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6 months later
Quoted from ToucanF16:I didn't make the DP TBL pre-order A-team. But I just placed my order with Melissa at Cointaker so I guess you can say I'm on the B-team now!
What advantage is there in ordering now vs after they are available and you know more about the fun factor?
Quoted from sd_tom:So, hopefully game #2 they learn from this.
The lesson to be learned is to not pre-order. The manufacturers will figure it out from there.
9 months later
Quoted from BigLebowski:So scoring big is almost exclusively down to keeping the ball in play as long as possible rather than building up big jackpots or else by applying sophisticated strategies.
This needs to change. If there is no challenging strategic element, this game will suffer.
5 months later
Quoted from Rarehero:I want to know EVERYTHING so I can make an informed decision about how to proceed further on my end.
EVERYTHING needed to make an informed decision about pre ordering a pinball machine has been available for years on Pinside.
You just need to read through the various threads to see how it works out.
1 week later
DP's best kept secret on Pinside: Their second title that should've had 50 units built two months ago.
That totally explains the impasse. Thank you Dutch Pinball, this makes perfect sense.
Quoted from highdef:The news of a 2nd game shows that DP was looking to lock down manufacturing and save with larger quantities beyond TBL.
The news of the existence of a 2nd game potentially ready for production in December sounds ridiculous.
7 months later
Other than people who paid $15,000 for a BM66 SUPER LE, who in their right mind would get in on this game now?
After they admit they don't have the funds to build without new purchasers, you'd have to be beyond stupid to trust them to deliver a game before JJP#20 starts shipping.
I'm sure they started with the best intentions.
Quoted from frolic:Revisiting the threads from Expo 2014 are a trip. I guess I have to give Phil credit for knowing how to throw a good party.
I remember thinking at the time, what a colossal waste of money for a burgeoning start-up.
Quoted from rubberducks:Hopefully if and when games start shipping again, they pick up where they left off.
They could do a lot toward generating interest in the game if they improve code while nothing else is going on.
The stagnant code has little to do with manufacturing and assembly. It's just a reminder that these guys are broke.
There is ZERO reason for anybody new to throw money at this train wreck.
Quoted from jsa:until cash flow started up again.
And how is cash flow going to start up again? That's the problem.
They can only sell the promise of a game.
Quoted from eggbert52:Reread your own post. Where are they going to get the MONEY...to hire a programmer for new code?
Maybe how normal startups operate, having a viable business plan, funding from a bank, venture capitalist, savings, or friends/ family who believe in them. It would show potential customers some validity to their business, and could generate some confidence, and lead to new sales.
They are relying on strangers to fund them AFTER they ran out of money and failed to deliver. It is a last ditch effort, and does not instill confidence, and will not generate cash.
It's a longshot to think funding will come from new customers who can see they are broke.
Ask yourself, would you give them money knowing what you know now? It would be beyond foolish.
2 months later
Quoted from Rensh:Had dinner with Barry last Tuesday. We had a redactionmeeting of our clubmagazine in which I and Barry participate. TBL was not in the agenda but it was briefly discussed.
So situation is like last NSN. Work in progress so to speak We can only be patient and rest assured, they are doing their utmost best but it takes time and time and time
They have now announced in last NSN their German distributor and this is not the last European distributor. Hint: see on whose booth they are next week at EAG
Naysayers will use this as a Ponzi scheme but your money (if any) will be with distributors not DP. I see it as positive. Distributors care about their reputation and will not easily sign up with a company which they think will fail. For sure they will get more insight as we have and if this insight makes them become a distributor this assures me.
So (to) slowly but surely it’s moving. Keep faith.
So to paraphrase, DP still needs cash, has no timeframe, but hasn't thrown in the towel yet.
Really nothing new to report that would compel anyone new to order a game.
3 weeks later
Quoted from Delta9:When it walks like a duck // quacks like a duck // its a duck
But if it has a bill like a duck, it may be a platypus.
1 week later
Quoted from Dkjimbo:That said there is no way the current asking price on those originals DOESNT drop like a rock if the new version gets off the ground and are available in unlimited quantities.
There are probably enough folks who believe an original version is worth more simply because they are "original." The demand of the originals is still yet to be determined.
Any concerns of reliability or quality of the original won't matter if enough people believe they are special.
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2 weeks later
Quoted from Mr68:these high prices could be used as a big selling point to attract investors or possibly motivate DP-ARA to settle.
These recent high prices are a result of DP's demise and the scarcity of games.
There is no evidence that a large market exists for these games at $20k+.
Quoted from Mr68:While I can agree in general, I find that an odd conclusion you've leapt to. (No offense).
DP has already priced additional TBL games at 10K through Cointaker if they can get their shit together. The psychology of buying a 20K machine for half price will have people lining up to buy.
I completely agree with your assessmentt regarding the psychology of a $10k price seeming like a discount. We're together on that.
I misunderstood your first comment about the $20k price. I thought you were suggesting there was a large demand at that price, which I don't believe is true.
The $20k+ prices were due to the scarcity and represent less supply, not necessarily more demand.
11 months later
Quoted from Rick432:They don't even have the guts nor decency to tell us they pissed it all away.
They don't really need to. They showed their spending priorities early on when they only had prototypes.
We saw them pissing it away in real time at their extravagant party at Expo 2014.
2 weeks later
Quoted from davijc02:I got an email from Melissa at coin taker. $12,500 games are being delivered via DHL air freight. $12,500 is the all in cost for delivery to the U.S. and to your doorstep, as well as insurance.
Coin taker collects the money and released upon positive receipt of game by DHL.
Had the prices remained around $9k i would probably bite.
I'm sure a couple of guys who recently bought the game for $20k aren't feeling too good about this price either.
Quoted from Rarehero:Every single one of those deep pocketed people are scumbag trash people.
Every deep pocketed person who preordered from an unestablished company has a little accountability for their predicament.
I'm not saying what happened is right, but your anger is misplaced. You might really be upset with yourself.
Why should those who wanted the game but were more cautious with their money be the target of your anger?
Quoted from drfrightner:Wrong! The game is awesome despite all the legal issues that came before. People want the game, hence why we've seen some people trying to sell their games for close to 20k.
Nope, the game isn't as awesome as the resale price has fooled you into believing.
The rarity and collectibility has more to do with the hyped-up interest than anything about hitting this shot repeatedly to start a mode.
2 weeks later
Quoted from foxtj24:There is a reason Phil left when he did. Whe should have all taken our refunds and never looked back when that happened.
The time to bale was before Phil left.
It was after hearing Phil spew his arrogance at Expo. The same show where they wasted all that preorder money on a ridiculous party.
He set the tone by behaving like a rock star before actually forming a band. There is a video of his arrogant presentation which was a clue of the mismanagement facing DP.
Quoted from jeffspinballpalace:The party was excellent, but not enough to suck all the preorder money.
No, they used some of it for the blowout party, demonstrating how they proritized the money they had received.
Quoted from Mr68:Wow. I had no idea people hated Ben Heck.[quoted image]
Why do you think people hate Ben Heck?
The down votes could be for a condescending comment that "he's a man worth listening to."
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