Got notification today. You can call me, 1st Container Kim but I prefer Duderino #20.

RE: Power switch. Google stretching exercise.

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Please take a deep breath and contact Dutch Pinball before sending anyone to hell.

Sorry but you have too many layers of communication going on here. Beginning with you posting hearsay from a friend.

But then this type of thing does represent 90% of Pinside.

Oh come on man. You're in the same time zone as Dutch Pinball. Maybe call them or email for direct information rather than asking for Pinside speculation and uninformed opinions? - And you're not even interested in buying the game??

Sorry if I seem like a dick. But when you suggested they would ship a game from the Netherlands and charge an overseas fee to a European customer, I'm puzzled as hell.

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I need another Pinside vacation.

With the link Barry provided in the email I looked up our ships present location. Here's some screen shots.

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Having recently shipped a container from Japan, my only worry is that Homeland Security might select our container for quarantine. I know its necessary to do these days but it can cause a substantial delay. - I'm keeping a good thought.

Thoughtful friends have been posting on my Facebook wall.

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Joseph Hazelwood

Those are nihilist's in chase boat.

- But I'm worried. Is sailing allowed on Shabbos?

Woo hoo!! Out of the English Channel and headed due west across the North Atlantic. I'm watching this and wishing I had a joy stick.

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I'm taking suggestions for my Magic Girl T-shirt.

Looks like Captain Hazelwood is navigating from the liquor cabinet again.

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Phil-Gate. What a douche that guy proved to be.

He enjoys a heavy oil diet.

OT. - I think its kind of interesting that at least 2 of the 21 machines on the container shipment are coming to Colorado. Anyone else?

Got an email from DP this morning. Cointaker will be in touch with us soon.

Anybody that has Al Swearengen as their avatar is welcome in my house.

McCarthy for President 68?!?.... Well.... I do approve of the "68".

Call Melissa. I left a message this morning and she got back with me with in an hour. My machine ships tomorrow.

Got the call my game shipped. Sorry Rarehero.

Thanks Dude.

Here's a picture of mine, Gene.

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This has been mostly my experience as well. Only the rug switch is a tad inconsistent and I know its solvable. I did some of the usual fine tuning that I always expect with a NIB and this machine rocks. Wednesday night I had a Lewboski party and it was played non stop with "mark it zero" problems.
The craftsmanship on my machine is stellar and everybody really enjoyed it.

I'm playing with whats existing for now, otherwise its Titan rings for all of my machines.

I'm not having any of these issues but my compliments to you, Tom.

I know what a pain in the ass it is to pull out tools, evaluate a repair, test and re-test theory and then document everything with photographs. Even writing up an explanation and posting pictures is time consuming.

I see others helping as well and its a tribute to our community.

Well done, Sd_tom

I find this an impressive action by a company that intends to be a serious player.

I have had this happen on both shots, Donnie and Maude but they never once returned SDTM. I will be adding a small piece of dead foam to both gate flaps.

As soon as I stop playing the thing.

No. As SD Tom said, the bowling lane is sloped and the ball releases via gravity.

Is that Kahlua or coffee liqueur?

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This is what I was told also. I chatted with Melissa (on the run) and she confirmed it.

He's not into the whole brevity thing.

I have game #20 and love mine also. I had a party a couple months ago and went to bed around two as the party carried on without me. When I woke up around 7:30 there were people still here and playing. Out of pinball courtesy my experienced friends had shut off all of my other games when they had had enough of them but kept playing TBL. I made coffee, the girls made mimosas and we played to 2 o'clock in the afternoon.

33 hours it was played straight and it held up perfectly. Everybody loved it and one of my friends was a complete geek over it. Beautiful machine and extremely well constructed.

Since taking possession I've been quietly following this thread not wanting to say much and my heart breaks for what you guys are going though. But I'm confident my friends Greg and Brian and all of you will receive your machines and be very pleased in the end.

Yes. There are many of us that spend too much time here. Some pointing fingers.

Good to know. I will edit my comment to you and remove my down vote.

They are making a statement that Dutch Pinball as a company is moving forward, obstacles and all. Of course they're announcing their second game along with remedies for advancing both machines and the company's future.

You have no proof of this. Why not let them make the announcement at TPF of what their terms are before you start your propaganda.

"If you wish to unsubscribe from Russian Hacking, click here".

Prior to the announcement I was still optimistic that DP's long awaited explanation would smooth things over and give some clarity. When I read their email yesterday, I just slumped into my chair sick for my friends and embarrassed at my wishful support.

A $12K Bride of Pinbot announcement was such a slap in the face.

Please don't feel foolish by insensitive know-it-all's on Pinside. You guys deserve justice in some form and I'm keeping a good thought for all.

