Reminding everyone You and your friend got all your money back even now isn't Bragging to a forum full of onlookers that see the fate of doom looming regarding their investment? I must have missed your detailed formula for how this is done though I have seen many ask. Nobody wants to feel like a sucker but Surely nobody wants to be continuously reminded! Post a Step by step 1-10 who, when, how often, with contact info, which companies, license holders, etc step by step how you came out whole and I suspect you will have one of the Highest upvoted posts of this thread. You got your money what do you have to loose? I wasn't trying to poke you and kotos to you for figuring out a back door to make yourself solvent again but this thing is crashing and any lifeline would prove valuable even if for only a few. Trust that the captain won't be staying on that ship when it goes Bloop.

I gotta agree with Yelobird on this one RareHero. Badgering the hell out of someone can have a lot of different definitions to multiple people.
Was it you emailed them for 2 months straight everyday? Did you have your attorney draft a letter threatening a lawsuit?
Did you have a cousin that lives in the Netherlands stop by their office and demand a check?
Or was it a mixed bag of communication and exactly how many times did it take?
I dont think you're trying to brag but direct insight as to exactly what you did, how often, whom you communicated with, could be very valuable right now. It's Defcon 1.

Regarding the holiday... I emailed DP six days ago about a TBL PF and plastics set. Jaap responded in 12 hours asking about an address to calculate shipping. I answered in just over an hour. I haven't heard back. Guess their holiday started as soon as he sent his first email. Wonder if I'll ever get the playfield?

they told me they needed to print more plastics so there would be delay on shipment. larger demand than they expected.

How long ago was that? I just hope to get a PF before they're gone!

I’ve already told the story in all its detail. It’s prob in this thread somewhere. If you can’t find it, I told the story on the podcast that shall not be named, episode “A Rare Refund”.

While I got my refund a year or so ago, I didn’t bring it up right now to brag - I brought it up because today’s update says “no refunds” and literally last weekend my friend texted me with “guess what, we got a refund!!!”

Sorry Yelobird...No one has fancy lawyers or did anything fascinating - and no one expected the result. Like I said, I brought it up because it just happened. Is this not relevant information in this ongoing saga? Should I not share relevant information in the future?

Probably having more made, like the plastics.

wtf? DP advertised spare parts for sale, took your money and then it turns out the plastics weren't run. Congrats on your parts Preorder. I thought preorder model was dead but now see DP has successfully applied this to their parts biz. Now we need to follow thread closely to see if you successfully get what you recently ordered. Glad I never bid on the engineering sample game now. Anybody know if a Pinsider was high bidder?

I beg to differ....

Don't make hasty generalizations. I am on holidays from August 2 to August 12... (but I can't help with DP/ARA)

Has Toucanf16 paid yet?
I know I didn’t pay for my playfield until it was ready. I also know other Pinsider s who have enquired, paid NOTHING yet. And awaiting shipping calculation

Guys - let's at least agree on the holidays. The Dutch seem to have this right and we have fooled ourselves into somehow believing we deserve fewer holidays over here. That is absurd!!

I demand fewer holidays!!! Say that out loud a few times until you feel silly.

We Americans get fewer holidays work overtime with no compensation and our employers here take full advantage of it. When my company deals with our European friends they stop working at 5pm per their laws. If we had that model employers would be forced to staff properly instead of working us to death. Enough said.

The sadly thruth... And then the "american problem" with health insurance....

But now btt: Don't shit on DP cause they are on vacation. They need some regeneration, for next hardest step with Ära. I hope DP can raise some funds to come up and bring the TBLs out to the EAs.
And maybe they can build some machines for new customers, so that I can buy a TBL in the future.

Yep - I think that every EA that missed out on the second TBL shipment to North America because DP went with a smaller 20-game container instead of the previously planned larger 40-game container, got burned equally.

Your burn though RTR is a whole nuther level of pain.

I haven’t paid. Still waiting on Jaap’s reply with a shipping quote.

EA ONLY FORUM is now up and running.

Please get in touch if you cannot get into the thread.

EA ONLY! thanks

Cannot find that thread

Well atleast we know it works then

Click on sub forum at top of list. Select Dutch Pinball and it will be there

Well I have followed this thread and machine from the beginning. I have never put in an order with anyone. I have been silent but very appreciative of any and all info that is shared here.

Seems like that will no longer be the case with the private forum/thread.

So I wish the ea's luck, and would say I'm still highly interested in this machine if it was ever cash and carry.

This thread will still be open. But as the original thread Members Only.. didn’t quite workout that way.

