Rug is included for everyone now. Only thing EA's get is a little plaque and a loooooong wait.

Really? Well that is simultaneously not cool for the EA's , while also making me want one of these games even more.

Ok, first off I do apologize if my statement was assumed directed towards the designers or anyone that created this awesome machine. More a distaste for the way the Company has executed so poorly and disregarded all of the people (Yes, including Me) that invested in it. Aside from the absolutely mindless way this company was run I want this title more than Most anything out or to be released. It is so very frustrating that all that comes from this company are false hopes and imaginary promises. I did manage to cancel my order got lucky but yes I got back in line with Hopes they can Find a way to make this a real reality. At present, it appears fruitless unless they can pull off a miracle. Hats off to what was created by the ones that did there part, now it just needs to find its way to the people and believers.

Just wait until they’re ready to ship you a game immediately before you turn a penny over - history of this game shows that to do otherwise would be nuts.

Totally agree. Even DP themselves think the same. Imagine that they are still getting requests for orders with money offered upfront .... DP is not accepting them by the way. Get the line first rolling and orders via distributors where customers money is as safe as possible.

All I want for Christmas is my pin. I really hope they get things together and this year could be ended on a high.Gutters and strikes, ups and downs.

Much like Heighway reborn, no doubt that if someone were to show a wad of cash as payment in full they would magically find themselves at the front of the elastic queue with a number and confirmed shipping date.

Aliens have been landing regularly down under for some time now.

Solvency is their predominant respective hurdle.

I really doubt that. They have not even ordered parts yet. They may go to the front of the line, but that line has no date for started production yet.

I used to wish for the same Xmas gift, but Santa has been letting me down the last few years. He did, however, bring me a GI Joe USS Flagg aircraft carrier in 2015. It took him 30 years, so let's hope he doesn't do the same with TBL.

Sleepy yawn

Well Alien/Heighway is dead so I’m hoping that my other grailpin TBL still survives the preorder curse from 2014. I have seen comments by people in the know that things may be going forward now with TBL, new investor for cash flow for manufacturing. Anyone hear if manufacturing has actually begun? The first sign would be a big order of parts, which I would guess come from PInball Life.

Maybe not parts from the US side via Pinball Life but getting the same items built in China which is closer.

Can anyone confirm the investment rumor?

From what I’ve heard on other threads, I thought for sure there would be some posts here about that.

It's an important question as I have learned to not trust Pinside at all in situations like this. And DP needs to make an announcement to restore faith if it's true.

And even if there's an announcement from DP, people need to continue to protect themselves as best they can until there is concrete evidence that things at DP have stabilized (i.e. games are shipping at a steady and predictable rate to old and new money folks alike). It's tempting to believe that people who love your hobby just as much as you do could never mislead you, or would be incapable of fooling themselves. But at this point, "trust but verify" has to be the rule when dealing with any boutique pinball manufacturer. Or maybe just "verify, verify, verify."

I would settle for just the 'verify' at this point.

BTW, congrats on your long-winded fight against JPOP. Much respect. Let this be a signal to others.
#PinsideStrong

I emailed Barry asking for an update, he replied saying it’s taking a bit longer to get the production going.

I then asked a few Qs about the feedback cointaker have on the Chinese prototypes, how many more TBL have been ordered, have all parts been ordered to begin producing....
he replied again saying now news to announce just yet

I said that with Heighways liquidation it is a concern and that I hoped DP would be more forthcoming in an event like that.

lets hear it for last pre-order debacle still standing!

I have been asked what I know about the rumor for new investors in DP.

Simple answer: nothing. I am wondering where this rumor comes from.

Disclaimer: I am not on DP payroll so my info can mean nothing.

I wonder if the Dutch are familiar with the phrase "No shit Sherlock." ?

Thanks for providing the update @Pinhead1982! (sincerely)

Not sure whether this is a blessing or a curse at this point.

