So Barry and Japp weren't drawing salaries either?

Those two I don’t know, they were owners.
Just the employees

so, any of you EAs in for the full nice and shiny 20k deal, already got a response from DP?
Acknowledgement, time tables and so forth?

Super! Will you wager $100? All I require is some proof that just one EA game has been delivered within the first 10 games made from the recent stash of parts - and you have won $100!!

Let's see - I'm guessing he will build about 1....maybe 2 a week - so we will only have to wait until about June 2020 to settle up.

Just in time, to be too late. Convenient..

What do you call a shipment ? something like 30 games in a container ?

I think it is 40.

Sure, I’ve heard 40, although if Barry’s building them on his own he may just ship one by one to try to generate some buzz.

What do you consider to be proof? No sure I agree on your timing calculation there... 10 weeks from now brings us to the end of Nov...

Not sure what that means, but it sounds good!

I know he isn't but it is fun to think that pinballslave is actually Barry sitting with a laptop surrounded by TBL parts and procrastinating putting the first machine together by commenting here.

LOL. How dare you, sir!

So there are 67 weeks between now and the end of 2020. We know the Dutch take an exorbitant amount of vacation so let’s say 60 weeks. He’s got parts to make 200 games supposedly. That’s 3.3 games per week starting next week to meet the goal. That number per week obviously goes up every week. It’s taken Spooky 5 years to ramp up to 10-15 per week.

Can someone explain a viable path forward? Seriously. Not even talking about money. Just simple logistics.

Easy math. He only has parts to make 25-40 games so the pixies and elves will sneak in at night to make the remaining parts and games. Pinball is Easy (money). lol

Hope he is not selling of the parts aquired from ARA at 12.5K a piece and call it quits.
When I was an EA, that's what would worry me

Says who? On the podcast Barry said DP has most of the parts need to make 25-50 machines (implication is it'll be easy to get the remaining parts, build the cabs, etc.) After that, they're going to need to source parts more seriously.

One of my fave podcasts just did an episode on the Lebowski pinball machine. It's not a pinball podcast at all, so it was interesting to hear someone outside the pinball orbit attempting to tell the whole story without losing their temper.... https://anchor.fm/never-got-famous/episodes/Walks-with-Albert---The-Big-Beckoning-Lebowski-e5d0it

How do you know I'm not Barry??

I feel pretty confident that I... er, I mean Barry, is being very overly optimistic in his estimate of how long this is going to take!

Now... back to building these damn games!

Curious nothing more. In many of your posts you use the words certain, confident, I hear etc. do you actually have a verification you could share with the group or are you simply a wishful consumer with a commitment to sharing optimism? As this basically a How To not run a business story your optimism is interesting or fueled by something you feel is not worthy of sharing to the other investors.

Thanks! That was ... interesting. He didn't quite get all of his info correct, but he pretty much covered the gist of the matter.

I'm going to forward this link to Kaneda since he seems to be referred to. He supposedly isn't flipping "his" TBL though.

Its already been covered, There is no way he could get this done, without a large cash infusion and a contract manufacturer. Short of that, not happening.

I wouldn't call what I have a verification, but I do get some of my optimism from the horse's mouth as it were... I communicate with Barry and, despite popular belief, get the feeling he's being honest... the other element to my trying to quash negativity is that I want my game. Negativity on here doesn't help that cause, so if I feel it's unfounded I want to speak out because unfounded negativity may have an unfounded detrimental effect on me getting my game... people might be put off buying a game if they take all this negativity to heart, and I know that at this stage of the game, people need to buy games to give Barry the cash to build my EA game...

There must be a proverb that sums that effect up, probably involving Rome... "many mouths maketh a collapsed Rome" perhaps...

You're beating around the bush, and it seems about time maybe you let everyone know your connection/relationship with Barry/Dutch Pinball, if there is any.

You're vocal in your support of these parties, which is fine and nice, and you're free to be so. I'm not suggesting you have any conflicts of interests, I assume you don't, in fact... but if you do, let folks know. Cheers!

I already shared my connection with Barry many posts back... he's got a lot of my money and I want him to make a game for it and then give it to me... that's really as deep as it goes...

That's cool. You did literally just make a "who says I'm not Barry" joke... so pardon me asking for clarification. I hope for you and all EAs that a good resolution to all this will happen

This fecking guy!
https://pinside.com/pinball/market/classifieds/ad/84697

"Medical issues?"
I'll take the moderation punishment:
This guy is a turd.

