You can kiss all you want iceman but you got scared and couldnt relax man. True believers didn't waiver when Phil melted and we are here, totally stoked. You know why? Cause we believe in DP. You bailed.
A 2 minute convo with Barry proved to me these guys are for real.
Ectobar is right.. You're a loser for pulling out. This will be the greatest pin in history and the early code revisions are there to prove it. Don't be sour because you ejected man.

You're right. The one I played at a friends house (part of the development team) was ES05. The "ES" machines are the first off the line, the preproduction machines, and they still have small issues. Mechanically it played perfectly, but at this stage they are still testing some software stuff and being a software developer myself I know how hard it can be to let people play with software that is being developed. There are still bugs all over the place. ES05 also crashed a couple of times, but the overall impression of the mechanics (very solid) and the software, sound and visuals are absolutely stunning so far. I can't put my finger on it, but somehow their screen works better than the one in WOZ and Hobbit.

Back then, I found it a big blow for TBL that it lost it's original songs. Now I'm thinking that it might be better this way. With the numerous call outs that are quite long and funny and need to be heard, instrumental music is much better. Playing original songs with singing in them, it would get very messy with guys throwing in funny quotes. Playing this machine in a home environment also let's you experience how crystal clear the audio is.

You're overly negative Ice! Not actually based on facts since you mention call the sound "horrendous"... Well it definitely isn't! And please do explain what you mean with "clunky"... ???

The game feels solid, has good flow, speed and lots of action. Like it's very nice you can build series of multiballs.

Maybe you are confused with an other game...

Ice got burned on JPOP after being someone who attacked others for being naysayers on the game(s). So, feel he's painting other things with the same brush and might be a little mad the one pre-order he DID pull out on, actually is shaping up nicely. The man is passionate but annoying since tomorrow he'll say something opposite, just as passionately. A flip flopper turned up to 11.. best not engage as it's just too frustrating.

It's also the preorder club thread; should move along Iceman. Your revolution is over. condolences.

Doesn't seem fair to call him the loser. People get a refund for all kinds of reasons. There were at least three major issues to consider. Heck, if even one of them did not meet your personal smell test, you were advised to bail immediately! Nobody is a loser

I am a loser for believing in JPOP, what the hell was I thinking!

I'm a loser that pays ridiculous prices for pinball games and proud of it!

Ok, maybe I overstate the sound issue as "horrendous". I'm obviously not there playing like you and the guy that made the videos but its disappointing at least from the original song versions, not something I'd like to have to just "put up with". The music was a big part of it for me.

When I say "clunky", I think its evident from the videos, but that is probably true with a lot of pins when you miss shots, TWD is "clunky" that way. On top of it, the shot layout doesn't look great to me. The rug shot and bowling mech, and the upper play field is WPT not great.

I follow this pin because I was a "pre order" and still have an interest in it. Believe me, I've got empathy for people that have waited years for a pin to come, Woz got pages of hate then and still does, and of course waiting for a pin that never came.

Overly negative? Maybe, I'd love to play it now, but I realize its a perfect pin now that's above criticism in most of your eyes!

Come on Dudes, I'm wrong a lot, maybe wrong here, just some observations This is the "Dude club" thread so I'll refrain from negative discussion in the future here.

Ice think of the custom sound packages available for TWD, many possibilitys here

No doubt, that's what I'm hoping for, the "real" awesome tunes, with a sub woofer and rocking out like my Ac/dc.

I hope to "flip flop" again on this one.

I agree with Iceman. The latest video gameplay of TBL looks terrible in terms of shots/gameplay. Is this proof that the pin will suck? Obviously not. But watching that video certainly doesn't give me the feeling of wanting to get this pin in my lineup any time soon either.

I just watched the vid and I am very impressed overall. Looks like many satisfying shots. Ripping that spinner looks like fun. Left ramp looks very hard to make; kinda reminds me of Taxi's left ramp? Upper play field looks very cool too. Reminds me of White water - need good timing up there.

