Quoted from Whysnow:

I love all the guys that have never even had a single game on route telling us what works and what does not, how we should measure success or not, when to sell and when to buy...
I seriously encourage all of you to take your passion and bright ideas out to the streets. Go buy a Beatles and put it on location. Report back as you go.
It is a ton of fun to put games out on route and try to help build a local community of more pinheads! Worst case scenario you learn a few things and have some fun.

Quoted from Psw757:

I think we’ve now had at least 3 operators chime in between the 3 Beatles threads that are active and there is one common message, it’s out performing expectations and out earning some more modern games.
I think between these 3 operators they bought 10+ Beatles machines of various flavors so if there is a accurate body of work to gauge earnings off of, this is pretty good.
Unique machines that not everyone has do have the ability to draw people in that normally wouldn’t otherwise come out to play on location. I would think this data would be hard to quantify.
The Helicon Brewing operator talked about this over on the JJP Pirates thread a while back. There were many new people coming in just to seek that one game out.
Interesting stuff

Quoted from TheFamilyArcade:

Grea point that many on here are just flat out missing. The eye candy factor. The bait. I mean, do people really go to Hooters for the food? A Beatles pinball machine will draw people over, and some of those people will drop a coin. And some of those people will drop a coin in another machine too. Games like Judge Dread or Lethal Wrapon aren’t getting the casual fans attention. Beatles is.

Quoted from Whysnow:

I love all the guys that have never even had a single game on route telling us what works and what does not, how we should measure success or not, when to sell and when to buy...

Quoted from cottonm4:

Well shit, man, everybody here has been telling Stern how to run its business. What makes you think you would be immune

Quoted from Whysnow:

very true.
I just want more pinball, so I think everyone shoudl buy a beatles and route it
Esp someone close to me so I can come play it!

Quoted from TheFamilyArcade:

So buy one and route it! Or at least play it, that way we can take your opinions on the game more seriously.

Quoted from LOTR_breath:

Played about 20 games on location. The overall package looks damn impressive in person. But I'm really not digging the spinning disk in the center. Spins the ball down the middle and down the outlanes way too much. Having the game ship without rubbers on the outlane dividers only makes this worse. At least we won't have to worry about long game times during our launch party this Friday. Feels like ball times a super short to me.

Quoted from snaroff:

On this pin, Pinstadium's are transformative. It dramatically reduces the glare as well.
Click on the following link if you'd like to see the difference:
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/new-pin-stadium-lights-official-announcement/page/72#post-4731937
snaroff

Quoted from Psw757:

Was that picture in a dark room or something or you have bulbs out?
Mine is no where near that dark and definitely doesn’t need supplemental lighting.

Quoted from snaroff:

On this pin, Pinstadium's are transformative. It dramatically reduces the glare as well.
Click on the following link if you'd like to see the difference:
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/new-pin-stadium-lights-official-announcement/page/72#post-4731937
snaroff

Quoted from Psw757:

Was that picture in a dark room or something or you have bulbs out?
Mine is no where near that dark and definitely doesn’t need supplemental lighting.

Quoted from cottonm4:

I don't why you all are down voting the guy. I saw Pin Stadium lighting in action at TPF last year. The vision on a pin was transformative. I forget which pin it was. Any and all dark spots are gone. Glare from the back glass onto the play field glass is no longer a blinding problem.

Quoted from cottonm4:

I don't why you all are down voting the guy. I saw Pin Stadium lighting in action at TPF last year. The vision on a pin was transformative. I forget which pin it was. Any and all dark spots are gone. Glare from the back glass onto the play field glass is no longer a blinding problem.
I also think that trying to take and post pics of a pin with LEDs is a challenge. LEDs just don't photograph well, at all, IMO. LEDs in the GI lights seem to make the play field look darker than it is. Try taking some pics of yours and look at it from that viewpoint. Maybe yours will not appear darker and maybe you are happy with it as is.
2 things I will say. If you installed Pin Stadium lighting on your Beatles, you probably would not be disappointed with the result. And don't knock it until you try it.

