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#9151 4 days ago

I'd be in on one if manufacturing picks up again. Big if, I know.

It would be really awesome if a proven manufacturer picked this up. CGC, Stern, Spooky, American, JJP...if any of these announced they would be making these games everyone's level of confidence would skyrocket.

Seems like a great potential win/win.

#9152 4 days ago
Quoted from Rockytop:

I'd be in on one if manufacturing picks up again. Big if, I know.
It would be really awesome if a proven manufacturer picked this up. CGC, Stern, Spooky, American, JJP...if any of these announced they would be making these games everyone's level of confidence would skyrocket.
Seems like a great potential win/win.

"win/win". Just like this settlement i don't know why its hard for some to figure out what's coming next.

This clears the path for future production by someone. You need to add Pinball Brothers to that list above.

#9153 4 days ago
Quoted from flynnibus:

who? Barry on his own? and why? are they going to do anything about it there?
I think you have to gain some perspective on what is happening here. This is a bulk deal to sell off inventory to fund a settlement. This isn't a nice clean retail experience. What you suggests requires unboxing the games completely, putting upright, putting balls in, and then doing the reverse. Highly unlikely.
Cointaker or Nitro may do that for their games once they arrive here... but to expect anything other than boxes put into a container and shipped to PA... I think is wishful thinking.

CT let me know:

“The games will be ready for pick up by DHL first week of August and should be to us within 5-7 days and we will ship out immediately.

From what I understand DP will be opening a few of the games and reboxing them to make sure that everything still looks good.

We will not be doing that as then it makes them harder to ship fully insured.”

#9154 4 days ago
Quoted from RobF:

There are two paths;
1) Boycott these 40 and no one gets the games. They go in the garbage. DP goes bankrupt. 0% chance EAs will get what they paid for.
2) Sell these 40 at the inflated price, settle with ARA and there is something greater than zero chance EA games are built before the end of time.
That doesn't mean you are wrong in your prediction, but really it is the only possibility left for pre-paid folks.
I am curious how Cointaker is protecting itself from paying for a container of half-assembled, half-corroded, non functional games?

That's about how I sees it, too.

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#9155 4 days ago

If only.

#9156 4 days ago
Quoted from cpr9999:

CT let me know:
“The games will be ready for pick up by DHL first week of August and should be to us within 5-7 days and we will ship out immediately.
From what I understand DP will be opening a few of the games and reboxing them to make sure that everything still looks good.
We will not be doing that as then it makes them harder to ship fully insured.”

Sounds like a spot visual... 'yep, still a game in there!'

Thx for passing along CT's response.

#9157 4 days ago

I'm not surprised that NIB TBL's are being sold as part of the settlement. Hopefully they can restart production soon so EA's can be made whole. Will be interesting to see if it's a 1 to 1 ratio of EA to non EA machines produced or if they go with 1 to 2 or 1 to 3 ratio.

Looking forward to Barry sharing the plan. Sure, it's been a debacle, but at least there is progress being made and we can get beyond the ARA dispute. Would be a great Christmas present to the EA community if all EA machines are delivered this year.

Will also be interesting to see the price for the non EA machines going forward. Maybe they can do a Jesus edition at a higher price point that has a different translite. Same for a Donny or Walter edition. I don't see the game having the same appeal if they offer a stripped down version at a lower price point that doesn't have the upper playfield, etc.

With the way the pinball market has progressed, I think it's safe to say that seeing future production units at an $8,500 price point isn't realistic unless it's stripped down.

#9158 4 days ago
Quoted from Hoss_Coog:

... With the way the pinball market has progressed, I think it's safe to say that seeing future production units at an $8,500 price point isn't realistic unless it's stripped down.

And to think that this (or $9,500 in your case Hoss) was considered to be SO EXPENSIVE when we invested in TBL being made.

#9159 4 days ago
Quoted from Tuna_Delight:

And to think that this (or $9,500 in your case Hoss) was considered to be SO EXPENSIVE when we invested in TBL being made.

Yeah i thought i was out of my F ing mind paying $6500 for a Woz at the time!

Wtf has happened to all of us Insanity

#9160 4 days ago
Quoted from Mbecker:

Not outta the woods just yet — how many deposits does Nitro have? They can’t be getting too many of those 40..

Oh I know that. The forest is thick around this game but at least there is some news that leads me to believe it might happen.

