Still kicking myself I missed out on the ore-order!
Been following this thread in anticipation and am jealous of all you guys. I whimped out at the last minute and didn't get a preorder. Kicking myself...
A shame about the apron too. Eventually someone will make a star apron, so at least that's not lost.
Curious, how many are on the preorder? I placed a deposit with Melissa at CT. No hurry, just want a general timeframe, months, years...?
Quoted from Rarehero:
They're receiving the original Dutch Pinball orders and distributing them to the people who bought them back in 2014. The Cointaker "new sales" games will ship later.
Good, that's what I thought. I heard from Melissa back in June. She said she expected sales made through CT to be delivered late this year or early next (crystal ball). I deposited through CT after I chickened out on the DP pre-order in spring 2015. Melissa said I was in the top 20 on her list.
Quoted from eggbert52:
For those of you saying the profits from BOP 3.0 aren't enough to get the rest of the TBL made, what makes you think so? 25 BOP, $12,500 per machine = $312,500.
250 remaining TBL with $1,000 increase = $250,000. The cost of each BOP to make is probably $2.5K so that's your remaining $62,500. Totally feasible.
Not sure where you come up with $2.5 K to build BOP 3.0. Good luck with that!
Quoted from Mr68:
This is my understanding and another reason why I want the remaining machines built. A library of code written by 300 owners verses 50 has much greater potential.
Parts scarcity is practically a non issue in this age of 3-D printers, hobby fabricators and Planetary Pinball. I remember a day when Cliffy was the only game in town.
IMO, I think Planetary Pinball could do a bit more, but that's a topic for another thread.
I think some big egos are involved here. Did they really poll all the early achievers? It's hard to beleave only 2-3 support option 1.
Quoted from unigroove:
...A simple "We had a problem with our contract manufacturer and are now moving our production to a new manufacturer. This will cause a delay of currently unknown length to the delivery of your game, but we're doing everything we can to ship you your game as soon as possible." would then be enough. Right?
Not ok with this group!
There's so much non productive negativity here; much from folks without skin in the game. Why would DP read it?
Wow, two days without an entry! I'll break that trend! I guess a little upbeat news scarred all the naysayers to other threads! I'm in with CT and can't wait to get the ball rolling!
Maybe she’s working on the New Silk Road project; China’s veiled attempt to look good in the eyes of developing nations, but in reality these poor countries will be in dept up to their ears for overpriced projects.
Quoted from Draegermeister:
I am pretty excited by the crate photo. That engineering sample in the photo is a major milestone. I imagine it's getting the "You see what happens. You see what happens, Larry!" treatment. I would be less excited if a good 2 weeks didn't pass before they approve the samples. If they get approved too quickly, a problem might slip through.
I too, am optimistic. But get real, it’s just a photo of a crate.
Man, like others, I really hope someone can pick up the ball and make it to the goal...
I want this pin!
Regarding the holiday... I emailed DP six days ago about a TBL PF and plastics set. Jaap responded in 12 hours asking about an address to calculate shipping. I answered in just over an hour. I haven't heard back. Guess their holiday started as soon as he sent his first email. Wonder if I'll ever get the playfield?
Quoted from tacshose:
I blame Robin, not the guys that requested the feature. You want a private group, fine, go to Facebook etc but last I checked I paid for access to all Pinside has to offer. I felt it was a slap in the face to us plus members who have followed this thread from the beginning and have a genuine interest in the outcome and progression.
You’re not missing anything.
Don't worry about the private thread. Nothing new really going on over there. I actually quite surprised how quiet the EAs considering how many have $$ tied up in the game and nothing to show.
Quoted from NeilMcRae:
I genuinely hope everyone either gets their game or their money back but the notion of a private thread disturbing. Part of the value of a community is the community, if more bad stuff happens and is only known in the private thread then how do you make sure no more people are ripped off? Its good that the court case is done though and hopefully this mess comes to an end.
The stuff from the private thread will leak over here.
Quoted from steigerpijp:
Well, My potential add-a bowling-ball mod never took off as it didnt feel right to introduce it before TBL production was well underway ..
But , if anyone needs a spare prototype pin,( for replacement only ) hit me up. Out of the original 2014 set of 100, a few got left behind in my shop .[quoted image]
Tell us about your mod. Some of us (me) may be interested.
Quoted from Roostking:
Thanks for the thoughtful response. I just cannot understand how people can judge a game based on a short video though. Isn't pinball about interaction, sights, sounds and oh yes, game play? Would you buy a car based off a short vid, probably not
Quoted from RTS:
I'm sure a couple of guys who recently bought the game for $20k aren't feeling too good about this price either.
I’m one of those schmucks with a $20K game. Don’t regret it. I also have a deposit with CT. I will gladly pay 12.5 for a hostage NIB pin. I don’t need two TBLs and gladly work a deal (at no profit) to pass it on to an EA.
I’m curious if CT is looking for ‘new’ money or will sell hostage games to those that already have a CT deposit.
Quoted from delt31:
If this didn't happen, I do think the folks with the deposits down should have been given "early" access to the 40 before being offered to the masses. Maybe 1 day or two then their game is released.
I think these were offered to those with a deposit (at least I was)
Quoted from pinghetto:
This is pointless to argue. And shouldn't be dealt with here. Much more important things at hand.
