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The Big Lebowski Preorder Club (Members Only)


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#8651 37 days ago

What is the actual cost of the machine, new from a distro?

I seem to remember $8500 as the initial cost, spread across 4 or 5 payments.

#8652 37 days ago

I had ~$1500 down payment on a quoted price of $10k, but my down payment was returned last month without any communication whatsoever.

#8653 37 days ago
Quoted from Londonpinball:

Lots of these games listed in the last 30 days,
Maybe the guys in the inner circle ⭕️ know more then they say . Maybe insider trading ?

So random customers, all strangers to one another and spread around the globe, have an inner circle preparing for this day? And you guys believe proprietary information is secretly being leaked so they can hoodwink unsuspecting buyers?

That's an fanciful conspiracy you got there.

#8654 37 days ago
Quoted from Dkjimbo:

...if true no one is getting over 10k for their original run games since NIB from distributors is 10k...

Dont be so sure. Have you seen what people here are willing to pay sight unseen for a game? Dude, people were paying above NIB for TNA to be the "guy on the street with the new oooo shiney toy before anyone else had it"......

#8655 37 days ago
Quoted from NPO:

Dont be so sure. Have you seen what people here are willing to pay sight unseen for a game? Dude, people were paying above NIB for TNA to be the "guy on the street with the new oooo shiney toy before anyone else had it"......

Agreed. IF this whimsical Kanada tale is real I am offering 15k for any TBL NIB that any early adopter wants to sell on receipt. This game Will hold value for a Long time no question.

#8656 37 days ago
Quoted from zaphX:

What is the actual cost of the machine, new from a distro?
I seem to remember $8500 as the initial cost, spread across 4 or 5 payments.

It was $8,500 pre-ordered.

Shipping from CoinTaker (US distributor) or Nitro (Canadian distributor) not included.

#8657 37 days ago

Ditto!

#8658 37 days ago
Quoted from Yelobird:

I am offering 15k for any TBL NIB that any early adopter wants to sell on receipt.

Ditto!

#8659 37 days ago

Guys why pay $15,000?? If they fire up the line at ARA again you will be able to buy a TBL for 10k + shipping

#8660 37 days ago
Quoted from Concretehardt:

Guys why pay $15,000?? If they fire up the line at ARA again you will be able to buy a TBL for 10k + shipping

I am speculating but I suspect (assume) IF any of this rumor is true the games being released are the games that were held captive at ARA to pay the delinquent bill the DP clan left them with. Just a guess but would make sense as we have not heard anything from the court case since. Sadly if that was the case I doubt the EA buyers would be the direction they would go as DP already burned that money long ago. Not a happy assumption just a guess.

#8661 37 days ago

I'm preorder #1234...
So... when #1230 ships wake me up!

#8662 37 days ago

I'm just hoping the code progresses now. This is really cool to hear!!

Brian

#8663 37 days ago
Quoted from unigroove:

Sadly, fake news

I texted with Barry yesterday about whether there was any news. Overnight the news was launched. I checked again with Barry this morning. He says he has no idea where the news is coming from, but it's not true.

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#8664 37 days ago

I really don't believe what Kaneda says....ever. Why would he have some magical insider info that no one else knows about? He is just stirring the pot and causing trouble like he always does.

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#8665 37 days ago
Quoted from Micky:

I really don't believe what Kaneda says....ever. Why would he have some magical insider info that no one else knows about? He is just stirring the pot and causing trouble like he always does.

He is right about one thing though, pinside is much better without Hylton..

#8666 37 days ago

People are focused on the wrong aspect of this news leak. Hostage TBL’s are being released for briefcases full of tidy whities, maybe ... big deal. What good is TBL without a rug under it? A joint announcement by DP and ARA that production of more rugs has begun would set my heart a flutter

#8667 37 days ago

Sorry to confirm that what Kaneda is telling isn’t true.

Wonder where he got his intel, he sounded very sure.

#8668 37 days ago
Quoted from Rensh:

Sorry to confirm that what Kaneda is telling isn’t true.
Wonder where he got his intel, he sounded very sure.

Shocker.

#8669 37 days ago

Thanks for going to the source, unigroove. Funny how simple that can be for getting a straight answer.

#8670 37 days ago

Until there is an official statement from DP and or ARA, this is all speculation, we all know Renesh is connected to those guys personally and has covered for them and lied (or at least misdirected) on their behalf before over the years...

Frankly it’s been years since there has been any real open honest communication about this game from any party involved or on the peripheral.

#8671 37 days ago
Quoted from Londonpinball:

Lots of these games listed in the last 30 days,
Maybe the guys in the inner circle ⭕️ know more then they say . Maybe insider trading ?

