Aren’t the court records public records? If the case was heard and concluded where are the records?

dupe

nope

Does we know when the court gives his judgement?

A Cliffs Notes version anyway?

Hey Neil
The private thread was set up and I think it is a good idea. It has kept all the bull-shit out, look at the last 15 posts... anything productive, factual been said. Nope, just people giving their opinions, which if they are welcome to do, but I
as an TBL buyer don’t want to have to scroll through all these posts to find there is not 1 FACTUAL thing!

You say about more people getting ripped off. Like who? DP Stopped taking money/ depsosits after this happened. Who else a DP trying to rip off?! No one.. And they have gone on to try and get people their games.
As said another manufacturer was lined up and TBL was ready to go back to into production to get people their games..

It really does surprise me how people overlook this..

Did JPoP do this.. nope, did Heighway do this- the Pinball Bros.. nope.. they just fucked people over..

Pinhead1982
DP Tryed to get another manufacturer ????BS
Did they pay the first one ??? Nope
What “new manufracture ” would do a deal with bankrupt DP ??? That’s ridiculous

Jaap and Barry took out money for years.
People who rip people off never take responsibility.

Pinhead1982 you have your private thread created to defend DP’s scam congratulations.
Your friends Jaap and Barry don’t use pinside ?
If they are honest, why do they not communicate? They are ashamed, embarrassed and guilty.

Are you ever embarrassed to defend these guys ?

Pinsides who think DP was honest can down vote this post.

Jaap was at the Texas Pinball Festival just a year and a half ago and he was pushing the BOP 25th and giving a presentation on the status of TBL... no doubt that the entire trip was paid for out of the pockets of those that had paid for the 200 TBL machines (if not, who?). They were still arrogant enough to be blowing others people money to take all-expense paid trips to conventions that late in the game.

Who are they trying to rip off now? Anyone that would be stupid enough to give them money.. which is no one at this point.

Bankruptcy, divorce, death are the best drama situations to make the best deals.

Le malheur des uns font le bonheur des autres. Rien de plus vrai.

So the Xytech games don’t exist? Even tho they were shown at the Dutch Expo- ARA & Xytech games side by side...

the posts of late have been a great reminder of why the private thread is useful

number of posts in last 2 days in private thread: 0
number of posts in last 2 days in this thread: 42

signal to noise ratio a lot better over there

Don’t know why I bite Tom..
back to private thread... care to join me

While sad for the buyers of that club I am Very happy I do Not belong to that private thread!!! I suspect it doesn't have a happy ending.

Wait, this isn't the Pinside DP TBL Zeitgeist thread? No, my bad, it’s the Pinside DP TBL Schadenfreude thread.

I think most just want to know if DP is doing anything positive in the hobby/industry or if we would have been better off without DP and a TBL table altogether. I kind of like playing it. Here’s a foolish thought, maybe CGC can pick up the license?

Perhaps the greatest feat of DP at this point is to have totally screwed hundreds of people out of thousands of dollars and somehow convince then hope is still alive and its in their best interest NOT to join forces and sue. Why do the beleivers actually beleive this project is somehow still alive? What scenario has been made up in your minds or by the clowns at DP that convinces you that there is hope? Particularly when they have proven to be liars along the way and ANYTHING but transparent.

I think, like, what we are seeing, man, is, like, you know... it’s like the power of The Dude, man, like...you know?, man? And I am like, being serious, here man, you know dude?

I think there are a large bunch of fellow stoner pin heads who dropped a bundle of cash on a pin they thought would tie their whole gameroom together... and they are not letting go of that dream, well, because there are the rare few who got to live that dream, and even got a rug to go with it.

Now could you see a room full of “Dudes” ever getting sobber enough, or uptight enough, or strung out and un-layed-back enough that they all got together and sued DP?

Nope, and I think that is just the Power of “His Dude-liness”...

You mean all the story with xytech is just hot air? Wow!
Btw, I always said all pinball fellows that were scammed should submitted a common complaint.

Pinhead1982 saw with his own eyes it is real, hahaha he drank the coolaid

When you Steel all the money and make up BS about a “new manufacturer” with zero money left or credibility to pay.

Pinhead1982 are you miss guiding EA’s to help DP avoid legle responsibility?

Xytech is real. They did make a couple prototypes. The business plan was for them to make the games in china, maybe less features. Sell new games for new money first. Early achievers that already paid go to the back of the line. IF a profit was to be made that money could be used to fund the early achiever paid for games. Xytech was to fund everything because DP has been broke for a few years now.

It's shameful that they'd go that route instead of working things out with ARA. Even if the terms weren't ideal for Barry & Jaap, they would have been better served to do right by their customers, then leave ARA after TBL & try to do something else with the lessons they had learned.

