 100 years are now going to do? Another circus in Europe?
Quoted from badbilly27:And back to the circus topic......wonder what those performers whose family legacy dates back almost 100 years are now going to do? Another circus in Europe?
Reality shows are the new circus.
Quoted from volcanodiver:so it killed someone at the "so much better" sanctuary, but not at the "evil" circus. Seems a bit backward to me.
I said it was an ex zoo animal that killed. Btw Our Madison's zoo did have another elephant that killed, here at the zoo. Pulled a boy between the bars
Quoted from presqueisle:I said it was an ex zoo animal that killed. Btw Our Madison's zoo did have another elephant that killed, here at the zoo. Pulled a boy between the bars
Volcano diver says:
"Do you have evidence the elephant killed the boy? Or was it actually blunt force trauma from striking the bars as he was being pulled in? Let's work with facts here!"
wow a bunch of pinball guys are suddenly animal care experts ! I ask how many here have actually spent any time behind the scenes of ringling or any other circus ?? lets bring up a few isolated incidents out of thousands of performance ! lets keep pinside to pinball . where is that kiss code ??
I took my daughter and her boyfriend to the circus today here in Birmingham. It was a packed house. I guess since the word is out that they are shutting down, everyone is wanting to see them one last time.
It was a good show! The dogs, tigers, lions horses looked to be well taken care of.
Glad I went.
This is unrelated to circuses but not to elephants or zoos. When I was in Junior High we took a field trip to the Indy Zoo. They were giving elephant rides for 20 bucks. I did it and it was unforgettable. We did have to make a pit stop half ways around for it to drop some pounds.
Quoted from dmbjunky:This is unrelated to circuses but not to elephants or zoos. When I was in Junior High we took a field trip to the Indy Zoo. They were giving elephant rides for 20 bucks. I did it and it was unforgettable. We did have to make a pit stop half ways around for it to drop some pounds.
What's it like to sit on an elephant while it takes a dump?
Went to the circus just about every year with my parents as a child and it was one of the best times of my life. I'm very sorry to see it go by the wayside.
Quoted from CrazyLevi:Volcano diver says:
"Do you have evidence the elephant killed the boy? Or was it actually blunt force trauma from striking the bars as he was being pulled in? Let's work with facts here!"
Wtf are you talking about?
Quoted from volcanodiver:Wtf are you talking about?
He's talking about your intentional obtuseness and nakedly facile attempt to pin an animal's damaged mental state on the sanctuary it was sent to rather than the circus it had been part of.
At least, I assume the obtuseness is intentional. Let me know if I'm giving you too much credit.
Quoted from CrazyLevi:It is his fault. The circus is closing because ticket sales have been declining steadily for over a decade, not because of "liberals."
See what Lloyd says whenever someone complains about an arcade closing. "When was the last time you went?"
Also. Liberals or something.
Everything bad that happens is a liberals fault. All hail the orange one.
I am truly yanking your chain Levi.
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