QSS

#9161 4 days ago
Quoted from Hoss_Coog:

I'm not surprised that NIB TBL's are being sold as part of the settlement. Hopefully they can restart production soon so EA's can be made whole. Will be interesting to see if it's a 1 to 1 ratio of EA to non EA machines produced or if they go with 1 to 2 or 1 to 3 ratio.
Looking forward to Barry sharing the plan. Sure, it's been a debacle, but at least there is progress being made and we can get beyond the ARA dispute. Would be a great Christmas present to the EA community if all EA machines are delivered this year.
Will also be interesting to see the price for the non EA machines going forward. Maybe they can do a Jesus edition at a higher price point that has a different translite. Same for a Donny or Walter edition. I don't see the game having the same appeal if they offer a stripped down version at a lower price point that doesn't have the upper playfield, etc.
With the way the pinball market has progressed, I think it's safe to say that seeing future production units at an $8,500 price point isn't realistic unless it's stripped down.

I'm going with 1:0 until proven otherwise, though I hope I'm wrong. But who knows? I think the faster they sell out those premades allocated for New money, the better, in terms of odds that EAs get their machines.

Not a bad idea for a Jesus edition, but that opens up the licensing can of worms.

Besides, these are ALL "Hail Mary" editions.

#9162 4 days ago
Quoted from Tuna_Delight:

And to think that this (or $9,500 in your case Hoss) was considered to be SO EXPENSIVE when we invested in TBL being made.

Exactly. Hindsight (assuming that I do get my TBL EA) says that I've saved $3,000 compared to what this new release of 40 games sold for. I don't know if they have a market at $12,500 for future non EA production units, but they probably do at $10,000 without chrome trim and rug.

Special editions for Walter, Jesus, Donny, and the Dude could possibly have a market at $12,500. A Maude special edition with her flying through the air as she paints on the translite may command even more...just kidding...maybe. Jackie Treehorn edition anyone?

I have a limited amount of room, so I can't have a ton of machines and want quality over quantity. I thought that TBL was going to be my first game. AFMr LE was. I have a deposit down for a Wonka CE and if JJP produces Toy Story, I'll want one. I never bought a WOZ and would be tempted if JJP makes another run of 75th anniversary models. 6 or 7 games would be my max, but it would be crowded. 5 would be less crowded. First world problems!

#9163 4 days ago
Quoted from flynnibus:

Those happy campers are the ones who had deposits with Nitro or Cointaker... their money never went to DP, so they basically didn't lose anything. It's the people who bought from DP directly that are SOL at this time and double paying if they want a game now.

Thank you for clarification. I understand now.

#9164 4 days ago
Quoted from Hoss_Coog:

Exactly. Hindsight (assuming that I do get my TBL EA) says that I've saved $3,000 compared to what this new release of 40 games sold for. I don't know if they have a market at $12,500 for future non EA production units, but they probably do at $10,000 without chrome trim and rug.

I think the market is definitely there. I just don't have much confidence in DP being the ultimate producer and consequently, you and I getting our games.

#9165 4 days ago

I'll admit I just scanned most posts as I can't keep up here, but anyone that thinks more games will ever be made by DP is crazy. I do feel bad for JAAP, but his former company is gone and people need to accept that.

ARA doesn't want these games in a warehouse, so I am sure they have worked out some sort of split with DP to get these games and parts sold. All of the claims about generating revenue to make the original buyers whole is pure crap. It has proven to be an unsustainable model time and time again. It is a pure cash grab, and DP needs a good cover to get dealers to purchase the games and to keep the original buyers from throwing burning dung on their door step. They have shown time and time again they cannot be trusted.

Now with that said, I am amazed at the rush of people to buy these games knowing others put out good money for them. I don't know if the original buyers would have any legal remedies, but they should surely be exploring the possibility. And while it is entirely legal for others to rush up to the sales counter....just ask yourselves how you would feel if the roles were reversed and you were one of the early buyers. Horrible Karma at the least.

Mostly though, I am really disappointed in the dealers and the attitude displayed regarding the situation. They know full well people got taken for a lot of money on these games, yet they are willing to just overlook that part of the issue and act like it doesn't matter. Aren't many of the early buyers your customers too? I am (or used to be) a huge fan of Cointaker.....but when you were asked about the early buyers and just replied that they would need to take that up with DP is unacceptable. This is a small industry, and small group that is like a family, and to just discard people that were wronged to "keep these games from going to the European market" is pure BS. It is a cash grab all of the way around....and the claims of "we aren't making much" are BS as well. "Much" is a relative term and really says nothing.

