Dang all these of these sound like a power issue. I don't know the game that well nor do I own it myself (yet) but I'm wondering if all three aren't somehow tied to the same issue?

I have the game on order but I've purposely not been watching a lot of streams so that I can be surprised when I finally play it. I just peaked at the manual and the only thing I saw was about profiles! COOL! So it'll keep track of all my progress, I did not know that!

I wish other pins did this.

The one thing this game desperately needed was an updated code. Well done dp!

Does anyone have a stream going? I want to see some of it.

This is a very good sign for the game and dp in general. Very well done. Thank you for this detailed description.

It worked, yes. Thank you!

Oh no! That rug really tied the whole game together.

9 months to a year, leaning more towards the year I believe.

But if production ramps up (rumored to be true?) it could be sooner.

I’m huge into pinball and think TBL will be better for me. GnR is more of a visual masterpiece, but I feel it’s less of a players game than TBL.

I’m started to dislike these games that last 30-40 minutes. I had a 250 million ball one on Avengers last week and I just drained it and plunged the rest. It’s not a challenge, it’s a grind. From what I gather, GnR is similar, TBL is not.

I hope that’s right, anyway.

I hear it plays like Williams/Bally 90s games. I love AFM and MM. I don’t mind easy games, it’s the grind that I hate. If you have to grind you way to points, it’s not fun for me.

IMO, Wizard Modes should be nearly impossible. I had a Dialed In and I put it on the hardest setting, got Wizard Mode once in four years. I still remember it. Heart was pumping. I purposely never watched any video of it before so it was a total surprise to me. One of my greatest pinball moments. haha, I managed to reach it while waiting for my wife to get ready to go somewhere, just remembered that.

I also had R&M and Monster Bash... wizard modes galore. Kind of boring after a while. Sold them both after maybe just 8 months each.

If it's not challenging, it gets too boring too quick.

I ordered one.

I don't even have a TBL.

Yet.

Yup. Patiently. Ordered only a couple months ago.

PROVE IT

You're being very un-dude.

I'd love to see your math on that. I also wonder how many EAs are left to be built. If they can get through the EAs, they'd make so much more money on this game.

13.5 per month = 162 per year, and this is in a covid season with suppliers running short on deliveries. That's not too shabby.

Wow. At this pace it'd take another 8 years to fulfill those orders.

If they could ramp up production and get to their next game (Queen, if I remember?) they would absolutely clean house.

I haven't heard of any playfield issues with TBL.

I would expect anything between 8 and 18 months, with 10-14 being around the timeframe for most people.

I hope they are able to ramp up production soon. They are sitting on a literal gold mine with no end in sight.

I did this a month ago and they replied that I had to wait for supplies to be shipped so they could make more. Just fyi.

It never went any farther than that...

Maybe I should reach out again.

Where did you get the pins and where will they go in the game?

I found the ball & pins on Amazon for $7!

https://www.amazon.com/Bowling-Keychain-Pendant-Rings-Favors/dp/B086HG2SB1/ref=sr_1_5

I gotta say, dp doing all the right things. Builds are slow, but communication is pretty good, code is improving, and the confidence in the company is growing.

Keep it up dp! I wanna see you guys succeed, and I wanna buy more games!

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How did these games make it out of the factory? I thought all games were tested.

Not placing blame, just trying to figure out a game gets from point A to point B and then an issue pops up. Feels weird that a board could be just fine in the testing phase and then only a few weeks (or less) later it doesn't work.

I hope this is the issue. If the new board doesn't solve it.... whoa boy...

Yeah that's what I mean. "Whoa boy" as in..... what the heck else could it be? It's not a mechanical issue.

Huh... that is bizarre. And like TomDK said, the only difference is the outlet power. But not all TBLs in that batch are experiencing the same issues, right? So weird. Never heard of anything like this. Good on you guys for potentially finding the issue.

Nicely done. Good work TBL crew!

I'd really love to see this game continue to be one of the best ever made and then to see dp do even more beyond TBL.

Confidence is growing!

That had not occurred to us, dude.

Congrats!

https://pinside.com/pinball/market/shops/1203-thedudemods/04625-burger-sign-for-tbl

I love that topper

Video unavailable.

Can you post a direct link?

