Quoted from Tuna_Delight:
with the upcoming Laseriffic topper (please)? You know ... just for comparison sake!
Any truth to this?
Everyone wants more, faster and better updates but I'm hoping for a quality product and that takes time. Fingers crossed.
Quoted from pinballslave:
What is more important to DP: Getting a game made on schedule or making sure the game is reliable and with complete code? (one that came to my mind).
I would skip that one. If they answered either way would hurt sales/reputation so why would they even address that?
And we have some incredibly talented Pinsiders here who can figure out anything. Great news.
Quoted from highdef:
You can definitely get your $$$ back.
I can't see this being like WOZ where they have enough spare inventory to sell. The theme sells itself so even if a preorder person gets out there enough buyers waiting when it's ready to roll out. But only when shipping would those buyers want in.
It has to be the original source since DP would never have a way to get it back either I guess. Not the best situation but it was a big mess. I just hope it gets sorted out correctly.
Nothing based on past efforts should prevent anything for home use. Its only going to drive up future sales.
Got April Fools out of the way so next news should be what we've been waiting for.
counting cabinets/boxes from the photos looks like 37+ on top of what's already shipped? Will be nice to see enough cabs lined up that could include your number at some point.
About a month or less away from the dreaded August mandatory vacation. Wonder if they will get to 50 shipped before then?
Well the only good thing for the high number people is that hurricane season ends in the Atlantic in November!
How come the vessel update still shows 7/28? I thought we could track it more frequently?
Let us know how the spacing is on the blades once installed. Hopefully more room to lift the playfield unlike STLE.
Maybe true but the harsh reality is without this price point for a startup company TBL never gets made. I'm glad it became a real product and am happy to have supported them.
It's time for DP to put up a completed build # clock on their web site so we can follow how much longer. Just a simple counter would be nice.
We are informed that ARA is spreading news about the issue. So we will do the same.
Our contract with ARA stipulates the delivery of 300 games in 2015 for a fixed price per game. Besides the enormous delay we had to accept (well over a year), ARA is now demanding far more money than we originally agreed upon (1000+ Euros extra per game!). This is unacceptable as you probably will understand. After numerous attempts to work things out with ARA, they have refused to honor their commitments as described in the contract. We therefore refuse to pay their bills and are thinking about starting a legal procedure against ARA.
Now for the good news! We are in discussions with several other manufactures. Our plan is to pick up right where we left off with ARA, and will be announcing in the coming weeks who will be producing our games and when you can expect to receive them. Our apologies for any delay. Thank you for continued faith & support in Dutch Pinball.
They could do like Dish and Direct TV and pass on the cost to their customers which typically happens but in this case no way. They had an agreement for a fixed price. It is what it is.
It's not like the existing owners are having zero issues to make us want to pay $1K more to get it faster. Look at the reports. Might be better to get another company.
So everyone seems ok that ARA can ask for more money midstream? Seems like that's the consensus after hearing another side. Not sure why that's okay at this point.
The problem with the "Early Achievers" can't be solved easily with us adding more money to their paypal account. What if 70% follow through (that might be too high?) and the other 30% say hell no? They can't start back up without 100% of us paying the ransom right? Refunds would be off the table.
That's a big 'if'. What if ARA needs $9,500 or some big amount to release the game if DP doesn't have the balance paid? They could sell them outright to someone else.
Quoted from Rensh:
As stated befor, DP is the IP holder and ARA can thus NOT sell the games direct.
Lets hope that's true because Universal has only allowed a set amount to be made. If those go to anybody it would put some preorders without a slot. Seems like ARA could only part out or destroy.
He should have brought a coffee can of ashes to throw out over the star and have it blow over the crowd!
Why can they just get ARA to finish the run and invoice us for what they want to release the machine however outrageous that bill is for? Each pinball has an owner so if they refuse to pay then ARA keeps or resells. Why wait for lawyers just bill and ship.
As you might know, today we visited ARA, the contract manufacturer of The Big Lebowski™ Pinball, to see if we can work things out. Last week the managing director of ARA left the company and, since he was responsible for the project, we had an opening to talk again.
After two hours of talking, both ARA and DP concluded that it was a useful meeting and that things look positive. In the next two weeks, we will review and work on a new plan, contract and terms. We are very positive about this new situation and will send you more updates when there is news.
Barry & Jaap
For those of us not as lucky as the boxed game people I hope they make sure production is completed before shipping anything. Otherwise they could ship out whats there and say sorry everyone else.
Lets all volunteer to fly over there and get a bunch of pinheads to finish building out the machines when ARA is closed for a month in August. We do the labor for free and they get all that space back.
At this rate we will be at the August month off. Say they get a deal end of July. We start up in Sept. After being off all August they come back and say all parties have been refreshed and now we agree we were premature and need to start the negotiations over!
Quoted from HighProtein:
There is a 50/50 shot that this is true, so...
Yes but its in ARA's best interest to tell you that the sky is falling and if you give us a ton more money as an individual maybe we can ship out your game one at a time. They have to be looking for lots of cash. Since the US customers are so far away who's to say you get nothing after sending ARA money? Don't believe anyone.
Quoted from KerryImming:
This is a horrible idea and I don't have any idea what good could possible come of it. The licensees make so little on pinball that I'm concerned they'll just say the heck with it if it becomes a nuisance.DP. The fact the ARA reached out to DP's customers is one of the strongest cards in DP's hand.
Agree, all of us will have to band together and pay him off now to stop from crashing the whole project. Think about it first.
Too bad the dude himself isn't interested in being an investor. Maybe he could use this as a tax write off?
Its an excellent product that should sell itself beyond the initial run. Stay thirsty and hopeful my friends.
Still nothing today, here's something to close out our week, good times in June 2016
That was so long ago it was taken with a film camera no? Did they have digital back then? lol.
The game sells itself so no worries reselling a second one. Theme is king and this is a dream theme.
Maybe not parts from the US side via Pinball Life but getting the same items built in China which is closer.
Too depressed to watch that video. I just wait until newsletter Friday for my pick me up.
ARA probably was advised to wait until later to start the process to maximize the damage it could cause DP. Terrible news.
Would ARA have enough parts in hand to build more than the 40? Enough time has past to have more built while waiting to be paid. Whole pins would be more valuable to them in the long run over parts.
We Americans get fewer holidays work overtime with no compensation and our employers here take full advantage of it. When my company deals with our European friends they stop working at 5pm per their laws. If we had that model employers would be forced to staff properly instead of working us to death. Enough said.
Quoted from pinballslave:
Who's mad at CT? Personally I'd have liked DP to have reached out to the EAs through the NSN instead of selling the lot through CT... but like I say, maybe it was the quickest and easiest way to get the lot moved...
Safest way. Did you want to wire DP 12.5K and hope you get one after losing so much already?
It would be nice if the flippers would send their profit back to DP. An honorable way to help the EA’s. Fat chance I know.
No it didn’t happen. I wasn’t going to flip it and am not going to have a 20k pinball in my game room. I just want my EA one someday.
You’re making all this too complicated. K.I.S.S. What if some EAs don’t want to put in another 1K. Do they go to the back of the line? I don’t see anything that helps for now other than volunteering labor assistance if you’re close to DP.
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