I was not an early buyer....I would have loved to have one of these games at one point, but I would never touch one now unless they were made completely by a different company. This whole deal stinks to high heaven, and I hope somehow the early buyers get made whole in all of this, but it won't be with any new startup of production. That will NEVER happen. There isn't enough money in 200 games to get that going, let alone 40.

All of this seems like going through your grandma's purse for cash after she passed away. Horrible....but I doubt anyone is going to lose any sleep over it. It is only pinball after all.

#9166 4 days ago
Quoted from Manimal:

I'll admit I just scanned most posts as I can't keep up here, but anyone that thinks more games will ever be made by DP is crazy. I do feel bad for JAAP, but his former company is gone and people need to accept that.
ARA doesn't want these games in a warehouse, so I am sure they have worked out some sort of split with DP to get these games and parts sold. All of the claims about generating revenue to make the original buyers whole is pure crap. It has proven to be an unsustainable model time and time again. It is a pure cash grab, and DP needs a good cover to get dealers to purchase the games and to keep the original buyers from throwing burning dung on their door step. They have shown time and time again they cannot be trusted.
Now with that said, I am amazed at the rush of people to buy these games knowing others put out good money for them. I don't know if the original buyers would have any legal remedies, but they should surely be exploring the possibility. And while it is entirely legal for others to rush up to the sales counter....just ask yourselves how you would feel if the roles were reversed and you were one of the early buyers. Horrible Karma at the least.
Mostly though, I am really disappointed in the dealers and the attitude displayed regarding the situation. They know full well people got taken for a lot of money on these games, yet they are willing to just overlook that part of the issue and act like it doesn't matter. Aren't many of the early buyers your customers too? I am (or used to be) a huge fan of Cointaker.....but when you were asked about the early buyers and just replied that they would need to take that up with DP is unacceptable. This is a small industry, and small group that is like a family, and to just discard people that were wronged to "keep these games from going to the European market" is pure BS. It is a cash grab all of the way around....and the claims of "we aren't making much" are BS as well. "Much" is a relative term and really says nothing.
I was not an early buyer....I would have loved to have one of these games at one point, but I would never touch one now unless they were made completely by a different company. This whole deal stinks to high heaven, and I hope somehow the early buyers get made whole in all of this, but it won't be with any new startup of production. That will NEVER happen. There isn't enough money in 200 games to get that going, let alone 40.
All of this seems like going through your grandma's purse for cash after she passed away. Horrible....but I doubt anyone is going to lose any sleep over it. It is only pinball after all.

Nothing personnel, strictly business. DP was a "business". ARA is not a pinball business, CT is a business that sells pinball machines.

And if anyone thinks DP, ARA, or CT is going to closely inspect these machines at anytime is nuts. I have no doubt CT is telling buyers AS-IS. No Warranty, ZERO support.

The pinball community will have to address issues, much like Alien.

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#9167 4 days ago

I can’t help but feel horrible for the ea’s here. Those machines should have been theirs. I understand why not, but it doesn’t take away the feeling. Sorry guys, truly sucks.

#9168 4 days ago

Remember these are not DP assets to make EA whole. By court order they are ARA assets, so they have zero agreement with EA (as harsh as that sounds). Remember court order, ARA owns the assets. If your ARA how to you recover part of your lost money in this - best option is to sell them off (and DP was probably the quickest avenue to help them - although probably very uncomfortable agreement after court ruling).

Maybe ARA should have went direct to CT and cut DP out.

To description above burning dung should have been thrown many moons ago.....

#9169 4 days ago
Quoted from Roostking:

Nothing personnel, strictly business. DP was a "business". ARA is not a pinball business, CT is a business that sells pinball machines.
And if anyone thinks DP, ARA, or CT is going to closely inspect these machines at anytime is nuts. I have no doubt CT is telling buyers AS-IS. No Warranty, ZERO support.
The pinball community will have to address issues, much like Alien.

I hate it when people use that term..."strictly business", like it somehow excuses us from having any human compassion. In the end, we are going to be remembered/judged not by our business, but how we are as a human. People can do whatever they want and my opinion is just that....an opinion. But I for one will loose a ton of respect for those stepping over the early buyers.

