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#3701 1 year ago
Quoted from fosaisu:

What are the golds going for now?

6800

If they drop to 6000 then I may buy one for home. I figure it is worth slightly more than Pro type pricing as a personal game. That said, I have been playing more BK3000 than Beatles lately

#3702 1 year ago
Quoted from fosaisu:

What are the golds going for now?

Call around. I'm not going to spoil the party. But it's a decent discount.

#3703 1 year ago
Quoted from vireland:

Call around. I'm not going to spoil the party. But it's a decent discount.

Spoil what party? There’s no rule about disclosing sale prices anymore, so smoke ‘em if you’ve got ‘em.

#3704 1 year ago
Quoted from fosaisu:

Spoil what party? There’s no rule about disclosing sale prices anymore, so smoke ‘em if you’ve got ‘em.

This is not an advertised thing and I don't think Stern or other full list price dists would be happy to see it out there. Call around if you're in the market. You'll find a deal.

#3705 1 year ago

$6,800 may be a deal but not a good one. Now if you’d said they could be found for $5k, my ears would have perked up.

#3706 1 year ago
Quoted from cottonm4:

Ha Ha Ha. The Beatles mostly got hammered for no ramps and too much money. For some reason coding has not been an issue for The Beatles; I guess because it is based on a 35 year old design.
For $500.00 less for a Munsters Premium, you got the two ramps, an extra (mini) play field, and a code that everybody seems to love to hate.
So, nobody is happy

35 year old design? Hmm...I guess you are referencing the Seawitch layout. From my perspective, the Seawitch layout is more interesting than the really uninspired Munsters layout.

Trust me, there is 0 connection between "the coding" and "a 35 year old design". Look at IMDN, Stern inherited a largely complete layout/design and then screwed up many of the Premium/LE mechs (sarcophagus, captive ball, shooter lane, etc.).

Shit, my favorite game of all-time is TRON and the layout is arguably Funhouse. When it was first disclosed, I remember making fun of the major similarities. TRON is a perfect example where the sum is greater than the parts. I think this is true for The Beatles as well...particularly for folks that grew up with 80's style games.

#3707 1 year ago
Quoted from Whysnow:

just sharin some #s
no need to be sensitive about it. I still love the game and think it is one of the best Stern games in the past 5 years!
I think it continues to demonstrate how the pricing model failed miserably.

The Diamond/Platinum pricing didn't make sense to me at all.

The Gold was priced similar to a Premium. I paid $7,500 when it was first released. "normal" Premiums sell for $7,000. $500 seemed like fair "premium" over a Premium due to license and unit cap of 1,614.

I hope you get your NIB Beatles Gold for $6,500, but highly doubt it will get down to 6k. Distributor margins aren't that high and I doubt they feel like losing money. I guess Stern could help distributors lower the prices even more, but that would be really out-of-character.

#3708 1 year ago
Quoted from snaroff:

I guess Stern could help distributors lower the prices even more, but that would be really out-of-character.

Yep. Agreed. It ain't going to happen.

#3709 1 year ago
Quoted from jeffspinballpalace:

$6,800 may be a deal but not a good one. Now if you’d said they could be found for $5k, my ears would have perked up.

Yeah, around Pro pricing is the point at which it becomes very interesting. Current ridiculous pricing basically means the other 900 Golds left to get to 1964 will never be made.

#3710 1 year ago
Quoted from vireland:

Yeah, around Pro pricing is the point at which it becomes very interesting. Current ridiculous pricing basically means the other 900 Golds left to get to 1964 will never be made.

I just visited The Beatles Store and noticed they are charging 10k for Golds? (https://thebeatlesstore.com/collections/pinball). WTF?

While it's easy to whine about pricing, I think a more creative marketing strategy would have spurred more sales (art/rock memorabilia, CD/vinyl stores in major cities). Depending on The Beatles Store exclusively for "reaching" non-pinheads hasn't worked...

Everyone that has seen/played my Beatles Gold loves it. While pricing is apparently an issue for guys like you (who are comparing the cost with other games), there is a world of art/music memorabilia buyers that aren't going to blink on price. Unfortunately, Stern isn't working on solving that problem. Hey, if only 700 Golds actually get made, it will only strengthen resale if/when the time comes. At the moment, not many owners are letting them go.