I agree that the music is fine. Vocals mixed with movie call outs could be too much and create a "garbled" feel. That being said- needs way more call outs! Assuming that will come with code.

Really like the White Russian toy and like the lighting effect when you shoot over there.

Only complaint I see in the video- they need to change the name of the "character" multiball. Pretty weak, not creative at all, too literal. Maybe a translation barrier with the Dutch?

With some good code could be a real winner.

Played this at the NW Pinball Show, not long enough to see much of anything (though I was standing behind this gigantic beast of a dude who basically toured the whole game, and got a nice view of the action). The flippers seemed a little weak, and it was too quiet to hear any of the call-outs or music, but the flow was nice. I love, love, love that rug toy, and the little car that comes out in the upper playfield is super cute. It did feel a little generic, though, with all the name-spelling going on, but I know everyone loves Lebowski and it wasn't super brutal like GB, so it'll probably be well-received on location!

You're right. Not very dude like of me to call iceman a loser. Sorry ice

I'm so on the fence about the music, for it was what really grabbed me. Other than the fact it's one of my favorite movies. Very interested to see someone put original music in and see if it is not that great with the call outs. Just please don't put in any fuc##ng Eagles man.

No problem Dude. I might be the loser if it turns out great and I have to pay more to get it later.

I was Jpopping during that time frame of Phil gate so all kinds of shit was unraveling.

The White Russian drink and lighting is very cool.

Hopefully we can get more discussion and video going. Thx to the guys that have posted vids.

Compared to other new pin threads this one is sparse.

No fear is clunky
Sttng can be... Shadow can be

Tbl is not.

The biggest issue with the sound is I think it's kind of average now verse standing out.

The game feels like a 90s wms/bly in play and rules.

Re music.. I think I'm falling on the side of the instrumentals. If no one has braved trying to swap songs out by the time I get mine, I'll give it a go.

How so like 90's wms/bally in play and rules?

I can see build quality looks very solid.

My RS is mostly linear. NBAFB rules are obviously unique and Wh20 is a ton of fun.

The kind of objectives and being mode based. Contrast this with something like TWD, MET, GOT, etc which are much more about creative stacking, multipliers, combos, etc.

TBL has the usual hit something to light lock, lock three balls.. multiball.
Hit the shot x times to qualify that shot, then hit the shot to start a multiball based on how many qualified (felt like MM's multiball you start from the saucer). (this is 'character multiball')
Hit the target to start a mode.. then hit some lit shots

The game is much more like a twilight zone or monster bash then it is a recent stern. Those games were more about getting the objective than about the crafty way you set things up.

The upper playfield is neat in that there are multiple shots.

I couldn't really figure out the display much in my playing... they use the lolipops to show actions over the main video but beyond points, I couldn't make out what it was really trying to tell me and why things were different colors.

The game's mass and build quality felt like a big ol wms superpin.. but the flippers weren't as responsive on the example I played. The ball moved well and shots felt rewarding.

Well, it's quite easy... On the right side are all the hit shots displayed. When hitting several shots in a short period of time the equal amount of "lollipops" drop down in an animated way. Each score in the corresponding color (MAUDE:yellow, DONNY:blue, ball lock:green, nihilist target:orange and so on...). Think this is really nicely done.

Yesterday had to move the machine... That was the reminder how heavy the thing is. It's really a monster!

Also seen many comment on the flipper strength... In the current software standard strength settings are oke. You can adjust/increase the strength to such a level there is more than enough coiljuice flowing!
- Nothing to worry about, Dudes!

I just dropped,in to see what condition my condition was in.

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Is it as heavy as WOZ is or more ? That one is a beast too. I can't wait to have this arrive.

Prob not.. TBL is standard vs WOZ wide body. extra wood weight. But otherwise prob close.. bowling alley at least weighs as much as one of WOZs additional upper playfields.