As a medic, I once worked a case of a heart attack at a blackjack table. The woman fell off of her chair and the casino was crowded. As we were treating this woman, people were placing bets over the top of us because....hey, it was an open seat. I guess that was nothing personal either, but it was just as disgusting.

#9170 4 days ago
Quoted from cpr9999:

Remember these are not DP assets to make EA whole. By court order they are ARA assets, so they have zero agreement with EA (as harsh as that sounds). Remember court order, ARA owns the assets. If your ARA how to you recover part of your lost money in this - best option is to sell them off (and DP was probably the quickest avenue to help them - although probably very uncomfortable agreement after court ruling).
Maybe ARA should have went direct to CT and cut DP out.

Makes no difference. If folks would stop tripping over themselves to lay down 12 grand for these, maybe ARA would be able to work something out with the early buyers. But DP having a hand in this and making one dollar is pure criminal in my books.

#9171 4 days ago
Quoted from Manimal:

Makes no difference. If folks would stop tripping over themselves to lay down 12 grand for these, maybe ARA would be able to work something out with the early buyers. But DP having a hand in this and making one dollar is pure criminal in my books.

Understand, just remember ARA getting screwed even more I am sure for their efforts. Why should they lose more over the EAs? Because it is a company? No way, I am sure good people there that support their families as well.

Only one to be upset with is DP. EAs should go after them, but I am sure it is a losing cause based on little to no assets (and no investor money).

#9172 4 days ago
Quoted from Manimal:

I'll admit I just scanned most posts as I can't keep up here, but anyone that thinks more games will ever be made by DP is crazy. I do feel bad for JAAP, but his former company is gone and people need to accept that.
ARA doesn't want these games in a warehouse, so I am sure they have worked out some sort of split with DP to get these games and parts sold. All of the claims about generating revenue to make the original buyers whole is pure crap. It has proven to be an unsustainable model time and time again. It is a pure cash grab, and DP needs a good cover to get dealers to purchase the games and to keep the original buyers from throwing burning dung on their door step. They have shown time and time again they cannot be trusted.
Now with that said, I am amazed at the rush of people to buy these games knowing others put out good money for them. I don't know if the original buyers would have any legal remedies, but they should surely be exploring the possibility. And while it is entirely legal for others to rush up to the sales counter....just ask yourselves how you would feel if the roles were reversed and you were one of the early buyers. Horrible Karma at the least.
Mostly though, I am really disappointed in the dealers and the attitude displayed regarding the situation. They know full well people got taken for a lot of money on these games, yet they are willing to just overlook that part of the issue and act like it doesn't matter. Aren't many of the early buyers your customers too? I am (or used to be) a huge fan of Cointaker.....but when you were asked about the early buyers and just replied that they would need to take that up with DP is unacceptable. This is a small industry, and small group that is like a family, and to just discard people that were wronged to "keep these games from going to the European market" is pure BS. It is a cash grab all of the way around....and the claims of "we aren't making much" are BS as well. "Much" is a relative term and really says nothing.
I was not an early buyer....I would have loved to have one of these games at one point, but I would never touch one now unless they were made completely by a different company. This whole deal stinks to high heaven, and I hope somehow the early buyers get made whole in all of this, but it won't be with any new startup of production. That will NEVER happen. There isn't enough money in 200 games to get that going, let alone 40.
All of this seems like going through your grandma's purse for cash after she passed away. Horrible....but I doubt anyone is going to lose any sleep over it. It is only pinball after all.

I'm honestly surprised that coin taker is touching this because it is going to hurt their reputation with at least some people. They seemed to have a very good reputation before, and if I was ever tempted to try buying NIB again then they were the first place I was going to check based on the positive word of mouth. After this, though, I would never buy from them. This just feels dirty through and through. Yes... The games will get sold one way or another, but they don't have to be the ones doing the dirty work. And now they've set a precedent of taking deposits and then raising the price after the fact...

#9173 4 days ago
Quoted from seenev:

I'm honestly surprised that coin taker is touching this because it is going to hurt their reputation with at least some people. They seemed to have a very good reputation before, and if I was ever tempted to try buying NIB again then they were the first place I was going to check based on the positive word of mouth. After this, though, I would never buy from them. This just feels dirty through and through. Yes... The games will get sold one way or another, but they don't have to be the ones doing the dirty work. And now they've set a precedent of taking deposits and then raising the price after the fact...