#3711 1 year ago
Quoted from snaroff:

I just visited The Beatles Store and noticed they are charging 10k for Golds? (https://thebeatlesstore.com/collections/pinball). WTF?
While it's easy to whine about pricing, I think a more creative marketing strategy would have spurred more sales (art/rock memorabilia, CD/vinyl stores in major cities). Depending on The Beatles Store exclusively for "reaching" non-pinheads hasn't worked...
Everyone that has seen/played my Beatles Gold loves it. While pricing is apparently an issue for guys like you (who are comparing the cost with other games), there is a world of art/music memorabilia buyers that aren't going to blink on price. Unfortunately, Stern isn't working on solving that problem. Hey, if only 700 Golds actually get made, it will only strengthen resale if/when the time comes. At the moment, not many owners are letting them go.

Whatever Stern was thinking on the marketing and pricing, it didn't work. Selling Pros for Premium/LE/SLE pricing was rejected by the market. Thankfully. I would not be surprised to see quiet deals get made so they can offer an additional run or two at much closer to Pro pricing than the current quiet discounts so they can creep to the 1964 units that were the target that they'll never hit without doing that.

#3712 1 year ago
Quoted from vireland:

Whatever Stern was thinking on the marketing and pricing, it didn't work. Selling Pros for Premium/LE/SLE pricing was rejected by the market. Thankfully. I would not be surprised to see quiet deals get made so they can offer an additional run or two at much closer to Pro pricing than the current quiet discounts so they can creep to the 1964 units that were the target that they'll never hit without doing that.

I don't expect to convince you, but you are wrong to think of Beatles Gold as a Pro.

It's outfitted much closer to a Premium (https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/the-beatles-kapow-stern-pinball-official-speculation-thread/page/72#post-4853021).

#3713 1 year ago
Quoted from snaroff:

I don't expect to convince you, but you are wrong to think of Beatles Gold as a Pro.
It's outfitted much closer to a Premium (https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/the-beatles-kapow-stern-pinball-official-speculation-thread/page/72#post-4853021).

It's kind of in a weird halfway place, actually. The drop targets instead of standups make it more like a Premium. The light BOM makes it more like a Pro.

#3714 1 year ago
Quoted from snaroff:

I don't expect to convince you, but you are wrong to think of Beatles Gold as a Pro.
It's outfitted much closer to a Premium (https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/the-beatles-kapow-stern-pinball-official-speculation-thread/page/72#post-4853021).

Good point. They could do a Pro version, but they would probably take out the spinner and either the jackpot target behind the drops or the magnet. Would people pay $5600 for a Beatles without the spinner and the target behind the drop targets? It’d be much more like an updated Sea Witch then.

#3715 1 year ago
Quoted from Mizzou0103:

Good point. They could do a Pro version, but they would probably take out the spinner and either the jackpot target behind the drops or the magnet. Would people pay $5600 for a Beatles without the spinner and the target behind the drop targets? It’d be much more like an updated Sea Witch then.

Spinners actually, there are two in there. Also more like a premium.

edit: but to take them out would also mean a change to the programming as they are referenced rather often (make them spin like a 45)

#3716 1 year ago

I totally misposted. I meant the spinning disc. Not the spinners.

#3717 1 year ago
Quoted from vireland:

It's kind of in a weird halfway place, actually. The drop targets instead of standups make it more like a Premium. The light BOM makes it more like a Pro.

Stern avoids drop target banks since they are costly. At most, you get one drop target bank (typically in a Premium).

With Beatles, you are getting 3 drop target banks. I imagine the 2 extra banks are roughly the cost of the 2 ramps you (and others) are "missing"...especially if they are clear plastic ramps. Also 4 full-sized flippers, which adds to the BOM.

I've argued it's closer to a Premium than a Pro, but I agree it's a "weird halfway place" (not surprising, since Stern was trying something new/retro...which I also argue is goodness One thing is for sure...Beatles Gold is a much more satisfying pinball than "Whoa Nellie" or Primus (which I find incredibly basic).

