But is that really the plan? I know that is what was stated, but until at least 1 EA game is shipped under this so called "plan", I hesitate to drink the kool-aid. Once people start being made whole, then many will start believing it. Until then, it's just more words with new games being sold out from under people that are owed. I have no dog in this fight as I am not an EA or a new buyer, but I have been following the DP drama out of interest and hope that those who invested get some sort of return.

We're still waiting on what the ratio of new money to EA games will be.

Yep. We sure are.

Waiting. And waiting. And waiting. And ...

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So, no real plan. Those sound like admirable goals, as you say. Whats the PLAN to make it happen?

Without a huge cash infusion people will never be made whole. The money simply isn’t there to make people whole before selling to new buyers. New cash from new buyers seems to be the way DP’s going.

While I understand the concept of the plan, until EA pins start being delivered, doubt will exist. The EA folks have been lied to before. I hope it all plays out the way it has been proposed, but we shall see.

It seems like you guys fully understand that DP announced a plan and has shown evidence of carrying out its early stages, but you doubt whether a) DP really intends to ship games to EAs at all, or b) regardless of DP’s intentions, whether they can pull it off. Both understandable doubts to have at this point given the history and that DP has yet to show movement on the key final step of the plan, shipping games to EAs. But it doesn’t really track to say “there is no plan.”

Most people consider a plan with detail like this:
After 50 paid in full new games are shipped every 5th paid game will go to an owed EA.

Until details like this are released there is no plan only new games being made to new money. Hope is not a plan.

Amen

MPT3K streamed "The Big Lebowski" tonight. Haven't seen it streamed anywhere recently. I think it might be from the latest run, but I'm not sure. Check it out!

See?

You can always count on a Pennsylvanian for help, the greatest of all Americans.

Dang the EA apron light show looks so badass! Just posted on the DP instagram about 15 mins ago.
https://www.instagram.com/p/B9HbiRYHi2U/

You can see a proto version during gameplay in action at

What is this a "proto version" of? Is this one of the Chinese manufactured games?

I meant a prototype of the EA apron. The TBL itself is built by DP in NL.

Thanks for clarifying! Guess I could have figured that out if I read your post together with the one right before it.

Don’t get overexcited on a proto EA apron. As we are well informed approximately 300 TBL have to find a way to new money pinheads, this year the whole DPteam managed to push out 1 for sure and perhaps even 3! So be patient, DP always keeps there promise, so EA will get there TBL after some more NSNL

Seriously?

Sure, there beloved friend Rensh helps them to give the latest updates and most reliable news from DP! Who am I to think he is just a cointaker? That marketing guy took off, all parts are in the hands of the best assembly engineer and now we have this amazing apron. All EAs know that this will make them happy sooner or later!

You ONLY come to pinside to make sarcastic remarks in regard to TBL. What’s your story? Any skin in this matter? Being a fellow Dutchman I sent you once a PM offering help if needed And where I can but no reply.

He is trolling

If this guy is real hewould reveal his identity.
Not even from The Netherlands

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My story is very simple! DP spend all EAs money. A clubhouse gets an TBL for free and refuses to admit they should have donate at least one EA a TBL, with other words they have the same attitude as DP towards EA as they have there money in the house! Then we get these nice posts of what perhaps sometime may be delivered at the doorstep of a EA. Meanwile no production volumes and no information on when EAs get what they paid for. Thats what i call sarcasm!

Dude - as an EA still waiting for his game, and who has been involved with TBL and this thread from the very start, I have been tremendously frustrated by DP over the course of this roller coaster of a debacle and have railed against their lack of communication at numerous points accordingly. Sometimes my frustration has unfortunately boiled over to include Rens as well who has taken on the role of DP's defacto mouthpiece due to their protracted periods of silence.

While I can personally empathize with your ire at the continued lack of official EA games delivery info, I think it's misplaced when directed at Rens. Although his info hasn't always proved to be 100% accurate, he has made a good faith effort at keeping EA's informed about TBL's status over the years, and has personally helped Barry to keep the game's production alive. And for that I am very grateful to Rens!

TBL's delivery and DP's communication have no doubt been a shitshow, but based on the info I've seen (public and private), Barry is earnestly working to make all EA's right as soon as possible. FWIW, although the effort has been slower than desired and schedule details lacking, my confidence that he may very well succeed in this is continuing to increase.

any bowlarama game owners out there (namco) if your game has issues I am able to help repair most of them PM me..