Kind of predicted this a few pages back; however, 99% of people long forget 6, 12 months down the line. Wish I had a penny everytime I hear people are boycotting something for some reason only to find them back at the business. Just doesn’t work.

Right everyone was going to boycott pinball prices over $5k, next $7k, now approaching $10k!!!

Or I won’t buy another NIB until they launch with finished code.

Sound familiar - pinball is thriving (goes up/down with economy).

#9174 4 days ago
Quoted from cpr9999:

Kind of predicted this a few pages back; however, 99% of people long forget 6, 12 months down the line. Wish I had a penny everytime I hear people are boycotting something for some reason only to find them back at the business. Just doesn’t work.

There are plenty of distributors that aren't involved in this. Why would it be hard to boycott CT when there are so many alternatives?

#9175 4 days ago
Quoted from Manimal:

I hate it when people use that term..."strictly business", like it somehow excuses us from having any human compassion. In the end, we are going to be remembered/judged not by our business, but how we are as a human. People can do whatever they want and my opinion is just that....an opinion. But I for one will loose a ton of respect for those stepping over the early buyers.
As a medic, I once worked a case of a heart attack at a blackjack table. The woman fell off of her chair and the casino was crowded. As we were treating this woman, people were placing bets over the top of us because....hey, it was an open seat. I guess that was nothing personal either, but it was just as disgusting.

Ok well not the same, at all. Its not ARA's fault, its not really EA's fault. Its DP's. It does suck and it is unfortunate, but ARA has employees that need to be paid. I have no idea how much ARA is owed, but they deserve what they can get for the money they put up. Or should they just write it off?

#9176 4 days ago
Quoted from seenev:

There are plenty of distributors that aren't involved in this. Why would it be hard to boycott CT when there are so many alternatives?

Cuz we are creatures of habit; and we give people/ businesses multiple chances.
It’s in our DNA.

#9177 4 days ago

Barry said that he made an agreement with ARA. If I had to guess, it would be to sell the machines at the inflated price and divide the proceeds 50/50 or some agreed upon percentage. ARA gets their money and DP gets seed money to resume business at least to the point where they have a greater than zero chance of survival. It sucks to have paid and not received a TBL but I can see no other solution and no one else has come up with a better idea. At least there is now a chance that someday I may own a TBL. Cool down and see what happens. I think that this is good news for everyone

#9178 4 days ago
Quoted from cpr9999:

Kind of predicted this a few pages back; however, 99% of people long forget 6, 12 months down the line. Wish I had a penny everytime I hear people are boycotting something for some reason only to find them back at the business. Just doesn’t work.

Dude, pinball people forget in less time that! Predator, Zidware(Some people buying multiple "pins" based on artwork alone) Alien, and finally DP. Hell, someone in this very thread just a few pages back said something to the affect "Im not getting a good feeling about this now" LOL Ya think???

#9179 4 days ago
Quoted from Roostking:

Dude, pinball people forget in less time that! Predator, Zidware(Some people buying multiple "pins" based on artwork alone) Alien, and finally DP. Hell, someone in this very thread just a few pages back said something to the affect "Im not getting a good feeling about this now" LOL Ya think???

Exactly

#9180 4 days ago

No doubt that is true, but not everyone is so forgiving. One person here and one person there...at some point it can add up, and with this small of a community we aren't talking thousands to make an effect. All I can control is me...…..

#9181 4 days ago
Quoted from Manimal:

I hate it when people use that term..."strictly business", like it somehow excuses us from having any human compassion. In the end, we are going to be remembered/judged not by our business, but how we are as a human. People can do whatever they want and my opinion is just that....an opinion. But I for one will loose a ton of respect for those stepping over the early buyers.
As a medic, I once worked a case of a heart attack at a blackjack table. The woman fell off of her chair and the casino was crowded. As we were treating this woman, people were placing bets over the top of us because....hey, it was an open seat. I guess that was nothing personal either, but it was just as disgusting.

It is not just as disgusting - that is much worse - it is a human life. Losing $$$$ sucks, but not potential human life loss.

#9182 4 days ago
Quoted from cpr9999:

Remember court order, ARA owns the assets.

We don't know what the case or court terms are, so let's not overstate. The civil case was likely something like "DP, yes, you still owe ARA $xxx,xxx and no you can't have your stuff until you pay"

This 3way deal seems like a mutual pack to clear up DP, let ARA recover some funds easily, and have cointaker recoup some of their losses too. ARA gets to move on... DP gets the ARA anchor off their legs.. and the games get into the wild.