#3718 1 year ago
Quoted from ronaldvg:

Spinners actually, there are two in there. Also more like a premium.
edit: but to take them out would also mean a change to the programming as they are referenced rather often (make them spin like a 45)

Good point...and 4 full-sized flippers (which add cost).

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#3719 1 year ago
Quoted from snaroff:

I've argued it's closer to a Premium than a Pro, but I agree it's a "weird halfway place" (not surprising, since Stern was trying something new/retro...which I also argue is goodness One thing is for sure...Beatles Gold is a much more satisfying pinball than "Whoa Nellie" or Primus (which I find incredibly basic).

No argument there. That Pabst/Whoa Nellie/Primus platform is a total waste of time. The only problem with Beatles, really, is price. And it sucks that some of the people who PAID the price are having the playfield clear bunching issues around star posts, etc. It's crazy that no one can seem to get consistently good and durable clear on playfields these days. jjPotC is having the same problem.

#3720 1 year ago
Quoted from vireland:

No argument there. That Pabst/Whoa Nellie/Primus platform is a total waste of time. The only problem with Beatles, really, is price. And it sucks that some of the people who PAID the price are having the playfield clear bunching issues around star posts, etc. It's crazy that no one can seem to get consistently good and durable clear on playfields these days. jjPotC is having the same problem.

I'm betting the clear is not completely cured into a hardened state. If it is not baked in an oven (and I doubt any play could be) it takes a long time for automotive type clear to get really hard. Yes, it will dry and you can start color sanding it in a week or so and you can buff it to a shine, but to really cure to where you can put squeeze pressure on takes a long time.

#3721 1 year ago
Quoted from cottonm4:

I'm betting the clear is not completely cured into a hardened state. If it is not baked in an oven (and I doubt any play could be) it takes a long time for automotive type clear to get really hard. Yes, it will dry and you can start color sanding it in a week or so and you can buff it to a shine, but to really cure to where you can put squeeze pressure on takes a long time.

I think you are correct. Having built a couple homes over the past 5 years, I can tell you the poor build quality issues usually boil down to time. Here is an example: The floor in the photo below is simulated wood made from porcelain. The tile has simulated grain to give you the feel of wood. The guys who installed it didn't take the time to wipe the residual grout off (the texture requires more time to reach into the grooves). The hour or so they "saved" resulted in a 7-day cleanup that involved 5 guys scraping every nook and cranny with a razor blade. They tried to loosen the grout/cement with acid and it didn't work. Sigh.

Many products that are hand-made have issues in today's world, where companies are trying to do more with less. Pinball isn't unique, unfortunately.

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#3722 1 year ago
Quoted from snaroff:

I think you are correct. Having built a couple homes over the past 5 years, I can tell you the poor build quality issues usually boil down to time. Here is an example: The floor in the photo below is simulated wood made from porcelain. The tile has simulated grain to give you the feel of wood. The guys who installed it didn't take the time to wipe the residual grout off (the texture requires more time to reach into the grooves). The hour or so they "saved" resulted in a 7-day cleanup that involved 5 guys scraping every nook and cranny with a razor blade. They tried to loosen the grout/cement with acid and it didn't work. Sigh.
Many products that are hand-made have issues in today's world, where companies are trying to do more with less. Pinball isn't unique, unfortunately.[quoted image]

I sure would not be hiring those guys for my next floor.

#3723 1 year ago
Quoted from cottonm4:

I sure would not be hiring those guys for my next floor.

They were hired by the builder...I had no say/control. Important to note that the sub-contractor stood behind the installation and did the entire cleanup. Other than the 1 week inconvenience, it all turned out fine. Floor looks great now.

Big builders put tremendous pressure on their subs...it's the way of the world now. Ditto for pinball manufacturing...all about how many they can crank out per week. Companies deal with the collateral damage on a case-by-case basis.

#3724 1 year ago

I Think i have alot of airballs, its when shooting the targets behind the disc.
Any one know of kit to prevent it?

#3725 1 year ago
Quoted from SMI3:

I Think i have alot of airballs, its when shooting the targets behind the disc.
Any one know of kit to prevent it?