So if it's not true, does this mean the Lebowski secret inner circle of seller's were fed bad intel from their Overlords?

I really wish people would take a deep breath before jumping to obvious conclusions. Some of you guys set speed records in connecting erroneous dots and you carelessly smear innocent people in the process.

I've seen these accusations of insider trading going all the way back to the original Medieval Madness remake announcement. I myself was accused of it when I sold my Magic Girl spot. And I've seen these same allegations 3 or 4 different times now with Big Bang Bar whenever a few go up for sale.

Sorry to single you out, Londonpinball. You're not the first here to do it nor will you be the last.

#8672 37 days ago
Quoted from Yelobird:

Agreed. IF this whimsical Kanada tale is real I am offering 15k for any TBL NIB that any early adopter wants to sell on receipt. This game Will hold value for a Long time no question.

There is one for sale right now....

#8673 37 days ago
Quoted from Rensh:

Sorry to confirm that what Kaneda is telling isn’t true.
Wonder where he got his intel, he sounded very sure.

And the people that have been paying $18K+ for their prized machines just took a big, deep breath of air and exhaled. Phew.

#8674 37 days ago
Quoted from frolic:

Thanks for going to the source, unigroove. Funny how simple that can be for getting a straight answer.

DP response = straight answer??? Maybe. Maybe not.

Let's not forget that these are the same guys who have been MIA and haven't provided jack shit as far as an update to TBL investors (including me) for months now. (And I understand that they're in the middle of a legal action, but that doesn't prevent them from at least occasionally acknowledging that we're still waiting for ANY word from them.)

Maybe if they didn't suck so bad at communicating with their customers, other rumors wouldn't be seized on so quickly.

#8675 37 days ago
Quoted from Tuna_Delight:

DP response = straight answer??? Maybe. Maybe not.
Let's not forget that these are the same guys who have been MIA and haven't provided jack shit as far as an update to TBL investors (including me) for months now. (And I understand that they're in the middle of a legal action, but that doesn't prevent them from at least occasionally acknowledging that we're still waiting for ANY word from them.)
Maybe if they didn't suck so bad at communicating with their customers, other rumors wouldn't be seized on so quickly.

Yup. If B & J weren’t such deplorable cowards & actually kept communicating with the people who gave them millions, we wouldn’t have to rely on rumors & drama.

#8676 37 days ago

what if it's a 'half truth'?

What if ARA is selling the hostage games... while the lawsuit between ARA & Dutch is not resolved? Both sides could be right there.. and the news could also be coming from different directions.

#8677 37 days ago
Quoted from flynnibus:

what if it's a 'half truth'?
What if ARA is selling the hostage games... while the lawsuit between ARA & Dutch is not resolved? Both sides could be right there.. and the news could also be coming from different directions.

They had ~20 done during the factory visit that we attended, when production still appeared to be underway (though they latterly claimed it had stopped well before then). Their ex (fired) MD then went on to claim 40 were done, further increasing discrepancy. Now, 70? Doesn't sound likely. But ... Chinese Whispers?

Hopefully Kaneda is right, but I wouldn't count any chickens. All sounds a bit too good to be true.

#8678 37 days ago
Quoted from flynnibus:

What if ARA is selling the hostage games... while the lawsuit between ARA & Dutch is not resolved?

Because ARA would be in contempt of court in doing so.

#8679 37 days ago
Quoted from Mr68:

Because ARA would be in contempt of court in doing so.

Not necessarily, the court ordered ARA and Dutch Pinball to "figure it out" on their own to start.. Since we're all speculating, what if the compromise included selling the existing inventory?

#8680 37 days ago
Quoted from knockerlover:

Not necessarily, the court ordered ARA and Dutch Pinball to "figure it out" on their own to start.. Since we're all speculating, what if the compromise included selling the existing inventory?

Any compromise has to be court approved long before any action can take place. Those machines are frozen assets until the courts say otherwise.

#8681 37 days ago
Quoted from Mr68:

Any compromise has to be court approved long before any action can take place. Those machines are frozen assets until the courts say otherwise.

Having not read the court papers.. nor being involved... I can't say definitively one way or the other. But that sounds suspiciously like assumptions..

ARA sued DP - not the other way around. Why would ARA's own assets be frozen when a resolution could simply be "you owe us contractually obligated money" or money for other services?

#8682 37 days ago

Maybe Robert and Deeproot have found a way to get DP out of the mess with ARA and will take over the license and manufacturing.

Not sure how deep DP was in it with ARA but for them it might make sense. They know it’s a game a lot of people like and want. Of course the manufacturing capability of deeproot is a big unknown as well. This could provide them with a game to sell while they get their own titles in order.