#9183 4 days ago
Quoted from Roostking:

Dude, pinball people forget in less time that! Predator, Zidware(Some people buying multiple "pins" based on artwork alone) Alien, and finally DP. Hell, someone in this very thread just a few pages back said something to the affect "Im not getting a good feeling about this now" LOL Ya think???

Who is giving those companies money more than once? I have no idea but I would think the number is close to 0 people. Even if they were, it's hardly comparable to doing business with a distributor. You can get the same games from any number of other distributors. There are so many options that all it takes to rule one out is a single bad impression, and this is quite a bad impression... at least for me.

#9184 4 days ago
Quoted from Phat_Jay:

I can’t help but feel horrible for the ea’s here. Those machines should have been theirs. I understand why not, but it doesn’t take away the feeling. Sorry guys, truly sucks.

Ditto that

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#9185 4 days ago
Quoted from seenev:

There are plenty of distributors that aren't involved in this. Why would it be hard to boycott CT when there are so many alternatives?

Why would people want to boycott the people that stood alongside the EAs, took their blows as well, and have weathered through with their customers on this, and two other 'startup' blowups? CT has done FAR more for buyers than you want to give them credit for now in this narrow view you have.

This is a failure - not everyone will be made whole. But you shouldn't piss on someone because they are trying to find some middle ground instead of holding onto 'all or nothing' fantasies.

#9186 4 days ago
Quoted from flynnibus:

CT has done FAR more for buyers than you want to give them credit for now in this narrow view you have.

Not to mention the money they lost on the Jpop fiasco. And its not chump change.

#9187 4 days ago

Early achiever here. Paid in full to Dutch Pinball.

I emailed Melissa at Cointaker last night in hopes of grabbing one of the 40. Yes, I would've been in this game for over 20K! Why would even consider doing this? This game needs to be manufactured. If there was a chance to restart the build, I was willing to spend more money to make it happen. Obviously if no more were to be made, having one of 90 games would probably mean it's value would only increase! I might've been able to recover my original loss.

These games apparently sold very quickly! The market is there for this game. My only hope now is for the production to restart. I'd buy another if it meant getting two delivered to me.

For the record I'm not bitter with either Cointaker or Nitro. Hindsight being what it is, I just wish I would've went through a distributor instead of Dutch Pinball.

#9188 4 days ago
Quoted from MikeHogue:

These games apparently sold very quickly!

I have not kept up with this thread. The 40 games sold out instantly?

#9189 4 days ago
Quoted from TigerLaw:

I have not kept up with this thread. The 40 games sold out instantly?

Apparently , yes. Some may have gone to Nitro.

#9190 4 days ago
Quoted from Phat_Jay:

I can’t help but feel horrible for the ea’s here. Those machines should have been theirs. I understand why not, but it doesn’t take away the feeling. Sorry guys, truly sucks.

Agreed. It's unfortunate, but I think it is highly unlikely that EA's will end up getting money recognition or a pinball machine

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#9191 4 days ago

If anyone has been in business for themselves long enough you’ll deal with a vendor who goes bankrupt, you’re screwed out of a lot of money. Another issue is someone just doesn’t pay their bills... governments provides laws to protect these business so they can hopefully resume operation and save jobs. If you think this situation is unique to pinball you’re just flat out being dumb. This is business and for anyone to call for a boycott wow that is really dumb. Anytime a business goes under, there are a hundred people lined up at the auction, while many other vendors are left holding unpaid bills. This is part of the business world and unfortunately in a democracy this stuff happens.

People are going to buy the games because they have the money and they want them. If not you someone else. Again calling for a boycott is just stupid. Do I feel bad, sorry for those who got burned oh yeah 110%. I’ve been burned for over 100k from a China amusement park, was I pissed damn straight. I learned from that experience however, and after getting burned 2 or 3 times I said nope not anymore. I changed how I do business, how I pay for something and this whole ordeal and other deals like it IE: Magic Girl, you need to learn from it and not repeat those mistakes. Dwelling on it won’ t solve cancer.

This is business nothing more nothing less. Yes some people got burned in the process but that is out of their control once it goes to a judge. This is what it is and you either accept it and move on or you can cry about it. I think Coin Taker is doing the entire fan base a favor for grabbing these games and trying to get them to people who put down deposits first. Kudo’s to cointaker.

