I just want TBL to be made again, but sadly, not sure we'll see that happen, with things the way they are.

I've got an order in for a Wonka CE, and I'd do an even swap right now, if it meant I could get a functional TBL AND there be parts to fix it with, down the road. It's one of the better looking machines I've seen, and it sucks that it is stuck in the position it is.

Hmm...well this would be an interesting turn of events. Regardless of the mess with the company, etc, it sucks to hear about Jaap and the prognosis.

And yeah, I want the game as well. After the EAs get theirs, I'll gladly pay you for a machine, once I know the game is already built. No "We'll gladly build you a game tomorrow, for money today" anymore with Dutch Pinball.

12.5K...uh...no one(I wouldn't *think*) is going to pay that much, to DP directly at this point, on a promise of a game.

Man, I should have made the offer to buy someone's spot out a few weeks ago, when it was a topic of conversation. I didn't think there was any chance we'd see movement on this, so quickly, relatively speaking, after the court stuff.

Hmm, wire transfer/check only...yeah that clouds things a bit....

Yeah, I use CCs for my own protection, like most consumers. I'm not as likely to try and wire transfer 12.5k (if I had it sitting to send). If it is just about the fees, I'm like dung...I don't mind covering the fees. But if it is moreso for protection against DP, well...kind of hard to argue against their stance, tbh.

The plot thickens, it seems...I thought there were the 40 only, as well...

The market may not be there for $12,500, ad infinitum, but I am sure people will be slinging money as fast as they can, if they find a way to bring TBL back out for $9-10k

And I think...I'm ok with that price, assuming it isn't cash up front The game is awesome, I'm just hoping against hope, that we see production again.

Well, to be Devil's Advocate here...Barry could go to potential partners, and say/show them "Look, we just sold 40 units in minutes basically, at 12.5k a pop. The demand for this game is there."

Now...I'm not saying this would work, or that any manufacturer would go for it, I'm just saying, he has something to present, currently.

Yeah, I'm sure they're aware that they won't continuously sell at $12.5k. That was priced that way for a reason.

They've got a long running list, I'm not sure how many names are on it, but they definitely have a 'list'.

I think CT/Melissa is talking about their personal machines, they are in the 1xx number range, as EAs themselves. Not how many machines are going to be sold, names on the list, etc.

Though, I definitely would love to know how many folks are on the list, at this point.

I think the bigger concern, if this pipe dream actually happens, isn't that it will be 500 games in before all EAs are made whole, but....

The belief that ~400 people out there, are willing to drop 12.5k on the game. Barry really needs to find a way to put the price between the original EA number (7500?) and the 12.5k that was used to, in theory, rejuvenate DP. I'm not sure there are 400 buyers out there, at 12.5k.

Being married to a Londoner, I know ALL about EastEnders and Corey!

No one is sending money in advance, anymore. Once CT/Nitro have inventory, then they sell.

That's ok...I've asked twice via email, and received ....no answer. Not sure what is better, silence or the runaround...

So.......next Friday?

Yeah, 300 won't happen before 12/31/20 (IMO). We shall see, though...

Phone or email? I've assumed email has been rendered useless, based on my experience.

I've been on 'the list' since August 2019, still no game. So....the wait is at least 8 months.

I'm honestly ok with the wait, given the current economy, etc. But it would be awesome to have some time frame laid out, based on when we were added to the list. I've never gotten a number/time frame/line place, sadly.

I will say, I was told those putting deposits down on the CT site, were going to be handled AFTER the existing list, at that time, so who knows at this point anymore...I'm not in that much of a rush, I just know I went on the list on August 8, 2019.

Sorta frustrating for those of us on the list, seeing them go out and immediately flipped. But..such is life and pinball.

Oh yeah...you EAs...man, it sucks big time for ya'll. I'm just a stooge that jumped on a list, no money involved, last year.

Yeah, I am. Been on the list for around 9 months now. I asked directly about it, when CT posted that they were taking deposits again, and was told that those of us on the list already, were ahead of the $1,000 down folks that were being added. TIFWIW.

On the same subject, my spot is finally up. I've been invoiced, after joining the list last August. But....now I'm having second thoughts...will some great 80s theme come out later this year, that I want more? Probably just the shock of actually being up next....

You guys are right. It has been my #1 wanted pin, for a few years now, I am ready to have one.

cpr9999 , I'm going to be needing to order that decal set pretty soon, now!

I've had no success myself, trying to figure out approximate place in 'line', etc....tried numerous times.

The lag times after payment are pretty insane. We aren't talking about delivery by horse and buggy here...across the ocean on a boat, 4 weeks should be more than enough time. Yet, some have waited 3 MONTHS?? Insanity.

Yep, here enlies the issue. I think we're all ok with the DP production rate, it is what it is. But the distro part, is where we're all struggling to get some understanding overall. That, and the lack of any communication at all.

No one is complaining, we're discussing the variance and communication, or lack thereof, from CT. No one is trying to forget the EAs, man....don't worry....it is brought up ad nauseum. I understand it, 100%.

BUT, without the CT orders that we're talking about, that lack communication and consistency, ZERO more EAs will get a game, so it goes hand and hand.

Well, after joining the TBL wait list back in August 2019, then jumping out last year during the disaster known as 2020.....