FYI someone opened a thread on this topic- might want to post there

FYI - I know my way around a 1984 Toyota 4WD Hilux and still have the Haynes manual around here somewhere if you need some work done.

Rensh will the virus affect your time line for building EAs games ?

Short term I don’t think so but long term I think every business is affected.

The fact that no EA aprons are shipped out is Also due to the virus. It’s waiting for the pcb’s which have to come from China and have been delayed a lot. But this doesn’t delay production.

And you just don’t know where deeply hidden parts come from China. You can order parts from Pinball life for instance and think you are safe but if pinball life uses again parts from China to built the ordered parts .......

So with the virus you just can’t garantuee anything. Just imagine the place where you life or work goes into quarantaine ?? What can you do?

Back to the question. Short term not and long term who knows?

Annnnd. Here we go... I really feel for the EAs..

Sorry for such a silly question. Where is the USB port? Looked in the back box and could not find it. Appreciate it very much.

Upper left corner on the pc board.

FYI on this site:
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/the-big-lebowski-official-club-thread/page/20#post-5522616

Wrong thread to post in. This is a thread where people have been waiting YEARS for their game.

DP just posted this on Instagram today..

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Fake news.

Any word on ea games being built ? Time line or plan to build them

Hey side question, do the new games come with the rug or did the rug only come with the original ones that shipped?

Thanks,
Jeff

Hey Byron why are you even here?
All you do is troll pinside. You dont even own a pinball machine.

Comes with the rug.

Has anyone bought a backup rug from Barry? and any idea of price? Mine is pretty ratty already but I love keeping it out. I feel like we need a better second run of these and I'd buy at least one.

I inquired about purchasing a replacement rug about 6 weeks ago but haven’t heard back yet.

Should cover it in plastic like my grandma's furniture in the front room!

Sure would be nice to get a high quality TBL rug as the one that comes with the game is so poorly made it will unravel if you look at it wrong.

Are we talking of the rug in the game of the carpet rug? If carpet rug I know barry has sourced once a better quality but don’t think any were ordered. Not really a priority.

Think we are talking about the actual rug on the floor.

I'm frankly just worried about someone peeing on mine.

...when I hopefully get one in the next month.

I'm willing to accept a peed on rug, if it means getting my TBL.

HELL ... I'll even take a peed on TBL at this point!

The carpet pissers did this?

Posted this a couple of days ago in the EA only thread as this thread contains also several carpetpissers but think it will be of interest for more people. Hope I dont regret this

In NL we have the Dutch Pinball Association called NFV. With approx 1300 members I think its the largest pinball club in the world.
We do have a clubmagazine which comes out every 3 months on paper (64 pages) called the Spinner. For this I write quite often articles but dont have to do this alone fortunately.

Last Spinner was a DP-TBL special with an article on Game review TBL, the story behind the loaning of DP of an ES4 TBL to the NFV and also an interview with Barry. I wrote the first 2 articles but I think you will find the third article written by a collegue the most interesting so I translated it into English. Please do note some nuances can be lost in translation but it gives you more inside info on what happened and current idea's-planning.

You as EA have first deb's to see this I think

Please also do note that this article was written several weeks ago and thus pre-Corona . With Corona now shutting down manufacturers all over the world (in fact I think DP is the last pinball manufacturer (besides boutigue manufacturers) with a steady output of games, who would ever imagined this?) every planning has become unreliable . After all you only need 1 part to become unavailable to halt production . For short term DP is OK as they just had a big shipment of parts coming in but long term? But this is outside every bodies control let alone DP. If Dutch government for instance would choose for a full lock-down no matter who you are you are closed. For the moment we are in so-called Intelligent lockdown eg businesses like DP are still allowed to be open (but restaurants-pubs. events etc are all closed and people are asked to stay indoor as much as possible and stay at least 1.5 mtr away from other people).

Stay healthy as after all that's much more important as any pinball.

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20. TBL extra EN hires.pdf

interesting article . . .

Do you have a link to the full article?

It's all a part of the pic, click on it and it opens as a pdf.

It all bodes well for EAs (hopefully).