If it lights up I like B better. if not, I like A better.

cpr please put one of everything aside for me. I think I've asked you this before but I just want to make sure. When you're done with that spinning bowling sign I'll get everything.

Way to make me jealous...

That's a hell of an idea. The rug can easily be seen all the time, and it doesn't get worn down by being on the ground. Excellent idea.

This is the kind of thing that'll make some great noise in the pinball world.

Imagine if dp made all EAs whole on top of creating a great-working game with code to completion. This would make me feel very confident in purchasing their next title, whatever it may be.

EA is in the early 70s... 70, 71, 72... around that.

DP has tried to speed things up if I understand correctly, but the cost of supplies and shipping has slowed things down.

Dang this was a pretty fun read!

I had a similar reaction in the initial stages, and when I learned that dp was making games again, I thought I'd wait it out and watch them get delivered before I plunked down a deposit. I'm glad I did and the wait is nearing an end with an expected deliver in the first half of this year since my deposit was March 2021.

I have seen pictures and some video, but for the most part I've tried to keep myself in the dark about this game so that when I play it, it's all new to me. I also have tons of mods ordered in boxes and ready to be added to the game, and a topper on the way. I may have gone overboard with mods!

And yes, the TBL community is great. When problems arise, there are several people ready to respond to fix it, most notably Rensh, who was so active with updates, news, and problem solving that it's why I ultimately decided to buy the game.

Thanks for sharing, welcome to the club!

I don't mean to be a complainer, but there's already a thread dedicated to TBL support. It would be great if all that stuff was put over there to keep everything organized so when people look for ways to fix their games, they aren't searching through 2 or 3 different threads.

This thread should be for all non-support related posts.

Is that your only form of ID?

It definitely exists as a video somewhere in this thread. Not sure what key phrase to search but if you give it a couple minutes you will find it.

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/the-big-lebowski-preorder-club

You could do the fix right now if you wanted to: https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/the-big-lebowski-official-club-thread/page/70#post-6885466

The ones on their website appear to be different than the ones you are showing on your game: https://www.titanpinball.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=138

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I am FINALLY a part of this club! I wanted to own this game since it was revealed, and never thought I'd have the chance. I am beyond stoked!

Game is well build, high quality parts, sturdy, heavy, solid. There were not issues or problems beyond a "bend this" here and a "lift that" there. Game plays as it should. The sound is amazing, the gameplay is impressive, the variation of shots and things you can do is great!

Dutch Pinball really hit a home run here. I can't wait to see the finished code. If Dutch makes another game, I'll absolutely be interested.

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The game is available for the public to play @ The Pinball Co-op, the only place in all of New England you can find this game on location!

Uhh.... dang! I literally just spent an hour putting rubbers on. I have vinyl tubing.

Plastic protectors eh? I may have ordered some already, I'll have to check.

Thank you, fellow dude.

Typo I bet. I'm sure he meant after the fact.

Looks like you have a stuck switch perhaps?

I'm looking at adding a chrome coin door. I was told that any Bally/Williams door will do, is that true?

This? http://www.pinballdecals.com/ChromeDoorPage.html

If I'm wrong, can someone point me in the right direction? Thanks!

Have any velcro? Put one small piece of it at the end of the rail where the ball comes out and it'll kick nicely each time to the left flipper. Doesn't look too bad, and you can easily remove it if you don't like it.

I told Melissa (Cointaker) that I wanted the apron, she replied OK.

Then the day arrived to pay my bill and it was $600 short, so I emailed her back and she told me she forgot to include the apron in my bill / order. She fixed it on the spot and it was installed when it arrived.

I never contacted DP about the apron, just Melissa.

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I have played quite a bit of both. I own TBL and get to play GZ quite a bit down at the co-op.

If you want depth of rules and code, GZ is the way to go.

If you want artistry, humor, and cleaner shots, TBL is the winner.

More heart-pounding action and crazy gameplay? Godzilla.

A game that's easier to play and newer pinball players will gravitate towards? TBL.

When you go to sell either one, TBL will probably net you a higher return, but both will have a market for second hand games.

If it was my only pin or if I only had 3 or fewer in my house, I'd honestly buy Godzilla. TBL is best in a larger collection.