Pinball News usually records these seminars and puts them on the web site under the appropriate article. I just checked and they are not up yet. Martin often needs time to post them and complete the articles but eventually they do get posted so keep checking back.

http://www.pinballnews.com/shows/tpf2017/index.html

Those are they only two scenarios you see? I think you're overlooking the ARA hostage argument.

Thank you, my mistake and I appreciate you pointing that out. I have amended my comment.

On this we can agree to disagree. I realize I'm in the minority here but I believe Phill was mean spirited in manipulating Pinside with partial and out of context emails while trying to sabotage his partners. Any internal problems DP had should have been handled privately with a lawyer and not paraded in public.

Although Pinside loves trash like this, it was completely unprofessional of him to bring those issues here. On top of that, I believe many of the things he said were untrue and/or exaggerations. I will admit that Phill was very clever in presenting his skewed evidence but a keen eye could tell many things just didn't add up. Even present day I am shaking my head at what Phill did.

This is ancient history and my opinion. I have no intent to argue this point or go off topic. And I am not defending DP for this current round of problems.

They are in dangerous potential legal waters and attempting to negotiate a deal. They have to be careful and limited in what they say. I'm surprised they've said as much as they have so far.

There is no excuse for telling lies. That isn't what I said or implied.

Cool. I wish you had posted my entire quote but no matter, we can agree to disagree.

Now THIS is news I wanted to hear. Not some $12.5 BOP.

I hate to get ahead of things but right now I'm feeling optimistic again.

The Pinball News article of the Texas Pinball Festival has now been updated to include a written version of the DP seminar. No audio recording posted yet so you might want to check back.

http://www.pinballnews.com/shows/tpf2017/index.html

DP article is towards the bottom.

Wow. A little good news and all of the opinion experts with no skin in the game suddenly go quiet. Go figure.

^^^This^^^ This is what I meant. Thank you Tuna.

Sorry for the confusion guys with my misunderstood comment. Fact is, I am sick and tired of the negativity coming from people with no skin in the game. People coming in during troubled times and bashing on the unfortunate. They are always commenting with the worst case scenario based on total speculation. Know-it-alls posting their opinions after the fact and intentional or not, ridiculing those of you at risk. I've seen it happen with Jpop, Medieval Madness Remakes, Predator and others. And I have suffered some of that crap myself.

My original meaning was this thread was alive, on fire with negative comments and bashing. Then Rarehero post some good news finally and this thread went dead for 12 hours because the naysayers had nothing to feed on.

There you have it friends. Confident, bold, negative speculation and shaming of others by association.

Enough people have responded to this comment to make me realize it was poorly written and so vague its been misinterpreted. I value everyone's feedback and will try to learn from this. - Apologies.

Top notch music in my opinion and sound quality. No need to change the music files for me.

IPDB added a TBL category and put my photos up. If I missed anything or if anybody wants additional pictures let me know.

http://www.ipdb.org/search.pl?any=the+big+lebowski+&search=Search+Database&searchtype=quick

New podcast with Roger Sharpe was posted by you know who. In it, Mr. Sharpe discusses how he got DP an extension on the TBL license because of the ARA snafu. "Wasn't a problem" "Simple process".

The entire interview is good but if you want, you can skip to about the 55:25 mark.
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Hows your Alien LE coming along?

It's also Alien Day and there's a Pinside thread that's about to go nuclear.

As long as its a clean shot, I make it no problem. Flipper strength is at factory setting and after I got myself dialed in, it's become one of my favorite and most satisfying shots.

That may be but DP will still need to account for it and they don't need to wait on ARA for an explanation.

Interesting side note. My machine has no serial number on it or in it. Only the Achiever Edition plaque number.
I'm wonder about others.

I have another collector machine that came with a numbered plaque and yes, that was the games serial number. However, the same serial number on that game was also impression stamped in three different areas. It was stamped on the cabinet head, cabinet body and on the front edge of the playfield.
Anyway, I just found it curious and don't mean to go off topic.

Such anger. What's the number of your game?

.... Yeah, that's what I thought.

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Golf clap.

The code is complete. All games could use more code but TBL is complete as people who actually have the game have already stated.

Could you explain where you got this 40% number?

I can agree with this. But to claim only 40% was unfair and misleading.

You and Rubberducks make some good points and I appreciate that.

I guess I'm being optimistic about future code no matter the outcome and that may be influencing my opinion. DP is using a P-ROC system and it would seem to me other people could easily pick up wherever the code was left off.
Feel free to correct me if I'm mistaken but that's been my understanding all along and one of the reasons I was attracted to this project.

This is my understanding and another reason why I want the remaining machines built. A library of code written by 300 owners verses 50 has much greater potential.

