I never connected the dots. Good argument.

Alright, many years ago I paid $1000 for a truck. A 1976 Ford F-100, it was white with blue interior and a Hurst shifter. I was stoked.

The title apparently though while signed over wasn’t a legitimate clean title and it was impounded and sent back to the real owner. Me out 1k.

So by the logic in this thread, if any of you have one of these trucks.. Instead of selling it for fair Market value, you are obligated to offer it to me first and then sell it to me for a price fair to me which is 1k, about 4-5k less than market. Am I getting this right?

Edit: I just realized the real world effect of every kid getting a trophy, and the whole there are no winners or losers BS some parents have been pushing the last 20 years..

Please keep this thread civil.

He didn't come out of nowhere... just because you don't know anything about him is more a reflection on your awareness than it is on his credibility and position.

Again.. you leaping to conclusions when you clearly don't know anything about the person or the situation. You're literally putting your neck out there just because you lost money you allocated to a toy. Let that sink in...

What I see is someone lashing out at others without a clue.. and when given the hint that they're wrong... just keeps doubling down as if losing money on a toy somehow makes them invincible and the world should now bend to them.

You have no clue about this guy and his life, yet you use your EA status as justification to judge and fill in the blanks as you see fit.

does this thread title say : The Big Lebowski Preorder Club (Members Only) ?
Seems like you have opinions on everything on every thread which is good. When do you start buying games, playing and stop spending your life on pinside?

It's a bit tough for a guy who lost a lot of money. What did you lose? Ok we don't know for the guy, but selling twice something doesn't make you an angel as well even if you're right to do so.

Go to your thread were you own the game and stop patronize everybody

Money they set aside for a TOY... and lost years ago... how long are people going to carry that cross around and ask for handouts in return?

Losing money doesn't give you any right to flail around at everyone and be judgmental... especially when they are just wrong.

Seems if it were nearly anyone else, it wouldnt be a problem. The way this dude was so undude like when pontificating and lecturing EA's, is why he is being called out.

This is getting old..

Blah blah blah. Enough already!

The DB said he would take $13,000 and a GB Premium/LE for his TBL. Doesn't sound like a medical emergency to me, unless wide flipper gaps cure diseases.

You are free to continue defending your distant lover [cue Marvin Gaye], but I am not going to allow you to throw stones and accuse me of statements I never made or implied. Get off your soapbox and check yourself.

Any EAs willing to take the deal and sell it to me, I'd negotiate something. I'll even trade you straight up for the fancy one with the new gimmicks for the later one if/when you get it. PM me.

Not sure of the guys problems but I wish him and his family the best.

However, no one is paying $21K for this game right now... period. Doesn't seem like the seller genuinely wants to sell the game if that's the asking price. I'd say that no matter what anyones situation was. Sure a few sold for $18-20K when we thought we'd never see more than the 58 or so games.. now the field is wide open for chances.. as slim as they seem, I didn't think we'd ever see these 40. People desperate for money price things to sell.

I've known many guys with a ton of toys that appeared to be rich, but in reality, they were comfortable and really didn't have tens of thousands to give away. Guys can be leveraged and playing games with banks to look like they are rich, for example. And I've known rich guys that appeared ridiculously poor also. So saying this guy is well off w/o truly knowing just because he's got some cars is conjecture. Not knocking the guy, just addressing the comments on here from people that act like they know his true financials. If he was truly filthy rich he could just stroke a check for the medical stuff, right? The story is perfect to ward off the criticism, to some extent, of a quick flip though.

Are you referring to Barry, and "Banks" as a metaphor for EA's? Sorry just seemed like a wide open door there. lol

Speaking as an EA, If I see someone flipping one of those 40 games that were sold recently through CT, or selling any TBL for that matter, at an inflated price, I like it! It may sound odd to some, but the higher price these games get flipped for the more I think I'm not going to lose so much if I buy a 2nd game for $12.5k and don't end up getting my original game... in this case I'd have effectively paid $21k for my TBL... So if I see them selling at about that price it gives me a comfortable feeling...