I haven't needed to adjust my TBL scoop, but on previous games (ACNC, R&M) I simply grabbed the hood of the scoop and twisted it a tad with my bare hands. Worked like a charm and it didn't need to be moved much.

That's awesome.

Is it going to be programmed like a Stern so that you can play the wizard mode right away if you want? I only ask because I see "ball one" on the screen as if it's the first thing being played.

Unsolicited feedback (which everyone loves...)

It'd be great if the code was a little deeper. Collecting 100 spinner spins gives you "Bunny Multiball" or a combination of X spins, Y ramps and Z pops gives you "Jackie Treehorn's Mansion Multiball" or whatever.

Just something else so there's more to shoot for at times.

You should really write this in the maintenance thread so it's all in one place. Plus, someone there may have already written your answer in a previous reply.

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/a-lotta-ins-a-lotta-outs-tbl-maintenance-thread/page/26#post-7016665

Two things:

1) This is the club thread. You should post this stuff to the maintenance thread: https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/a-lotta-ins-a-lotta-outs-tbl-maintenance-thread

2) I'm not next to my game right now, but I'm fairly certain the fight flipper is a double-switch mechanism. Make sure when you press the flipper that the leafs on the switch are lined up properly, and that they make good solid contact (not just barely connecting). If that all looks good, take some isopropyl alcohol and clean it with a q tip.

I agree with per3per3, but just for the sake of answering the question:

Take off the garage roof. One screw in the back, 3 screws on the top, 4 on the ramp and that's it. Comes off very easily.

I second this. Rensh is literally the ONLY reason I felt confident enough to make this purchase. I would have passed otherwise.

I just want to express my gratitude to the whole Dutch Pinball crew. This game is rock solid. The board on the MPF was bad but that's not Dutch Pinball's fault. They sent me a new one and the game has been flawless since. There were no other issues with the game. Solid build, solid game, great theme, etc. It's one of the all time greats for sure.

Rensh I know you asked me to take pictures but I can't for the life of me figure out what you want lol. The game is also not at my house but on location so people can play it. I can tell you that zero of the board from the MPF is touching anything anywhere underneath. There are two screws acting as a barrier that touch other parts of the game but that's it. The MPF board itself is untouched anywhere except for where it makes contact with the MPF.

I've lifted quite a few pins up a set of stairs and I did it twice solo. I'm not a strong guy. When I have a second person below the game just constantly pushing on it the venture is 10x easier. That's all I ever needed. It's only 300-350 pounds or so and most of that weight is on the downward vector.

I would take the pin out of the box and off of the pallet, fix it to a furniture dolly, ask a second person for help by pushing on the bottom of the game as I go up, and that would do it. It's easier than you think.

Don't use a big wheeled dolly. Just use a normal one.

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Can we talk TBL settings for a bit?

I've changed the rug mode setting so that you have to hit the rug just one time to unroll it for every mode. The further back the rug is, the harder it is to activate the switch. I've had a lot more fun playing the game this way.

Oh, and my TBL came with the bowling alley left gutter turned off, right turned on. Not sure why but I left it as is. I need to hit the pins on the left side a tad to activate that I've hit them. I don't know if that's because of the gutter settings or not.

Anyone else change rug mode hits to just one like I did or have the bowling alley settings this way too? What other settings have you changed?

lol

I have zero complaints with theme integration. I already rate that a solid 10 out of 10.

I'd like deeper rules. If the rules aren't deeper then I'll probably be considering this update disappointing tbh. And I wouldn't need much either. Collect 50 spins, 20 pops and 10 ramps for BUNNY multiball playing a version of Viva Las Vegas, with the jackpots being two randomized shots somewhere on the playfield, and when you hit just one it'll randomize to another two shots on the playfield, etc.

I just pulled that out of thin air, I dunno. It's easy to criticize. It's much harder to put into practice.

But I like the code very much as is, so whatever is added on will make me a happy guy.

It's the 4 pin connector. The two pin plugs into one side of it. I think the connectors have a lip to prevent you from plugging it into the wrong side.

Double this.

Quality guy, great products, don't fret.

I do wish I could stack multiballs with modes.

Possible bug:

during matchplay today, someone started multi ball and then tilted. The game did not search for a lost ball for about two minutes, and then it finally kicked it out of the scoop.