Lots of moving pieces to this and of course a boatload of money but might be possible.

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#8683 37 days ago
Quoted from Rensh:

Sorry to confirm that what Kaneda is telling isn’t true.
Wonder where he got his intel, he sounded very sure.

Maybe because Kaneda is a piece of shit thats needs flushed.

#8684 37 days ago
Quoted from davijc02:

Maybe Robert and Deeproot have found a way to get DP out of the mess with ARA and will take over the license and manufacturing.
Not sure how deep DP was in it with ARA but for them it might make sense. They know it’s a game a lot of people like and want. Of course the manufacturing capability of deeproot is a big unknown as well. This could provide them with a game to sell while they get their own titles in order.
Lots of moving pieces to this and of course a boatload of money but might be possible.

Given DR's own self-acknowledged issues in getting their own games to market, and the cash burn that Mueller said they were going through, I think they'd be suicidal to take this on too. Seems very unlikely.

#8685 37 days ago
Quoted from Micky:

I really don't believe what Kaneda says....ever. Why would he have some magical insider info that no one else knows about? He is just stirring the pot and causing trouble like he always does.

And he still wonders why people don't like him

#8686 37 days ago
Quoted from davijc02:

Maybe Robert and Deeproot have found a way to get DP out of the mess with ARA and will take over the license and manufacturing.
Not sure how deep DP was in it with ARA but for them it might make sense. They know it’s a game a lot of people like and want. Of course the manufacturing capability of deeproot is a big unknown as well. This could provide them with a game to sell while they get their own titles in order.
Lots of moving pieces to this and of course a boatload of money but might be possible.

LOL Deep Poop is a big fat nothing who’s made nothing and will make nothing.

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#8687 37 days ago
Quoted from flynnibus:

ARA sued DP - not the other way around. Why would ARA's own assets be frozen when a resolution could simply be "you owe us contractually obligated money" or money for other services?

Holy shit Flynn, I'm struggling to understand your point.

Quoted from flynnibus:

ARA sued DP - not the other way around

Whoever initiated the lawsuit has nothing to do with the final resolution. What nonsense. A lawsuit was filed with the courts to determine a judgment of their dispute. Both companies now operate in this matter, under the complete supervision of the courts until a determination is made.

Quoted from flynnibus:

Why would ARA's own assets be frozen

Because those machines are not ARA's assets. Where did you get that idea? Dutch Pinball has intellectual property, licencing and money in them too.

Quoted from flynnibus:

a resolution could simply be "you owe us contractually obligated money" or money for other services?

Congratulations, Flynn, you've just characterize the basis of the lawsuit.

#8688 37 days ago
Quoted from Mr68:

Congratulations, Flynn, you've just characterize the basis of the lawsuit.

Point being.. the item in contention is a monetary thing... not necessarily unique items. If ARA were compelled to owe delivery of a TBL game.. it doesn't
necessarily have to be one that was built back in 2017. It's an obligation they could fulfill many different ways. It could also simply be resolved with $$.

Obviously handing over a previously built example is easier if it were on hand - but that is not basis for freezing an asset. There are important distinctions between items ARA did for themselves, or things they did on behalf of someone else. If I sell you a promise of building you a house... and we go into a dispute.. you don't freeze the toilet I bought and still have sitting on my warehouse shelves. I just owe you a toilet or some agreed upon equivalent if I lost.

There might have been basis to freeze the disputed assets if DP sued earlier on for non-execution or breech of contract... but again, DP didn't sue.

#8689 37 days ago
Quoted from flynnibus:

Point being.. the item in contention is a monetary thing... not necessarily unique items. If ARA were compelled to owe delivery of a TBL game.. it doesn't
necessarily have to be one that was built back in 2017. It's an obligation they could fulfill many different ways. It could also simply be resolved with $$.
Obviously handing over a previously built example is easier if it were on hand - but that is not basis for freezing an asset. There are important distinctions between items ARA did for themselves, or things they did on behalf of someone else. If I sell you a promise of building you a house... and we go into a dispute.. you don't freeze the toilet I bought and still have sitting on my warehouse shelves. I just owe you a toilet or some agreed upon equivalent if I lost.
There might have been basis to freeze the disputed assets if DP sued earlier on for non-execution or breech of contract... but again, DP didn't sue.

A toilet analogy instead of a cargument? - Good luck with your typical razzle dazzle response. I had a lapse and forgot how you are.

#8690 37 days ago

Well, that's over....Gucci McFuckleberry took it back.

Back to nothing. B & J still suck for all this. That's still a fact.