They seem pretty transparent about the whole deal. Again kudos to coin taker. I would say this either coin taker is doing this deal or another company is for sure... at least coin taker is an honest company who’s looking out for the best interest of everyone.

Buy one or turn your attention to another game. But the people who do buy them do not in any way shape form or fashion deserve your scorn your wrath its their money, and none of your business. Period.

#9192 4 days ago
Quoted from TigerLaw:

I have not kept up with this thread. The 40 games sold out instantly?

Then they underpriced them.

#9193 4 days ago
Quoted from MikeHogue:

Early achiever here. Paid in full to Dutch Pinball.
I emailed Melissa at Cointaker last night in hopes of grabbing one of the 40. Yes, I would've been in this game for over 20K! Why would even consider doing this? This game needs to be manufactured. If there was a chance to restart the build, I was willing to spend more money to make it happen. Obviously if no more were to be made, having one of 90 games would probably mean it's value would only increase! I might've been able to recover my original loss.
These games apparently sold very quickly! The market is there for this game. My only hope now is for the production to restart. I'd buy another if it meant getting two delivered to me.
For the record I'm not bitter with either Cointaker or Nitro. Hindsight being what it is, I just wish I would've went through a distributor instead of Dutch Pinball.

Wait so CT is already sold out and you couldn't get one? Damn it sold out even faster than I thought....

Pinball pockets are DEEP

#9194 4 days ago

Cointaker is supplying some of the 40 games to Nitro as is only fair.

#9195 4 days ago
Quoted from CoinTaker:

Cointaker is supplying some of the 40 games to Nitro as is only fair.

Are they truly sold out?

#9196 4 days ago

Splitting the risk...

#9197 4 days ago
Quoted from Mr68:

"Unfortunately, the judge ruled in favor of ARA. Now, I can go on and on with details why the judge decided this and how much this sucks, etc... But right now, this is what it is, and besides going in appeal against this ruling, we can't do anything about it."

And you're shocked about this Barry? You didn't see this coming a few years ago? Let's keep it real. You cannot afford to appeal.

I think you SHOULD "go on and on with details why the judge decided this," especially since it involves other people's money.
Had this been me, I would have called or emailed each EA individually one-by-one throughout the entire ordeal to provide any sign of comfort or assurance. The EAs deserved more than a blanket email blast telling them to continue holding their water after all these years.

Note how CoinTaker has been super proactive in this thread over the past 24 hours or so. Where were all the updates and concern posts prior to yesterday? Correct me if I am wrong, but I don't recall any in the last 3 or so years. Just saying. Instead, EAs within the 40 range are told to hit up DP for their game, even though in reality, their game is being sold to someone else for more profit. The "we are putting hope out there for the EAs" song & dance is a crock.

This will not end well.

#9198 4 days ago
Quoted from highdef:

... I think you SHOULD "go on and on with details why the judge decided this," especially since it involves other people's money.
Had this been me, I would have called or emailed each EA individually one-by-one throughout the entire ordeal to provide any sign of comfort or assurance. The EAs deserved more than a blanket email blast telling them to continue holding their water after all these years. ...

Damn straight!

Don't try and argue on the private EA thread that DP should be providing more info though. All you'll pretty much get is crickets or accused of being a "cry baby".

Unbelievable.

#9199 4 days ago
Quoted from highdef:

And you're shocked about this Barry? You didn't see this coming a few years ago? Let's keep it real. You cannot afford to appeal.
I think you SHOULD "go on and on with details why the judge decided this," especially since it involves other people's money.
Had this been me, I would have called or emailed each EA individually one-by-one throughout the entire ordeal to provide any sign of comfort or assurance. The EAs deserved more than a blanket email blast telling them to continue holding their water after all these years.
Note how CoinTaker has been super proactive in this thread over the past 24 hours or so. Where were all the updates and concern posts prior to yesterday? Correct me if I am wrong, but I don't recall any in the last 3 or so years. Just saying. Instead, EAs within the 40 range are told to hit up DP for their game, even though in reality, their game is being sold to someone else for more profit. The "we are putting hope out there for the EAs" song & dance is a crock.
This will not end well.

Not end well ....for EAs....they already know that.

Not end well ....for DP....we already see that.

Everyone else involved...new buyers, CT, Nitro will be fine.

#9200 4 days ago

Can’t wait to see these machines out in the wild. Be sure to stream them so we all can watch them in action

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