This update is amazing. I'm literally in awe.

I do. Super fast installation, nothing really to it. It holds up very well. It gets hit with quite a few air balls so make sure you tighten the screw down when you put it in place.

I've been a pinball enthusiast for over a decade, and have cycled through countless machines at my location through the years. After 5 full hours of play on TBL yesterday, it's my opinion that this code update is single-handedly the greatest update in pinball history. The game is forever transformed into the best-integrated machine of all time and it is unlikely to be surpassed. The action is non-stop, shots are found everywhere, points are found everywhere, and if you're good enough with the new rules you can blow up the game like never before.

-- The new callouts keeps the player engaged and there's no guesswork on where you need to go
-- The hidden jackpots are fun and creative
-- The added characters give the game new life and more smiles (Knox Harrington's laugh.... lol)
-- The bowling ball perks are creative and allows for variation of strategy in every game
-- The car and rug modes are no longer excruciating
-- The extra movie clips keep the game fresh instead of repetitive
-- The shot multipliers add gameplay strategy for high scores
-- There's more variation in the bowling alley shots which keep it fun
-- There are so many movie scenes now. It's a joy to constantly look up at the screen, and to even be able to. The game pauses long enough at those intervals to allow the user to enjoy those moments. Not enough games do that
-- The bonus actually has value (someone got 8 million on their first try last night)
-- The new sounds and new music adds to the audio variation
-- The Mystery awards are fun and not repetitive like last time

I have this game on location at The Pinball Co-op (pay to enter, play as much as you want). Anyway, this game had a line of people playing it all night long. Six hours of constant play in total, and nobody got tired of it. It was like a whole new game. The rules have enough depth to be constantly challenging and entertaining for pinball veterans, while at the same time not being too confusing for pinball noobies. It's literally the perfect balance for everyone. It's like a more-complex and incredibly packed Bally/Williams game. This update alone immediately vaults the value of this machine up another grand or two. Why are people paying more for a Toy Story?

In my opinion: It's the best layout, the best theme-integration, and best ruleset in pinball history.

Bravo, Dutch Pinball. You have a masterpiece.

It's customizable and there are several configurations to choose from. I chose option 6 I believe, which is the closest to LCD imo.

Same, and though I've never messed with the settings, I think it has something to do with having the gutters on and off. I have the right gutter on but the left one off, so everything is skewed left.

That's my guess, I'm not certain if that's the reason or not. That's the way it came out of the box so I just left it.

No. But there is a setting to reduce the number of hits the rug takes between each mode. I reduced that and feel it's much more less aggravating now.

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/a-lotta-ins-a-lotta-outs-tbl-maintenance-thread/

I think I have a 187-ish. I don't often go for the 10 frames but I had a good game once.

I'm wondering why the code doesn't allow all unfinished games to end with all gutters. What if I had a game with 9 strikes and then I drained? In real bowling, if I started with 9 frames and couldn't finish for any reason, that game would end with a score of 240.

Why is my high score of 187 better than an unfinished game of 240? Shouldn't be that way imo. It'd be cool if a future update could fix that. Perhaps a small ask, but I think it's important to reflect the rules of the USBC.

Where can someone buy dp signs such as these?

Asking for research purposes.

Damnit. I found pooling and chipping around the posts. I didn't even see anything then a tiny chip popped off and I thought "what in the heck was that flying across the playfield?"

Came to this thread and wham, issues with others as well. Damnit. DAMNIT! 13k game with add ons that pushes it to 15k-ish and this happens. I can't blame DP. They have been awesome imo and they work hard to make sure everyone is happy. I'll just play and wait and see card. I mean, they just mailed me some bowling pins after I offered to pay for them. Gotta love that.

My serial is DO-01-00698, fyi. Should I post pics? I'll post one. That is not a reflection, that's paint chipped right off. Most of it is around the bumper posts. Some can be found at the pops.

For what it's worth I just got a new mirco Paragon playfield and it had 2 defects on it. They are so small that you wouldn't see them unless you looked for them, but they are indeed there.

That's a bummer, man. That's a bummer.

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It's funny you guys mention this, I had just tightened mine. The tricky part is that the nut underneath the playfield is the part you actually need to tighten.