EAs might continue to post here. It’s just this way there won’t be 20+ posts to 1 EA post!

This is pretty much the exact quote I shared with Robin on my concerns and now that I understand the rules and limits of what you can discuss, I’m pretty sure you will fuck it up and this bad pinside idea will go away soon.

If anyone else feels the same I highly suggest you share your thoughts with Robin, especially if you are a + member

When making private threads / subforums came up last year, it was expressed then and he went ahead anyway ...

I don't see the subcategory listed and I assume it was designed to be hidden. Could you or someone explain how this private group will operated? Is there a link to how these groups will operate in general? What are the rules and limits?
Just curious. Thanks

So were the holidays that DP took in years past, paid holidays?

Agreed, so vote with your wallet and trust me if I don’t like something, I don’t “donate”.

Hmm, I'm an EA and I can't see this sub forum. Why didn't you add the EA's from the confirmed list that are posted in these very forums?

Most of Europe operates on these models... where there is a lull period in the summer where nearly everyone takes their vacation time. It's culture that is both practical, and historical. For instance, in Norway the daycare centers close... so the parents have to watch their kids... so they take off work during that time too. When everyone is doing it.. everyone has the expectation that work slows or goes to 'essential' only, etc.

Some countries the period is usually July, others it can be later like August. The shutdown period is paid vacation... because they get a lot of vacation time period. For instance, in the netherlands, the minimum vacation is 4x the # of days worked per week. So a full time 5 day a week person is guaranteed at least 20 vacation days, plus holidays.

If you are an employee of a company on salary... these kinds of things are the norm. Just because we don't operate the same in the US, don't expect everywhere else to operate the same.

I vote we move to the European model!

Pretty accurate Flynnibus

On the other hand pension or retirement .... at the moment 68 and rising in the netherlands.... all pro’s and cons when you look at the whole package, compare medicalcare for instance (well as matter of fact lets not ... )

Some EAs have received refunds, some have sold their spot etc.. so I like to make sure.

I have had several NON EA contact me trying to get in to the forum.

Can someone tell me what is the current situation? Is it getting into production or not?
Thanks

ON HOLD pending resolution of legal suits between ARA and DP. Lawyers for both sides scheduled to meet 8/29.

Stay tuned.

The private forum is awesome. There are free refreshments - all the beer and chicken wings you can eat. Bean bag chairs, cool lighting and we get all the channels for free!

I am going to have another massage in a few minutes and then hit the sauna!!

Seriously though, if you are an EA, let pinhead1982 know so you can get in. But be patient - I don't think this is his full time job.

There is really nothing new to offer now, we are just getting organized, getting some thoughts out there.

Ought to be, you guys dumped enough cash in...

I was wondering why the few EA machine for sale are sold for 20k. Nobody thinks in a positive denouement or is it because even if everything was fine the China building is a letdown quality factor that depreciates the machine?
Currently, does the game need a big code update to enjoy TBL experience?
And why ARA and/or DP have waited so long to bring the case to court?

SNAFU. Situation Normal, All eFFed Up.

We really miss posts like this in the private thread. But you can't have everything I guess.

Going back to the buffet, they have king crab legs today!

At least Roostking didn't say the EA's were all giving each other "hopeful handjobs trying to get their games" like He Who Shall Not Be Named said in his latest podcast.

So much for providing him an exclusive now. Gonna go to Head2Head instead. <cue Marty laugh recording>

RIGHT ON!

I've started spending the $10K that I didn't tithe to DP, as the Klingon's say: It is GLORIOUS!

If a tree falls in the woods and no one is around to hear it - is it still annoying?

A ES own forum makes maybe sense, but please do not expect that you find there answers on your questions.
I understand that DP is bored to answer on pinside ... but they did not communicate with the community nor the EA ... do you think they will turn 180 degrees and start answering ..
I was in the owner forum for BoP 2.0 .. many questions and no answers ... thats DP politics.
At least they are so fair and tell us that the "sell" of too expensive playfields and stuff should bring some money in ... maybe for the lawyer , Ara will not be paied with this peanuts.
I still hope to get an TBL ... cash for pin .... its a great game but DP are all, but no businessman. See the BoP 2.0 .. they are several people willing to buy and wait for years ... this is dead capital !

Too obscure for me

So it's not messed up? See how this is confusing to us? Should I buy a game now since all is good.

I am sure there are plenty of us willing to sell you our pre-order.

I'll wait and see if RTR proclaims that the situation is not still SNAFU. My gut feeling is that I won't be buying one...

My gut feeling is that no more will ever be made.

You like this thread so much, you should buy 2!

Anyone pay in full waiting?