He already elaborated elsewhere -- he's essentially having to pay for medical care for his inlaws unexpectedly. He's also been putting up his cars for sale..

That's not just flipping TBL... and his cars make a TBL look like a used napkin.

Its undude like to just jump to assuming he's trying to take advantage of the moment.

so, by your logic he should sell TBL for say $9K and then foot all of the additional costs for medical expenses that he's attempting to help with simply so that you (or some other buyer) gets the pin at what you consider a reasonable price?

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Are you seriously, with a straight face, saying that it'd be more noble for him to put a few grand in the pocket of someone that could afford to put down an $8,500 payment on a pinball machine than to use that money to help out a relation in need of medical treatment?

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As altruistic as your recommendation appears, it is difficult for me to understand how you insist someone is taking advantage by not sharing the losses with the EA. The responsibility of those losses rests solely with the EAs (and Dutch too, but prepaying is always a risk). They took a risk and lost a lot. You can't expect someone who is selling at current market value to essentially share the loss with the EAs. How is that altruistic to ask of someone trying to support a family member with medical issues?

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A 'fair price' is a term relative to what the market for the title is.. which he is doing.

What anyone managed to pay for something is immaterial to 'what is fair'.

Fair to me is less, much less. But anyhow, I wish the best for his situation.

Found the snowflake!

He's no snowflake, he's hard-core! To hell with your mother-in-law, profits are to be distributed only to your fellow hobbyists.

Ok, whatever. I hope he gets the money that he needs for his family.

Everyone here seems to have strange views on morals of selling assets as fair market value.
Curious if anyone sees 1) a difference between the following examples and 2) if any are more or less moral:

A) Bill owns a grocery store and sells, among other things, peanut butter. The global price of peanut butter went up 20% recently, Bill's supplier increased Bill's price by 20% and Bill subsequently raised the price he charges for peanut butter by 20% to his customers.

B) After the price of peanut butter went up 20%, Bill found he had an extra pallet of peanut butter in the store room that he didn't know about. He continues to sell peanut butter at the new 20% higher price even though the product he is selling was purchased cheaper

C) Bill invests some extra money in the stock market, ForEx, and sometimes speculates on grocery prices. Suspecting prices of peanut butter would rise, he had purchased an extra pallet of peanut butter prior to the price increasing 20% and now that the price has gone up, he starts selling that peanut butter investment at the new 20% higher price.

Did the supplier sell Bill peanut butter that John had already paid for?

OK that there is F'n funny. Thank you for that!!!

Even here, if you're going to be angry with the supplier, that's fine... but getting mad at Bill for selling peanut butter he owns at fair market value? Bill's doing nothing wrong

I agree. I don't fault the seller. Just making a joke about crooked suppliers.

Right. And how about this?

And this?

What.. proof that he wanted to buy a game? What's your point caller?

Do you have no comprehension of the reality that situations change as time go on?

Just drop it dude.. it makes you look like a douche.

Were you ever an EA?

Ah, Pinside, where grown men can hide behind their keyboards and act like 12 year bullies. Snowflake? Whatever, dude.

Does that give you a 'free to be a dick' card or something?

The 'you have to be an EA' to have an opinion is a dead horse.. and here it's not even an opinion on TBL or DP.. it's about simple human behavior. A guy is liquidating alot of his life to deal with caring for his parents... and you have the nerve to suggest he should sell under market value just to appease some other people who got screwed by Barry?

Get over yourself man. It's a game. Stop letting it turn you into something horrible.

He was such a douche earlier, now hes a saint? If he had real bills, he would ask for the same amount of $$$ that he paid for it just to get it sold, to pay "medical bills". Hes not. Karma for being such a douche previously?...

C'mon Steve. You have a lot nerve calling anyone a douche. Enough with that authoritative tough guy act. Let's keep it real!

A few weeks ago, this guy came out of nowhere into this preorder thread and boldly stated that EAs "invested" in DP and that their "investment" was a poor one. Now THAT is being a douche. I'd have some empathy if he hadn't made those insulting statements or at least apologized and deleted his comments.
He gets his game and "suddenly" has medical bills. It sounds like he may have been living beyond his means. Funny how he had the nerve to tell EAs how they should have spent THEIR money, yet without EA money, this guy wouldn't have a $21,000 TBL listed for sale right now.

It's all about optics and I have every right to voice an opinion, just as you and others do.