Don’t sweat it. People are just envious you have things they don’t have..

I guess we will see how serious Barry is about making more of this game depending on code updates. If there aren’t any more code updates I would say he is only going to make enough to use the parts he has on hand at most. However if the code gets to basically finished I would think it’s safe to say he will continue as a going concern.

It is interesting to speculate where TBL prices are and heading.

TBL’s have primarily been resold for $15k - $22k. Prices peaked this summer with a $25k sale. Now that an endless supply is promised by DP at $12.5k, one would have to be pretty desperate to pay $21k for one. There may not be any more games made, but the possibility of this has paralyzed the market for them imo. People will likely stand by.

People that want them for $12.5k will buy them once available. If DP builds it, consider it sold. Guaranteed demand for your product. The only reason that this is true, is the mistaken belief by most that the game may be worth $21k to someone else because of past sales. That is the rub, unless there is a large group of unknowing saps willing to buy the game for $21k, the games cannot be easily sold and flippers will be stuck with their game unsold.

When hype passes and those wanting to resell will lower asking price to what the market will bear. I think $12.5k - $15k range is tolerable and that is where actual sales will take place. Because as good as the game is - it is subject to breaking unique parts that are limited to not available. You can play a broken TBL, but if the rug doesn’t work and the bowling alley has issues and you’ve paid $12.5k, you’ll feel ripped off, even at that purchase price.

Barry might be able to build 50 more games with existing inventory before being shut down, but eventually the factory will close (it has to open first), and 140 EA’s will still be without their games. All this effort to build games and no realistic way to get a single EA their games. Ok let’s say 5 of the 50 games built go to an EA, because DP makes it happen to keep the natives contained. So a few folks receive a game, but you’d have to agree that would only be slightly better than none.

I’ve grabbed popcorn and will be watching TBL ads and following actual sales closely. I would buy one for $12.5k if offered, but if unique parts were not available in the market, the Seller could fugget about it.

My view would be that if he's serious about making more games then code updates will be a lower priority than getting the production going...

That sucks more than not getting a TBL after paying for it!

Just a suggestion, if the money is going for a good cause, why not raffle it off? Sell 250 tickets for $100 each. No one can complain about that and you could get more money for those in need. Heck, I bet you could easily sell more than 250 tickets. 350 or 400 tickets. Why not 500 tickets? I am being serious. I think it would be a better idea and more likely to succeed. If it was me, that is what I would do.

Hoping things work out for you and those in need.

Edit: I would buy a ticket! Maybe two!!

Very logical view with the exception of the statement “Barry Promised”, that seems like a tough pill to swallow. Does seem like time will tell if this story has another chapter or a scary ending. As for pricing my total Guess is that the market like Barry are Hoping 50 of the 140 EA buyers will take the bait on paying again which would total up their purchase investment at 12.5 + 8.5 for 21k. My guess is that’s why the market is Assuming the value in this range. I will say it really is an Amazing game and can only hope this finds a new path to get it to market for all. Especially those that already trusted and bet on it happening.

How many more people are going to buy without the code updates? If Barry builds more it waters down the rarity effect and without code updates the game is not complete so asking people to pay 12.5 for a game that all of a sudden isnt rare without code updates is a tough sell.

Is not like Dutch pinball is stern or jersey jack where you know code updates are coming and these more proven companies will get the code updates complete(unless you’re a ghostbusters or potc owner).

I don't know what your intentions are but the above is exactly what a shill (AKA con artist partner) would say.

You either:

1) don't realize how your logic sounds
2) are trying to give people confidence in a doomed endeavor
3) have fallen for Barry's con logic yourself

Don’t forget the new model of selling for the same as you paid of 12.5 plus another pinball may be a long term way to protect the investment. Lots more buyers I’d bet.

What code are you looking for honestly asking. After the last posted update the game seems rather complete to me granted I’m not a great player. Is a mode missing or are you wishing for added video content?