I'm back in! I'll consider it an early order, for a Christmas 2022 gift to myself.

Air shipped? Oh, we're getting fancy now!

Yeah, I think lots of folks have wanted to have some general 'idea' of line placement currently. If someone can acquire that, it'd be awesome, but I don't think anyone has been successful.

Gotcha. I'm behind on the situation, for sure, then.

I've debated that one in the past. If you (or anyone on here) orders that, I'd love to see what the quality is, once it arrives.

They’ve got a large backlog to get through, with just the EAs alone. I’m at 5 months now, myself.

Similar situation for me, its a race to see what is ready to be paid for, first!

TBL - Ordered 11/2021
Elvira HoH - Ordered 1/2022
Godzilla Prem - Ordered 3/2022

There is a real good chance, they all come due, about the same time. I'm hoping....that isn't the case.

Usually these updates come in bunches, but no one else on Pinside got their invoice?

3 months after full payment...woof.

You’d think that would make the timeline shorter, and yet here we are, still at 12-15 months.

Ordered 11/21/21
Invoice/balance paid 10/12/22
Delivery ?

Man, my credit card hates me, but I'm happy to finally be on to the next step!

Good point, actually....

Hey cpr, can you check your PMs please.

Next week makes 2 months since paying my final invoice. I was hoping for a Christmas present to myself, but looking more like a New Years gift.

Jeebus...that is....a while.

Yep, shipping notice for me as well.

Ordered - 11/18/21
Invoiced - 10/13/22
Shipping Notice - 1/16/23

Yeah, I definitely hope Barry and the team have another great theme in the works, once everyone gets taken care of, EA wise.

Because at some point, the TBL run WILL end. It has to. And I'm sure Dutch has no desire to just be done, after TBL, so like any pinball company with a semblance of desire for success, they have to be be thinking in the present, AND in the future. If EA orders are finally wrapped up in 2023, that means the 'cloud' is finally gone, and the company can move forward.

10/12/22 I received/paid invoice
01/19/23 TBL arrived

So I'd say it is still a good 3 months from paid to receive.

I would say mid to late March is more likely, based on past performance.

Sadly, I bailed on my EHoH. Really wanted it, but the price creep got old. 2 price changes while waiting, despite them magically finding enough parts for an expensive 40th run...nah, just a bad taste in my mouth.

Hopefully you get both soon!

Looks to me, like as of today, TBL got another $500 increase, to $13,500 total.

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3 months and 3 days for me, after paying the invoice. So I would think ya'll should be getting some shipping information within the next 2 weeks.

I'd be interested in knowing the time frame, when you get them. I wanted those plexi art blades for TBL myself, but wanted to get a feel for the expected time.

That is the (partial) rub. Facebook only right now, just gotta look for Custom Pinball

Yeah odd, they were on there, somewhere, it took me forever to find it before. Now, I can't find them. I was close to ordering them, but the awkwardness of a FB messenger only method of ordering, yeah.....I'll wait.

My TBL takes a beating, playfield/dimple wise, but....no chance I wanted to put a crappy playfield protector over it, before playing it.

12-15 months, easy. I'd be shocked if you saw it within a year, and the 3-4 month wait after you pay, is even more brutal.

That being said, before Foo LE, it was by far my favorite game, so I say take the plunge! Deposit and forget it for a while.

Glad your wait is FINALLY over, I know it seemed even longer than the 'norm'.

Only thing I put on my TBL (late January 2023 arrival), were spacers on the slings, to protect the art. I believe even that is fixed now, though. Hopefully that means any new deliveries are pretty much good to go.

November 2021 to February 2023 for me.

15 months is about the 'hopeful' time frame, but 18 or 19 is possible.

If you’re one of those folks who worry about play field dimples, I’d do some work before you play. I love my TBL, but it’s as cratered as my Ghostbusters is, sadly, even with flipper power dialed way down.

8 months, since you paid in full? Or are you talking, as an original EA?

I moreso meant if he was an EA that was finally told his was on the way, but it was 8 months ago. He is the first person I've heard of having to wait that long, of the new CT order folks.

I wonder when 'Last Call' will happen from DP for TBL...because the lead time is so far in advance, it is going to be a tricky bit of timing.

Only my opinion, but I'd think you're safe. There will be a time when DP informs the distros that it is last call, or something, and that will set the 'end date' so to speak.

Sure, ask some of those EAs from 2015, why they didn’t just get a full refund. Why didn’t they think of that??

FYI - Lior's first mod for TBL is up for pre-order, at least on Little Shop of Games webpage

https://littleshopofgames.com/shop/the-art-of-pinball/dutch-pinball-the-big-lebowski/dutch-pinball-the-big-lebowski-official-sculpted-toilet-scoop/

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For sure, I've spent more on other mods, so I don't find the price to be out of line, etc. Definitely ordered as soon as I saw it, too.

Once we get the official art blades and topper, I can FINALLY say my TBL is complete. Hopefully, we hear something soon(ish).

6 month lead on paid invoices now. Woof, that sucks for folks, but at least the TBL run is wrapping up sometime soon.

For those not in the Facebook world...

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Rensh, on a side note, any final discussions about topper/art blades? Are they shelved, with the end of the run coming? Or is there still hope? And I know that Lior's residential situation has something to do with it.