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Quoted from Rensh:Q: Will there be future code updates and will the software be compatible with both TBL versions?
A: Yes. We are working on a smaller update which will be released very soon and when the new games ship they will include complete code version 1.0 (including Wizard Mode).
Well that's very good news.
The test lies 10 days away, at DPO Expo. Let's hope it holds up.
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Quoted from colonel_caverne:I guess they don’t have any update about EU distributor(s)?
I’m sure currently, its on the “to do” list but not high priority 
Quoted from RTR:I have moved the crow towards the front of the freezer for better access. It's in front of the frozen butter beans, but still behind the ice cream.
lol
Your crow is the "Doomsday Clock" of the TBL club thread.
Quoted from Time:Can we get some high res photos (if not before at least during DPO) of under the playfield?
I'll see if I can snap a few...
Quoted from Mr68:I don't know about the reset and that's the first I've become aware of them. I will be sending that link to DP for them to review.
I heard back from Barry almost immediately and they are sending me the PROC fix kit. Outside of minor tweaks this has been the only issue my game has had and it's been rock solid for a year (?) now.
What is the PROC fix kit and what does it fix?
Oh wait was this the "PROC Not Found" error the early owners were seeing. Something about how the p-roc boards were mounted they were losing connection to the PC?
Quoted from Mr68:I heard back from Barry almost immediately and they are sending me the PROC fix kit. Outside of minor tweaks this has been the only issue my game has had and it's been rock solid for a year (?) now.
If that's what the PROC fix is I know my operator for my TBL has had that fixed and we haven't seen that error since we originally were getting it. I'm happy that he's provided input to DP on fixes that were implemented since he's one of the best tech/Ops in our area so his insights are quite valuable...
Quoted from genex:If that's what the PROC fix is I know my operator for my TBL has had that fixed and we haven't seen that error since we originally were getting it. I'm happy that he's provided input to DP on fixes that were implemented since he's one of the best tech/Ops in our area so his insights are quite valuable...
I have had the P-Roc fix on for like 3-4 months and think I had one P-Roc error since. It definitely reduces it and probably eliminates it for most. Even when you get it, just retightening the connections does the trick.
Quoted from kklank:Crickets......
+1
On another note, I’m in Shanghai today. Only about 30 or 40 miles from where our new pins are being assembled.
Regarding the Xytech made TBL I can say it was a race against the clock but they made it and I saw the machine fully working at the DP office yesterday.
DP probably needs today to adjust the switches a bit further and dial it in some more.
For those interested I was involved in getting the software to work on the new hardware. I think it was quite a feat by DP and Xytech to get this machine ready for the show; now let's hope it plays well all weekend! And if it doesn't for whatever reason just remember that it was a race against the clock, the game has a lot of new parts and hardware and sometimes diagnosing and fixing new issues on the show floor can be tough.
See you at the DPO!
- Koen
It will be interesting if TBL 2.0 made in china is better/worse or the same as TBL 1.0
Quoted from mavantix:Wow, that's awesome! One actually exists in the wild. White Russians for all?!
Quoted from luvthatapex2:It will be interesting if TBL 2.0 made in china is better/worse or the same as TBL 1.0
The board configuration will be better IMHO.. hopefully the build quality is as good or better.
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Quoted from luvthatapex2:It will be interesting if TBL 2.0 made in china is better/worse or the same as TBL 1.0
Regardless of anything else, one cost / quality reduction they absolutely should implement, is the massively thick backglass IMO. It's ludicrously heavy, and likely extremely costly. I can't imagine that anyone will kick up too much of a fuss over its omission.
Most other stuff, save the boards, which should be both cheaper and better, will likely be very similar if not identical.
The cabinet is the big question mark. The ply was heavy, dense, high quality stuff in the original TBLs; though seeing the joinery at ARA of a number of cabinets, it wasn't perfect. Remains to be seen how the Chinese one compares.
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Quoted from rubberducks:Regardless of anything else, one cost / quality reduction they absolutely should implement, is the massively thick backglass IMO. It's ludicrously heavy, and likely extremely costly. I can't imagine that anyone will kick up too much of a fuss over its omission.