The game was coded a long time ago. This is not a new game. The programmer is GONE, but is the code complete? Is there a wizard mode? Does everything work? If there are existing bugs or features missing I would agree the game needs code updates but that's not been stated anywhere I read.

Understand and agree... I'm just pointing out that at the moment, code updates will probably not be forthcoming since Barry has other priorities, as bad as it sounds...

Well, I know for a fact that I'm not a con-artist partner, therefore I also know that what I said is not limited to con-artist partners... I said what I said because it's true... if I see TBLs selling for 20, 25k it makes me feel confident that the game I'd effectively pay 21k for (if I don't get my original game) may be worth that... it's very simple... you seem to be looking too deeply into it... that statement doesn't even support DP... It assumes they will fail... you said they will fail, so I'm listening to you... my statement supports your idea that they will fail.

Another one listed for $21K in Florida. LMAO.

https://pinside.com/pinball/market/classifieds/ad/85059

What do you I mean by the programmer is “gone”?

The wizard mode and some mystery modes are not code is my understanding. I’m sure there is probably other stuff I don’t know about yet.

Given those choices I'd probably go for 1). However, if I was permitted to add a choice I'd add:

4) Being honest.

And then I'd pick 4...

Just think people should be careful. The easiest person to scam is someone who's already been scammed.

If Barry shows new, completed games with today's newspaper laying on the glass then by all means fork over more money.

Since only a few more will get made they probably will continue to resell for 20k.

Programmer Koen has left DP indeed so he is gone from DP so to speak but he has not dropped off the planet and gone forever.

I know that he is working on a code update in evening and weekend time besides his day job.

Or even better, go there in my car, load the game, then transfer the money while he makes me a cup of tea...

That's the point I'm making... and if I see them selling for around that price, it gives me confidence that my total outlay may be covered... I would, however, change the word 'will' (the 1st one) to 'might'... unless you have an especially effective and proven crystal ball...

^^^this...I'd buy a couple tickets!

Only 75 tickets? If you only want 7500 for the game I am your buyer for All 75 tickets! lol Best to the family and worst case you still have an awesome game.

Sorry he mentioned $100 a ticket x 250 so I got excited. lol

If you are serious, I would start by contacting the gentlemen that work with this:

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/help-the-children-and-win-a-new-stern

I am always willing to enter a raffle that is a win win for me. I get a chance at obtaining something I desire and no matter how it ends, I feel like I did something good. I have entered that raffle in the past.

I would buy a ticket for $100. Maybe two for $75. And maybe three for $50.

I think it is worth investigating further.

I definitely think you could sell 200 tickets on this site alone, if the price is right.

I imagine Project Pinball would be happy to help him raffle off his TBL if half the proceeds went to their charity, but (understandably) that’s not what he’s looking to do. So you might get some ideas from checking out their operation (how to make the draw transparent, for instance) but I doubt they’d want to be involved with a straight up no-charity raffle.

Depends on state law. Most states require a license and a process be followed for you to do it legally.

Has anyone checked Ebay lately? Kman

I'm on the side of anybody doing whatever they want with their own games they paid for.

Do we cry for people that lose $$ every day on selling Nib purchases after the fact?

And before you chastise the "stupidity" of Nib buyers, if it weren't for us, there would be no new pinball. Your welcome

Unbelievable. Says he’s going to flip it. Then says he won’t flip it because he doesn’t think it’s right and a $7500 profit isn’t worth the weight on his conscience. Then waits until several other people flip it and lists his. Typical.

Is anyone seriously surprised that he has his for sale now?

He'd be better off selling it for what he paid for it since he needs immediate funds, for a family emergency. Seems he is still holding out for something more.

Iceman and Special K are buddies, so take his post with a grain of salt.

He reported getting a $19k offer, but I agree he’s better off taking that than running an illegal raffle.

And he didnt take it? Lol, some emergency...