Stern developed an airball kit. Unfortunately, you need to ask for it...contact Stern support.

#3726 1 year ago

Yep... call your distro or Stern. Nice kit, for some reason they sent me 2.

In the meantime reducing flipper power will help.

I haven’t had any rippling on mine or noticed any defects in clear and got mine pretty early first week of December.

This is the first I’m even hearing about clearcoat issues other than dimples from airballs.

#3727 1 year ago
Quoted from Psw757:

Yep... call your distro or Stern. Nice kit, for some reason they sent me 2.
In the meantime reducing flipper power will help.
I haven’t had any rippling on mine or noticed any defects in clear and got mine pretty early first week of December.
This is the first I’m even hearing about clearcoat issues other than dimples from airballs.

Look around the star posts for a bunching effect. We had the same issue on our Pro Iron Maiden for the route, but it wasn't as bad as what I'm seeing on jjPotC or the few Beatles I've seen at the moment. Our recent Deadpool Premium seems fine, though. Playfield clear, man. Hard clear that performs is a lost (or illegal with the old stuff) art.

#3728 1 year ago
Quoted from vireland:

Look around the star posts for a bunching effect. We had the same issue on our Pro Iron Maiden for the route, but it wasn't as bad as what I'm seeing on jjPotC or the few Beatles I've seen at the moment. Our recent Deadpool Premium seems fine, though. Playfield clear, man. Hard clear that performs is a lost (or illegal with the old stuff) art.

I looked super closely, don’t have it happening.

I know what it looks like because I have it on my JJP potc.

#3729 1 year ago
Quoted from Psw757:

I looked super closely, don’t have it happening.
I know what it looks like because I have it on my JJP potc.

Yep, looks almost exactly the same except maybe a bit less severe than jjPotC.

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#3730 1 year ago

SDTM Episode 95: Beatles Pinball Machine Review

#3731 1 year ago
Quoted from ZMeny:

SDTM Episode 95: Beatles Pinball Machine Review

A bit long, but I agree with the bottom line expressed in the review. Beatles plays way better than any solid state game out there, and it's heaps of fun. Sure it's expensive. But it looks great and is a pleasure to play.

#3732 1 year ago

Another great review from the SDTM team. Beatles is a fantastic game. People really need to give it a chance. Great work Zach and Greg for your commitment to this industry.

Thank you
Amusement Services of America

#3733 1 year ago

Anyone have any idea how many more Stern built recently? Looks like they did make somewhat of a second run.

Seems many dealers now have all models in stock again.

#3734 1 year ago
Quoted from ASOA:

Another great review from the SDTM team. Beatles is a fantastic game.

I love those guys, but a "review" from a distributor is an advertisement.

That said, great game. (This message brought to you by just some dude.)

#3735 1 year ago
Quoted from Psw757:

Anyone have any idea how many more Stern built recently? Looks like they did make somewhat of a second run.
Seems many dealers now have all models in stock again.

Did they do a second run already? I'm not sure that's correct. Why do you think they have made more? It could be that dealers who sold out bought some off dealers who didn't sell out. The Australian dealer sold out a few moths ago and is taking orders for the next production run, but there is no time frame indicated, which possibly means Stern will do the second production run once they have enough orders in place.

Anyone got any information of the second production run's likely timing?

#3736 1 year ago
Quoted from Aussiepinwiz:

Australian dealer sold out a few moths ago and is taking orders for the next production run

Likely a different case since they have wait for enough orders of BKSOR, Beatles, and Munsters combined to fill a container. I'm no mathlete but NIB is 31"x31" and a container is 40'x8' = 45pins

#3737 1 year ago
Quoted from Neal_W:

Likely a different case since they have wait for enough orders of BKSOR, Beatles, and Munsters combined to fill a container. I'm no mathlete but NIB is 31"x31" and a container is 40'x8' = 45pins

Your container calculations are pretty much close to the mark, however the Australian distributor is actually one of Stern's largest single purchaser of pinball machines. They sold their MunstersLE allocation within a few hours, and purchased their Beatles, independently of any orders after release. Demand for pinball machines in Australia has been very high for 4-5 years now, especially the last 2 years. The distributor has no problem filling containers. And that's despite the fact that the Aussie dollar is very low against the Greenback (making these toys unbelievably expensive for the poor battling Aussie enthusiast). The Aussie distributor sold their substantial allocation of Beatles fairly quickly, and is now taking orders for more, irrespective of space they have left in the next container.
By the way, they use two sizes of containers to ship to Sydney (depending on the number of machines on order).