Parts scarcity is practically a non issue in this age of 3-D printers, hobby fabricators and Planetary Pinball. I remember a day when Cliffy was the only game in town.

I find it irritating that some people with no skin in the game are cheer-leading for a lawsuit with no explanation. You maybe right and I'm even leaning that way after the latest news.

But please cite your reasons or intellectually explain your position rather than methodically and simply shouting, Burn her, she's a Witch.

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Disagree. Its his right to sell what he owns just like anyone else. Same as the people who are now selling their Alien and Full Throttle machines.

You may find it distasteful but the argument here is not with Eggbert but with DP.

I'm getting this message when clicking the video link.

"This video contains content from UMPG Publishing, who has blocked it in your country on copyright grounds".

**Not my words but translated for everyone via Google and re-posted. I haven't read it yet.

""Can you keep your customer's goods until he pays?
September 29, 2015
Every entrepreneur has to deal with default. That's frustrating: you've delivered your services or have already done work, the customer does not pay at all. Sometimes, however, you still own property of the customer for any reason. Logically, you immediately think, "He will not get back until he has paid."
The question in this article is therefore: Can you keep your customer's goods until the customer has paid? Can the customer take the view that he has a right of ownership and that, on the basis of that, he has to get back his goods?
Suspension
This article is especially important for entrepreneurs who have 'goods' from their customers. Think of the bicycle maker who has a customer's bike in his workplace. Think of the dry cleaner that still has clothes from a customer. Therefore, it does not include goods that have to be delivered to the customer, even though this section is subject to suspension.
Once there is a breach of obligations by the customer, you can choose as an entrepreneur to suspend your obligations. You will only get your obligations as soon as the customer has done so. This may also be if you have good reason to believe that the customer will not fulfill his obligations (but there is no shortcoming yet).
It is important that you as an entrepreneur realize that there are some exceptions to this possibility of suspension. If you doubt the applicability of these rules, it is advisable to consult a lawyer.
Retention
What about the customer who does not pay, but relying on his ownership? He wants to get his bike or his pants back. Can he rely on property rights?
The answer is (of course) negligent. With the application of the so-called retention right, you can also make an appeal to property rights as an entrepreneur. In short: first pay, then only issue of the case you have to return.
If you have to make costs to keep the case (for example, you have to rent a garage box or you have to do maintenance work to keep the case in good condition) then you can expect that these costs will be paid before you get back Passes.
In addition, you must pay attention to the retention right on time: If you return the goods, then you will still be entitled to your interest rate right then you will be late. The right has been terminated at the time of refund, even if the customer has not yet paid.
Can you keep the goods if the customer refuses to pay?
If the customer does not seem willing to pay the bill even after a few orders, you can not decide to keep or sell the goods. You will have to walk the legally correct road.
If no action is taken, this will mean a corridor to court. There will probably be your best choice to claim compliance with the agreement (ie payment of the agreed price). Only after that can it be a sale of the retarded goods.
In short
Does your customer not pay? Then keep the things you have left of him until he has paid. Is not he still paying? Then you have to go to court.
Do you have a problem that you do not get? Let us know then we will see what we can do for you.
Suppose that customer will not pay what now?
Suppose that customer will not pay what now?
December 27, 2016
In "Company Law"
Customer does not pay: what about collection fees?
Customer does not pay: what about collection fees?
April 5, 2016
In "Company Law"
Request bankruptcy to collect invoice?
Request bankruptcy to collect invoice?
April 11, 2017
In "Beslag"
Need legal assistance?
CONTACT
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Mr. B.G.N. (Bart) Gubbels - Lawyer
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B.g.n.gubbels @
Time to contact the lawyers !!
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I'm not certain, but this seems naughty to me. - Is there a Dutch Moderator in the house?

"Interesting. But what about if you buy a product from a manufacturer (ARA), a price, and the manufacturer suddenly wants more money?"

Did he bow out or was he forced out. I believe the latter.

Sorry Larry but I don't follow your logic. Being forced out by majority investors is not a choice. He may have made choices on his way out the door but those were most likely choices of self interest.

This is what I believe happened.

No time or desire to argue my friend. I'm off on the town to get twisted with some friends.
We can agree to disagree.

At least they didn't make an exit plan last September and begin a Hydrofoil company.

During the brief Pintasia agreement with Jpop, at least one Magic Girl and a few RAZA spots were quietly sold behind the scenes. And other spots were sold prior to delivery from American Pinball that no one heard about at the time.

I'm glad Rarehero got his money no matter how it was done. I hope others find a remedy also.

You just made my day. Thanks man.

Jesus, and I thought our government bureaucrats were trying to kill independent business and entrepreneurship.

Something tells me there's a hidden "Pre-order" joke in that.