But, you have no clue how I got my games, what price they were, and how hard I worked to get some of them with second and third jobs.
If you'd like to discuss further, either of you, please feel free to PM me.
pinghetto , well said! Nice collection you have there! We share a lot of the same pins!
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Quoted from kermit24:
Is there a summary somewhere of the current situation? The 40 "hostage" games have been released? New games beyond those will be produced? Trying to catch up!
Really short version...
Hostage games released and already sold by CT/NITRO for $12.5K USD.
Future production unknown.
I’m not sure what the thought process was for CT. They were under no obligation to sell the 40 games to the EAs. They had deposits from many people. Maybe not morally right, but my guess is they were obligated to those with the deposits.
Personally, I had a CT deposit and could’ve got one of the hostage pins but didn't need the game, so I offered up my spot to one of the EAs at no profit or gain.
Quoted from pinballslave:
That rug was the thing that pushed me to buy in, believe it or not... and now they're sending them to the non EA buyers?? That's not right... surely... they should be keeping the rugs to send with the EA games when they get made... if I get nothing out of this, at least I want my rug!!!
The rug is crap! Ok to look at, but thin and turns to threads if you put it under the pin.
Quoted from seenev:
Cointaker's rationale for selling these games was: "if we don't sell them here, someone else will in Europe". It's kind of like if a mob boss wanted to hire you to kill a guy and you say "Well, if I don't kill him, he'll just hire someone else to kill him. I might as well do it and make a little money on it since he's going to die anyways." I think CT had the choice to not get involved in this nasty business but they chose money over integrity. I competely disagree with everyone saying they have no share in this mess.
I call BS, CT held deposits for many years. DP (and unfortunately the EAs lost), ARA won. CT stepped up to get games for those with deposits.
Quoted from jeffspinballpalace:
^^^This. Look if Barry has parts for 200 pins, he should assemble them and offer them to EA’s at $3k (difference in what they paid and new price $12.5k). There are 190 EA’s and same number of potential games. The big issue was always the license and with it reported renewed for another 15 months, this situation has new legs.
DP could plan to use $1.5k of labor to build a game, $1k in transportation, warehousing, taxes and more parts and $500 for unknowns. This small amount of funds potentially would allow DP to pay for getting this done. That means multiple people building games. Of course, it assumes building pinballs is easy and that Barry knows what he’s doing. I’ll check back next Summer to see how things progressed and count the number of satisfied EA’s.
That’s never going to happen.
Quoted from JodyG:
I am not sure my opinion of Cointaker will ever be the same after this. Sure, they can come on here and say "we are just doing our job", but the fact of the matter is that they were complicit in selling games off that were paid for and designated for EA's with EA numbers physically attached to them. They fact that CT is so nonchalant about it really bugs me.
This has been gone over multiple times. CT was as under no obligation to offer games to EAs. Even though it’s would’ve been a fantastic gesture, reaching out to EAs would’ve taken weeks. CT was, however , obligated to thier own customers who placed $1000 deposits for TBL.
Quoted from donkadelic:
It is quite funny watching new buyers try to justify their complete lack of ethics and morality in order to make a few bucks. Humanity at its finest.
Fact is, if you buy a game from them you are directly stealing 8000$ from a fellow pinsider. And when you sell it for a profit, if you had a shred of empathy, you'd give the profit to someone who preordered the game and got screwed.
Make a mental list of all these people, because it's nobody you want to deal with online or off, ever. I wouldn't even play a game of pinball with 'em. Scumbags.
I’m waving the BS flag.
Happy wife, happy life. The wife can make life hell if they choose. I’ve learned to compromise and pick my battles. Must be working ‘cause I’m still married and have 50+ pins!
I was one of those who backed out with CT. I’ve had a deposit with Melissa for many years but found another TBL last summer from another Pinsider and didn’t need a second one. I have cash in hand but didn’t believe in flipping it for a huge profit. I offered my spot to another EA so he can get a game without waiting.
Quoted from highdef:
C'mon Steve. You have a lot nerve calling anyone a douche. Enough with that authoritative tough guy act. Let's keep it real!
A few weeks ago, this guy came out of nowhere into this preorder thread and boldly stated that EAs "invested" in DP and that their "investment" was a poor one. Now THAT is being a douche. I'd have some empathy if he hadn't made those insulting statements or at least apologized and deleted his comments.
He gets his game and "suddenly" has medical bills. It sounds like he may have been living beyond his means. Funny how he had the nerve to tell EAs how they should have spent THEIR money, yet without EA money, this guy wouldn't have a $21,000 TBL listed for sale right now.
It's all about optics and I have every right to voice an opinion, just as you and others do.
I never connected the dots. Good argument.
Quoted from VividPsychosis:
At the risk of being harassed again... Any EA’s with a GB prem/LE want to skip the wait? Game is available for sale still. Game+$. I know it isn’t the way you wanted a game but it’s an offer that is available to you if you so choose. Still need to sell and it looks like personal raffles are illegal or I would have offered up tickets to win it. Also, last weekend available before it goes to a stealership for my 17 supercharged c7 Grandsport 3lt A8, 538rwhp.
Got some pics of the C7?
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