I told Barry they needed to be more transparent after the Skit-B & Jpop debacles exploded. Yet, here we still are. You’ve all seen how the dominos are falling. Is everyone still going to just “wait and hope for the best” still? In 2018? If Dutch looks in the mirror, the reflection they see is Heighway.

...and before the sycophants attack me for not having skin in the game, good friends of mine DO have fully paid orders in and I feel protective of them. A good friend of mine who’s not in the hobby bought one, partially off of my excitement for the product. He’s asked multiple times for a refund and has been refused. He will go check in with Universal licensing soon if he’s not refunded. That’s what ended up working for me. I suggest others who want out let DP know that they will do the same.

It would be in the best interest of everyone if the DP guys started up regular email NSNL updates starting this month. This whole HP cluster frack just reinforces the concerns. They have always been there and the implementation of consistent brief communications will be a powerful tool for confidence building if this truly is going forward. It’s been only 6 months since the Xytech announcement and pinball production is complicated, so some delay is not surprising, But just keep us updated. Like is that contract to start production signed?

Only on pinside can the demise of one pinball company be considered an issue for the overall business health of another. Heighway’s failure was due to a completely separate set of issues. I don’t see the guys at DP living high off the hog and starting a boat company.

“No money to make the games” is the real problem, and the why of it is a secondary concern - people just want their games. DP’s not in bankruptcy so it’s still possible they’ll pull something off, but how could anyone believe it until they’re shipping games in steady numbers?

My bad, everything seems great. While I was gone, did the 200-300 people who ordered games 3-4 years ago all get their games?

Only on Pinside is there neverending trust for those who haven’t earned it.

No, but 16 different Marvel movies came and went from theaters during your time away. At this rate, Avatar 4 will be in theaters by the time we see this game.

It's an amazing phenomenon.

Well, I don’t see them soliciting money from people to go to the front of the line, or promising the same machine to multiple buyers. I don’t see any new houses or cars. Is it a great situation? No, but at least they are moving forward. They can still right the ship.

But there is a “red light district “

LMAO, this true.

Mismanaged funds and over promising will do DP in as well. If people have money in on T, I'd try to get it back. If the company survives, then buy again.

This looks like a great opportunity for Homepin to produce Lebowski. They have the Manufacturing foundation, which is important for parts supply.The established Chinese connection would be key for future production of this machine.
They obviously need an "A" list Title, Lebowski would fulfill this requirement in spades.
I am familiar with the politics around Homepin, I could care less at this point.
It would be great if these machines could be built.

Serious question. What pin or pins has home pin produced?

That's cool!

People have asked for refunds. DP has already stated they do not have the money to refund us.

BTDT......

Let me know their locations. I live in Hong Kong and work out of Guangzhou and would love to see one of your games.

I'm in Shenzhen in October, what locations can I play?

no don't even do that. Go with your credit card, let them load it on your vehicle, then pay for it.

Same holds true for any upstart in that regard, even Homepin. DP is still trying to make it right though. They haven’t bowed out. We can all sit back and arm chair QB about any of these companies, reality is, it’s not easy. Lotta ins, lotta outs....

Fingers crossed for Xytech or Homepin manufacturing The Big Lebowski, Australian distributor and then boom, I'll buy one.

DPL spent money on White Russians, private suite parties, booth babes, and air-fare to pinball shows, ..
the money did not last long.

So long, and thanks for all the fish..

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they had a lot of fun with the preorder money

How is their track record any better than Xytech? I'd like to believe that Xytech has even better access to part procurement due to their 10+ years of experience...in China. The last thing we need is another new contract manufacturer.

What DP needs to do is keep us updated more often. At this point, we should be getting weekly status updates between now and manufacturing (which is conducted internally in product development). What's going on with the parts? What is holding up Start of Production?

Based on their past, no news is not good news. The speculation and doubts will continue until they get more proactive on sharing info. I don't care if it's a photo of Jaap emptying the wastebasket. It's better than nothing.

I think you better stock up on arthritis pills.