I needed to take the standup switch that's next to it off of the playfield to be able to get to the angle necessary to get to the nut. Once I did that it was easier... but not easy. You'll need a strong pair of needle-nose pliers.

Just to clarify Rensh, who should do this and what's the benefit?

I doubt there's any plans in the works, but:

With TBL on location, I use it in every tournament that I host. Nobody goes for rug modes or car modes since the scoring on those things is minimal. Everyone goes for multiball and jackpots. There's really no other way to play the game in tournaments or leagues.

Is there any plan to address the scoring? You could triple the value of the modes and it would probably be worth going for in tournaments, maybe even 4x.

Does anyone else play TBL in tournaments and leagues? Do you feel the same way?

Yeah if I'm trying to blow up the scores, I do this same exact thing.

It would be really nice to have any of the modes be worth a significant amount so they are worth playing.

I don't see why these pins can't be made with a 3d printer.

There's gotta be someone here who has figured that out.

PinballHaven Sonic

When can we expect your mod to be ready for purchase?

Just in case anybody is wondering about buying this game and reading this thread for clues on how well it holds up:

My TBL is on location at The Pinball Co-op. It's only played twice per week, Wed & Fri 6-10. It has 4500 plays on it, and I've owned it since May of last year.

-- The #4 and #6 pins down below both broke. dp sent free replacements.
-- The plastic on the right stand up target on the dude ramp broke. New target installed with ease.

As far as what broke due to usage, that's it. I had one of the games with a bad upper playfield board and dp sent a new one. I also have chipping and pooling as I'm one of those 100 games to have a bad playfield, but dp is also giving me the option to buy a new one at a significantly reduced value.

All in all, pretty solid machine considering all the moving parts that are in it. It is holding up as well as a Stern would. Great world under glass. The value you're getting for 13k is MORE than the value you're getting for a Stern LE. It's not even close, and I have a FFLE coming my way.

Thanks dutch! Love it!

TBL was my one and only experience through CT and I'll never go through them again. Poor communication for sure. I purchased TBL, had Alien on order, and wanted to buy a third game. CT had a setup at Pintastic so I went to him (forgot his name) and inquired about buying the third game, and he basically ignored me. Hardly a response, nobody else was around, couldn't care less that I was asking how to give him 10k of my money so that I could buy a game that I know he has in stock.

After that, I cancelled my Alien order. I'll never deal with them again. They don't need my business anyway. I have a feeling that they are so overwhelmed with orders that they can't keep up with the demand, which is why their communication sucks.

The number of people here who have had communication complaints is through the roof. I was very nervous that if I had an issue with the game that I wouldn't be able to contact CT for help. I don't know what their issue really is, but it's been this way for 3-4 years now, and it probably isn't getting any better.

Still, ain't getting a TBL without them, so there's that.

Omg that video was AWESOME! I loved the whole thing. Barry seems like a very nice guy & good boss. The employees all looked pretty happy doing what they were doing.

The bowling alley assembly blew me away. It has to have its own separate space and crew to put it together! 70 meters or wire alone! WOW! I watched that part a few times. So much to see and hear.

The white russian pour was very cool. I thought those came pre-assembled. I could have watched that half an hour lol. So satisfying.

The original white wood at 9:50. That thing should be hanging on a wall or something. So weird to see it on a pallet in the center of the facility just laying around.

The whole process was very fun to see. Dutch really has their stuff together. I love my game, it's my number one game of all time by far. I actually just reached "The Dude Abides" for the first time only a couple hours ago (no extra balls). Pretty stoked to do that and then come home and see this video. It's like someone is telling me to order another TBL or something!

Thanks dp! Such a great tour and I really look forward to seeing what's next. Based on what we all just saw today, you're going to kill it!

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My understanding is that only playfields between 500-600 were affected.

I could be wrong, but this is what I remember.

When is the last day I can place another order for TBL? The one I have at the co-op is doing great, but I want one at my house.

~10 years. Wow. At least it got done. Kudos to you and to the guys at Dutch for pulling through when all looked lost.

That would look awesome.

I'm a little surprised nobody has thought of making such things for the lower playfield yet. Such a vast space to work with, and what I would assume to be easy install.