It also makes updating the software more challenging than other machines - it's a two person job!
Quoted from JustLikeMe:It also makes updating the software more challenging than other machines - it's a two person job!
Hopefully now that they've said the software is being finished, the next update will bring wifi.
I noticed that too. Definately different.
Quoted from sd_tom:That looks like full rez lcd vs dots mode or just photo blur?
Quoted from luvthatapex2:I noticed that too. Definately different.
Koen was working on hi res mode, at least for the actual movie clips, a year ago at the time of the DP Party. Perhaps it has now come to fruition. Personally, it never made sense to me to heavily artificially dot-ise video scenes.
Not convinced it's not a trick of the camera though.
Quoted from sd_tom:That looks like full rez lcd vs dots mode or just photo blur?
Think Its photoblur, didn’t notice anything special when playing on the display. Could be to tired ofcourse from setting up 450 pinballs . What you see on the pictures is just a part .....
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Quoted from Rensh:Think Its photoblur, didn’t notice anything special when playing on the display. Could be to tired ofcourse from setting up 450 pinballs . What you see on the pictures is just a part .....
Wow, just wow. Very impressive and thanks to all that make this possible. See you on Sunday 
I played the new Xytech one and talked to both Barry & Jaap.
IMO it feels largely identical, though the flippers were set a bit weak (software).
The cabinet felt very solid, and the under panel looked decent. People were playing the whole time and keys weren't present, so didn't get a chance to inspect the unpainted ply or corner joints (with lockbar off). Finish and application of decals was virtually identical to the ARA example.
Back box, both my friend and I felt was joined very poorly. However, on speaking to Barry, he said that wire clearance had been an issue on the Chinese ES so he'd swapped it for an old ARA head. He also mentioned that the main cabinet had been made a few mm too narrow (though everything fit) and would be rectified.
Decals were from the original supplier, but they're still searching for a local Chinese supplier of acceptable quality.
All the metal parts and wiring are Chinese, as is the cabinet, as is the back glass. All the light boards are Chinese. LCD was said to also be Chinese (original was said to be Korean last year). Bowling alley is also Chinese, and has apparently been revised slightly to avoid errors and stuck balls. Translite I think will be Chinese, but unclear if the one there was.
Hugely thick, heavy plate glass is being changed. It won't be as thin as normal backbox glass, but will be lighter and thinner than the existing one.
Koen was there, so as well as his recent words and those of DP, I think it likely he will indeed continue to work on code. Freek (electronics) & Roel (sound & SFX) were also with Jaap & Barry.
Jaap & Barry both thought it would be difficult to ship any games this year, but production would hopefully start - depended on final suppliers, and correcting any further problems that arise (and they may do this weekend).
Haven't had any issues with customs / import protocol in getting the US / EU parts to China, but TNT did lose the first pallet, causing delay / consternation.
Barry will be heading out again to oversee any needed changes, final supplier selection and build protocol.
No decision on further availability or price.
Both seemed fairly upbeat. IMO Barry offered more information and a slightly more realistic assessment.
Quoted from MikeHogue:Man that pin looks awesome!
Starting to get excited again!
Exactly what i was thinking.
I have been filling this thread for a while, but bear with me as I may be late to the party. Are these new prototypes through cointaker?
Also do they have any shipping estimates yet? Thanks so much TBL is a grail pin for me and have been trying to figure out how to get my hands on one
Quoted from Soulrider911:I have been filling this thread for a while, but bear with me as I may be late to the party. Are these new prototypes through cointaker?
Also do they have any shipping estimates yet? Thanks so much TBL is a grail pin for me and have been trying to figure out how to get my hands on one
CoinTaker will still be the USA distributor for the new (China manufactured) TBL games. No shipping estimates at this point other than nothing likely to be sooner than early 2018.
Thanks so much for the reply Tuna_Delight China manufactured
Quoted from Soulrider911:China manufactured
Vs not at all. The first 50 or so built in the Netherlands and then there was a falling out with that contract manufacturer. So, this vs going out of business.
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