#3738 1 year ago

33 games in a 20ft

72 in a 40ft high cube

#3739 1 year ago
Quoted from Aussiepinwiz:

Did they do a second run already? I'm not sure that's correct. Why do you think they have made more? It could be that dealers who sold out bought some off dealers who didn't sell out. The Australian dealer sold out a few moths ago and is taking orders for the next production run, but there is no time frame indicated, which possibly means Stern will do the second production run once they have enough orders in place.
Anyone got any information of the second production run's likely timing?

I’m not sure but somehow several dealers all of a sudden have nib diamond and platinum, they didn’t a few months ago.

#3740 1 year ago
Quoted from Ballypinball:

33 games in a 20ft
72 in a 40ft high cube

How? Wouldn’t it be 66 (33*2) in a 40 ft?

#3741 1 year ago

72 is how many unboxed pins can be stuffed in a container standing on end with a row laying on top. The guys that used to reimport them from Europe would talk about containers with 72 pins.

#3742 1 year ago

Has anyone got any intel about a second Beatles production run?

Anyone?

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#3743 1 year ago
Quoted from Aussiepinwiz:

Has anyone got any intel about a second Beatles production run?
Anyone?

based on sales and now known playfield defect issues, I am doubtful there is a second run.

I could see them running just the remaining platinum edition to toss a bone (big profit) to distributors.

#3744 1 year ago
Quoted from Aussiepinwiz:

Has anyone got any intel about a second Beatles production run?
Anyone?

Nothing official but there have been NIB Diamond and Platinums showing up at distros that were previously out of them. I’ve seen some golds at distros who didn’t have any several months ago either.

Not sure what to make of it? I thought someone posted a pic from a tour about a month ago in another thread and sworn I saw Beatles cabinets, assumed they were ramping up for another run.

#3745 1 year ago
Quoted from cottonm4:

How? Wouldn’t it be 66 (33*2) in a 40 ft?

A 40 foot cube container has an extra foot in height dimensions over a standard 20' and 40' allowing additional machines to be squeezed in along the top row sitting flat taking the total capacity to 72 machines.

It's more accurate to calculate capacity using internal cubic volume with metres as the baseline rather than the overall outer length in feet.

#3746 1 year ago
Quoted from pinsanity:

A 40 foot cube container has an extra foot in height dimensions over a standard 20' and 40' allowing additional machines to be squeezed in along the top row sitting flat taking the total capacity to 72 machines.

How does that work with shooter knobs? Crush 'em all and let god sort 'em out?

#3747 1 year ago
Quoted from yancy:

How does that work with shooter knobs? Crush 'em all and let god sort 'em out?

With a cube container and the increase in height you have extra space to utilise between the machine layers to add dunnage and minimise any possibility of damage.

#3748 1 year ago
Quoted from Whysnow:

known playfield defect issues

Which are those?

#3749 1 year ago
Quoted from Whysnow:

based on sales and now known playfield defect issues, I am doubtful there is a second run.
I could see them running just the remaining platinum edition to toss a bone (big profit) to distributors.

Some distributors have sold out and are taking orders for more. Stern's website lists the game as "In Production" and is one of the five games featured. Stern is very successful at making money. There will be a point at which the number of orders equates to more profits. The question is when will they pull the trigger to do the second run?

#3750 1 year ago
Quoted from Aussiepinwiz:

The question is when will they pull the trigger to do the second run?

I think the reality is... they never finished the first run.
images are from 80 days ago, 40 days ago, and today.
67 home games and 57 location games. That is not too many, even if pinside only accounts for 30% of the real number... Things are clear on the sales of this title. They are miserably bad.

How many Golds do you think exist at this stage?
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