It used to be like this, but starting from v1.14 (Nov 6 2015) "Skillshot bonus category is now more in balance with other bonus categories. Now a normal skillshot is 25k in bonus and a super skillshot 125k. It used to be the entire skillshot value, which made skillshots too valuable." http://www.dutchpinball.com/bop2/software/changelog.txt

I'm surprised that TBL doesn't seem to have online software update yet, although the plan (I believe) was to use the same functionality in TBL as in BoP2.0 as much as possible. Having said that, it's been quite a while since they designed BoP2.0 and if things can be done better in TBL, so be it. According to Koen last October, the code base in the two games is pretty similar. http://www.dutchpinball.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=96&p=561#p561

Does TBL support live scoring yet? http://www.dutchpinball.com/tbl/live/ is empty, but it could be that the first lucky who have gotten their games haven't enabled this yet.

Huge excitement about it at the Northwest Pinball & Arcade Show this past weekend, it won best pinball machine in the awards and the line was 5 to 25 people deep the entire time. Most talked about game at the show for sure, most played game, most buzz.

Definitely seemed to be the most popular game at the show! I went thru the line four times myself.

A fun game even without the latest code upgrade installed apparently (missing rug mode completion shots, red lit sub-playfield during Nihilist Showdown, and other misc details that can be seen in JustLikeMe's V0.43 gameplay videos.)

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I hope you sold a few!

Ha! My two pinball nerd buddies in front of the line on the right side in the photo.

I was one of those waiting in line a half hour or more to play the game. Absolutely loved it! Was going to stand in line a third time but thought why? I'm getting one, it's just a matter of when I'm getting it!

Anyone get the call recently to setup shipping?

Any ideas on production numbers. I ordered through cointaker as soon as they put the deal together . They could not give me a build number, but I'm hoping I'm soon after the first 200 that stuck it out. I'm very excited and hope to have mine by the end of the year or sooner would be great.

Oh, I forgot to tell you guys, mine came in 2 weeks ago.

Seriously? What # are you?

I didn't say strength... I said responsiveness. The ability to control the engagement, the tap, and how much control there was.

Sorry I've been missing from the thread the past few days, I was away over the weekend.

Got an email from DP this morning with slightly updated code, release notes as follows:

Version 0.44 (June 6th 2016)

Rules:
- Hitting the rug during rug modes adds 10 seconds to the mode's timer (except
for the "Where's the Money" mode where the rug is the main shot).
- Regular Multiball can no longer be progressed towards or started during
Character Multiball - this proved too confusing and wasn't worthwhile.
- Adjusted bummer bonus to 6.900 (down from 69.000).

Assets:
- New Bonus countdown background & text movement.
- Updated Bowling pins visualization.

Improvements:
- Left ramp diverter stays down shorter to prevent the coil from warming up.
- During attract mode the flipper buttons now trigger random quotes.
- The "Match" and "Female Form" music tracks are a bit louder now.

Bugfixes:
- After tilting, the rug would not detect hits for the rest of the game.
- Simultaneous Rug Mode & Lock shot now discards the Rug Mode shot animation.
- Bonus countdown wouldn't always have the correct length of background music.

Nothing too exciting, but it shows that they are working away on it - and it's nice to receive incremental upgrades when they are ready as opposed to waiting months for a big update like with Stern.

Nihilist

Can anyone confirm if they're accepting regular orders now, and if you'll be assigned a game number when ordering? Contacted CoinTaker almost a week ago but haven't been able to get a definitive answer.

The numbers were more about preorders I think. Dunno what the current system is.

Just kidding. Bored, sitting here waiting on the slow boat with #19 on it.....

You were way too nonchalant about it. We're counting on your report when it does finally land.
I haven't seen any of the early Achievers state they regret their purchase, so I'm taking this as a good sign of things to come.

I thought about it, but felt like I could wait a few more weeks. Enjoying the updates a lot.

I probably ought to sell a few games while I am waiting. No idea where I would put this thing right now!!!

Yeah I'm in same boat. So far, not selling a game has paid off. So will continue this policy for the time being

We're all boat pals! Can't wait for this thing - people at my photography studio are psyched too since that's where it'll go!

Can I get a job working at the photography studio?