But they owed ARA lots of money they did not and could not pay due to poor management on DP's end. That is why ARA sued them. They should have taken ARA's offer of the 51% and got our games made. Instead they are going to screw over xytech just like they did ARA.

Ok but how can you start a « new business » without closing properly the previous one and so on crappy foundations?

That's what I meant. They should have taken the 51% offer...done right by the customers, then figured out a new business venture after all paid for TBL's were built and delivered.

Great .. now is TBL available ... ähhh, not the pinball for sure ... but a nice anniversary set

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WHAT? NO RUG?

Looks like you get a door mat, not a rug... Now what is that going to tie together, my front stoop?
Whoops, my bad, not a doormat either... polishing cloth?!? WTF? Ok... whatever... god damn ringer if you ask me...

Maybe it's a divine ball polisher...

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Yelobird , I just bought a set of TBL pins. Thanks out to you and the guy who commissioned it!

pinmister , any luck getting a TBL yet? Seems there a some out there changing hands. Good luck.

sounds like something broke on the game in question or pitched weird. the ball should not make any contact with the pins on a fully functioning game.

Do explain? There were 3 broken pins in the game I repaired. The ball does hit the pins and that force pushes the plunger up into the coil which pulls it up. Would be curious how you think the pins get triggered to go up without contact from the steel ball? Not a huge market just thought we would offer the replacement upgraded solution to any other TBL owners that might wish to have a back up plan.

Curious

They are supposed to go motorized up based on a projectory calculated by the PC based on the moment you release the ball. However, it can happen sometimes they are hit.

So everybody is right here

Well, My potential add-a bowling-ball mod never took off as it didnt feel right to introduce it before TBL production was well underway ..

But , if anyone needs a spare prototype pin,( for replacement only ) hit me up. Out of the original 2014 set of 100, a few got left behind in my shop .

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Tell us about your mod. Some of us (me) may be interested.

Nice

nope

yeah, it is a timing thing not a contact thing. if someone has 3 broken ones, i can imagine the pins were deactivated but the ball was not.. so people kept launching balls against broken mech.

which could happen on route or something, so in that sense its a useful thing to have spares of. i can't imagine someone in their home who knows better is going to going to do that regularly.

if its happening that the ball is running faster than the computer thinks and hits a pin, i'd be looking for ways to slow the ball down a hair. i'd first adjust level of the game.. a steeper playfield makes a less steep bowling alley to see how far you are out. if the game is too steep before the timing corrects then I'd look into how i could shim rhe bowling alley independent of cabinet.

of course, you can go too far the other way and it kind of spoils the effect where the pins are going up so early that it is very noticeable and spoils the effect

What happens after ball is released, does it even matter where the ball travels? So game could be setup 1” high on right side (be totally out of keel) and you could release the ball aligned but ball would become a gutter ball on the left side because of the imbalance. But because of your release, it scores as a strike????

If any of that is accurate, how would changing pitch of game to slow down the ball help because the ball doesn’t make contact with pins?

correct. i will go get photos since people may be curious and my memory not perfect but i think there is an IR beam the ball breaks that starts the clock. the 'which pins should go down' is predetermined based on the direction the launcher is facing. all in all, its pretty convincing given nothing is actually tied to ball hitting anything.

im talking a hypothetical scenario where for whatever reason the ball is 'beating' the pre programmed timing.. getting to the pin before it is pulled up. the timing is pretty tight, to casual observer they may not notice the pin is already moving prior to ball striking it.

Still looking for the right deal and waiting for Munsters reveal. May put up a wanted ad after New Year and ask a friend if I can come over and play his game in the meantime. The problem is after every time I play TBL-it makes me want the game even more.

I made some balls for the side plate , as decoration. Pretty much the same that are offered for sale on pinside .

As a DP team member I did not find it appropriate to sell things to folks who are waiting still on their games.

Can you sell me one?

Just a Guess but I think the wait for paying clients to get a game from DP is Long over.... wish I was wrong but seems obvious at this point. Just trying to support what would have been one of the best game themes ever created and do what little we can to help keep the Few lucky enough to protect these pieces for others to enjoy.

Sure, a good thing. Carry on I say for the Lucky few

6 weeks max , judges verdict will be out, and then its no longer an assumption of what when or what.

Haters will hate, lovers will love .

Who is Hating?? I make parts for a game I Wish I had. What part of my effort did you see as hate. umphhhh

Does this pinball get any updates ?

So 6 weeks for now, there might be a hope that TBL production will resume ? I would be first in line to get one, we are lucky enough to have one on location here in San Francisco, TBL is a masterpiece in every possible way, the game, the theme, the give me the f**** money, the dude's head in the toilets, it's just endless, really never felt that excited about a game !

Project is dead. They heave been out of money for years, Now they are being sued by their contract manufacturer for non payment. Case went to court 1 month ago. Even if they win they have no money to fulfill the 100 or so units that have already been paid for at 8500 each.