It's all P-ROC so little to worry about there.

I respect and trust Nitro and CT and in no way wish to portray them badly here.

But the seeing and knowing more than us really amounts to whatever the manufacture tells them. Consider that CT is and has been taken a beating from some people in the Alien thread for mistakes, delays, misunderstandings or not keeping promises. In my opinion its not fair to them as I believe they were only passing along the assurances they were told from a desperate Heighway Pinball.

Also consider the legitimate and once respected cabinet marking company who publicaly stood up for SkitB in the Preditor mess. He trusted what he was told and is now embroiled in the lawsuit.

Even honesty and good intentions can implode caused by life and unforseen events.

For the record I believe Dutch Pinball is trying their very best and I lean slighly optomistic at this time.

I have game #20 and the music is true to the original soundtracks and it is spectacular. The best sound system ever in my opinion with top notch reproduction songs. Bad mouthing the sound is a holdover from when people heard DP couldn't get the licence.

As far as code is concerned it's very good and better than many Sterns. The video that was posted in this thread a few days ago is my machine. The video is over two hours long and the 3 person crew that played and recorded it absolutely loved the game play.

And go ahead and discount DP concerning future code if you like. (I don't, but no matter.)
After some of the home brew guys get a hold of this P-ROC system it will game over.

Knox giggling uncontrollably when you drain to quickly.

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Has anyone pre-ordered or know of anyone that has ordered TBL 2.0 recently? I'm not talking about Early Achievers but new blood during these difficult times.
I realise my question is kind of useless here but I'm curious about how many they might have on the books.
The higher price and completely changed environment has me wondering.

I don't know about the reset and that's the first I've become aware of them. I will be sending that link to DP for them to review.

I heard back from Barry almost immediately and they are sending me the PROC fix kit. Outside of minor tweaks this has been the only issue my game has had and it's been rock solid for a year (?) now.

He's a pinball slut. I won't be surprised to see him outed next for sexual misconduct.

I give him credit for being creative and smart but I think it foolish for anyone to take him up on the deal for the reasons you mentioned. Correct me if I'm wrong but last I saw, TBL's were selling in the 12-15000 range. And isn't pricing for a new TBL, if they ever get made, at $10,000?

Do I have those numbers correct or have things changed?

Please read my comment again. I give him credit for making a smart and creative offer. But if you like, I will restate some of my words for you here:

**But I think it foolish "If I" were to take him up on the deal*

Completely agree and I see no harm in his trying and I congratulate him. If I were in his situation, I would be attempting the same deal.

First of all, I think you have an overactive imagination and I'm not sure where you are coming up with such things. And your rant is so rambling its hard to answer anything. I'm not trying to be insulting but I'm assuming that you're a newbie in the hobby? I'll guess 2 or 3 years?

Where has it been reported the older version will not be supported? Thats bullshit. It "is" support and its bascialy a P-ROC system. And I'm guessing you will need to Google P-ROC now to educate yourself.

Under what possible circumstances would a whole new playfield be needed? Because of different boards? Wow....

Where are all of these reports? There were some general issues in the beginning but I haven't seen anything in months here. Last I checked, the DP tech help webpage has been dead with no one reporting issues.

The only issue I've personally had in over a year(?) ownership was some buffering and DP sent me a P-ROC kit for it.

Who did you hear this from? Did you just exaggerate that entire statement or do you have some proof? Especially the no way to fix it part.
I'll just go ahead and call bullshit now as Sunshine Laundry is in NYC and you live in Charlotte, NC.

Cool! Prototypes have way more value to collectors. Another item you seem to be unaware of.

Man, there is so much wrong with what you posted I only tackled what I could in one outing.

Dude, you have zero credibility with me. None.

Relax man, I sold Magic Girl to Kaneda and I never even touched the box.

The only issue I've ever had was the buffering which seems to be fixed after installing the P-ROC kit. I intend to have another Big Lebowski party for local Pinsiders so we can marathon test it again.

I agree. RTR has been a class act during a long and difficult time.
And of course I wish the best for everyone waiting on the their machines.

Deleted my snarky comment.
...changes in attitude, changes in latitude.

Good one Jim, nice edit. Pinside said I beat you by 4 seconds.

New ones are $10,000 now. Check with Cointaker or Nitro.

If you received a machine you may have been dropped off from the newsletter list. I reached out and requested to be put back on.

Or the other way around but I agree it is a mystery why lawsuits have not been filed. I know laws are different in Europe but here in the states they would have gone nuclear by now. In some countries the loser pays the oppositions legal fees etc.
Did both sides decided it's not worth the cost or the chance and this will be a stalemate in perpetuity? I'm really curious about it all.

Do they have an investor or anyone looking at them?