#8691 37 days ago

This is...a bummer, man.

#8692 37 days ago
Quoted from Rarehero:

Well, that's over....Gucci McFuckleberry took it back.
Back to nothing. B & J still suck for all this. That's still a fact.

Kaneda is "so sorry". WTF?!!!

ARGH!!!

My apologies to Pinside for prematurely buying into this BS and excitedly posting that my game was coming. Should have known better. Yet another in a long string of TBL disappointments.

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#8693 36 days ago
Quoted from flynnibus:

If I sell you a promise of building you a house... and we go into a dispute.. you don't freeze the toilet I bought and still have sitting on my warehouse shelves. I just owe you a toilet or some agreed upon equivalent if I lost.

Unless Universal also granted ARA the right to sell Lebowski branded pinball games, this toilet analogy is a turd.

#8694 36 days ago

Rumors aside, other than a final sale of built games one day by DP or ARA, more will never be built.

ARA has no desire to work with DP and Universal will never relicense TBL to these clowns, ever. EA’s have been f*cked once again, although the assault occurred years ago.

#8695 36 days ago
Quoted from Rarehero:

Well, that's over....Gucci McFuckleberry took it back.
Back to nothing. B & J still suck for all this. That's still a fact.

Son of a bitch!!

I just sent DP a $10,000 wire transfer an hour ago...

I guess I should have learned the first time around

#8696 36 days ago
Quoted from Mr68:

A toilet analogy instead of a cargument? - Good luck with your typical razzle dazzle response. I had a lapse and forgot how you are.

Next time I'll use unicorns and daydreams... that seems to be the level of credible you like to deal in.

#8697 36 days ago
Quoted from fosaisu:

Unless Universal also granted ARA the right to sell Lebowski branded pinball games, this toilet analogy is a turd.

Ability to sell the game is a different angle entirely... but not really relevant to the point contested (that the assets are locked up in the court case). ARA sued DP for monies owed and probably breach of contract terms. Things that not contingent on what assets ARA has or not. ARA's benches, tools, and everything else used to make the games aren't going to be frozen over a dispute to get paid for their work. For the assets to be locked up, DP would have had to make some claims that they're rightfully theirs. Which we know they just tried to walk away from...

#8698 36 days ago
Quoted from flynnibus:

Ability to sell the game is a different angle entirely... but not really relevant to the point contested (that the assets are locked up in the court case). ARA sued DP for monies owed and probably breach of contract terms. Things that not contingent on what assets ARA has or not. ARA's benches, tools, and everything else used to make the games aren't going to be frozen over a dispute to get paid for their work. For the assets to be locked up, DP would have had to make some claims that they're rightfully theirs. Which we know they just tried to walk away from...

Ah, so you are literally talking about selling toilets now. Makes perfect sense of course. I mistakenly thought we were talking about Big Lebowski pinball machines and whether they might conceivably be leaving ARAs shipping dock. I must have wandered into the middle of the wrong thread.

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#8699 36 days ago
Quoted from flynnibus:

Things that not contingent on what assets ARA has or not. ARA's benches, tools, and everything else used to make the games aren't going to be frozen over a dispute to get paid for their work.

Where the hell did I ever say that! And your comment is nonsensical to the existing lawsuit.

Let me clarify it for you in terms you might comprehend along with thread documentation. -- Those **Big Lebowski Pinball Machines** would be (are) frozen by the courts.**
You know, the pinball machines that you believe for some ridiculous reasons are ARA assets that they could just simply sell.

Try and follow along here Flyn:

Quoted from flynnibus:

What if ARA is selling the hostage games... while the lawsuit between ARA & Dutch is not resolved?

Quoted from Mr68:

Because ARA would be in contempt of court in doing so.

Quoted from knockerlover:

Not necessarily, the court ordered ARA and Dutch Pinball to "figure it out" on their own to start.. Since we're all speculating, what if the compromise included selling the existing inventory?

Quoted from Mr68:

Any compromise has to be court approved long before any action can take place. Those machines are frozen assets until the courts say otherwise.

How you made the leap from that to ARA company and personal assets is beyond me. But this is what you do on Pinside, Flynnibus. You twist and spew mumbo jumbo, you obfuscate, you dodge and filibuster all of us into submission.

#8700 36 days ago

Plain and simple, IF DP could sell the hostage games they would. If ARA could sell the hostage games, they would.

The Courts are responsible for the hostage games, first telling both parties to "try to work it out" and come back to the court, and the court agree or not with the deal. If no compromise can be made, the court will dictate who gets the games (or a percentage will go to both parties).

Either way, the games will eventually be sold. It is just a matter of who gets the $$

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