Quoted from flynnibus:

The decision should not be based on if the game has reached profitability - but simply based on it's earning potential. If the earnings are down, why wait for the residual value to keep decreasing? The residual on a newer title is going to decrease faster than the game's ability to earn if it's not pulling its weight.
If a game drops $1000 in value while you wait for it to go into the black, and is just dragging along at <$100 month... that's a long time and lots of service to make up for that drop in residual value. Clearing $1000 more in residual value NOW vs 10+months of low earnings with your capital investment locked up and further delaying your ability to roll that capital into a game that would do better. So you sell the game to maximize the residual value vs waiting for earnings to beat the rate of depreciation.. and roll that capital into a game with better earning potential.
The analysis has to include opportunity cost... what this game is earning vs another title. Obviously if a game is performing, or another option won't OUT perform it... selling early will just exaggerate overhead costs and you'll lose by taking on depreciation on the second title as well.
Obviously people want their income+residual value sale to exceed their initial costs... the question is simply how much do you expect each piece to contribute to ensure that happens..
The reason everyone loves older games is they've already bottomed out their depreciation, and if they perform on par... it's far more profitable to just keep riding that old horse. Maybe not the best for revenue, but per unit the net will favor being in the black.
Selling early is just about earnings/month vs depreciation/month... and some operators find the earnings delta of a new piece big enough to favor cycling titles faster.

Quoted from chuckwurt:

Don’t worry. I believe you. Haha.
Just giving my experiences. No two games play alike.

Quoted from Psw757:

I think we’ve now had at least 3 operators chime in between the 3 Beatles threads that are active and there is one common message, it’s out performing expectations and out earning some more modern games.
I think between these 3 operators they bought 10+ Beatles machines of various flavors so if there is a accurate body of work to gauge earnings off of, this is pretty good.
Unique machines that not everyone has do have the ability to draw people in that normally wouldn’t otherwise come out to play on location. I would think this data would be hard to quantify.
The Helicon Brewing operator talked about this over on the JJP Pirates thread a while back. There were many new people coming in just to seek that one game out.
Interesting stuff

Quoted from cjmjmm2006:

Yes its true. With Beatles I was able to give my distributor 2 purchases and 2 other potential buyers. It is very popular, not prediction is it will not be close between TNA. Beatles will likely total out higher in half the time.
For the record, nothing against TNA. Great table, just is not earning nearly as well as Beatles.

Quoted from iceman44:

Congrats CJ, as a HUO owner i don't care how it earns on route except i hope all you guys kick ass on any pins you buy.
It's a no brainer, Beatles should always crush TNA on location. Like you said, nothing against TNA but Beatles theme is an iconic all time best.

Quoted from cjmjmm2006:

Yes its true. With Beatles I was able to give my distributor 2 purchases and 2 other potential buyers. It is very popular, not prediction is it will not be close between TNA. Beatles will likely total out higher in half the time.
For the record, nothing against TNA. Great table, just is not earning nearly as well as Beatles.

Quoted from snaroff:

Pinstadium is a better solution. If I could, I'd trade every sheet of non-glare glass for Pinstadium's since they do a better job removing glare.

Quoted from iceman44:

Just off loaded my new Beatle's pinball machine! Won't be able to set it up until the weekend but I can't wait.
Fantastic Distro ASOA/Jonathan really has taken care of me.

Quoted from iceman44:

Congrats CJ, as a HUO owner i don't care how it earns on route except i hope all you guys kick ass on any pins you buy.
It's a no brainer, Beatles should always crush TNA on location. Like you said, nothing against TNA but Beatles theme is an iconic all time best.

Quoted from snaroff:

Thanks for the support! The downvotes are absurd/childish.
I purchased my first Pinstadium's 1-2 months ago...the photos speak for themselves. For years, I've been doing my own custom spotlight additions. Pinstadium is a better solution. If I could, I'd trade every sheet of non-glare glass for Pinstadium's since they do a better job removing glare.
IMDN and Beatles are poorly lit...especially if you enjoy playing in a dark room. Photos speak for themselves, and to be honest, the difference is more stunning in person. My wife, a non-pinballer was shocked by the difference to our Beatles.
snaroff

Quoted from Shapeshifter:

Not true in all games though.
The zebra stripes on Iron Maiden and other games are awful.
But, each to their own.

Quoted from robotron:

played beatles today at rock fantasy. right behind it is seawitch. amazing how they are almost the exact same game except for a few features. i put in 2 bucks for 3 credits, got a free game in between. had some fun but not 7500 worth of fun. thats the problem, i can do alot of great things with 7500. btw i hated the spinning record, it just screwed up my game i guess it was put there to shorten ball times. get the seawitch for 2500 and even blow the other 5k on cocaine and i would say job well done.

Quoted from Whysnow:

A downvote is a simple and effective way to say you disagree with someone's post (opinion or not)
If you have not realized, quite a few of us think Pinstadiums are blindingly bright, cause zebra stripes, and are severely over priced for what goes into them (in short, detract from any game and are junk). Many are sick of them being shoved down the hobbies throat from their marketing tactics (first through paid reviews, then paid sponsorship of IFPA, paid advertising slots on podcasts, and the constant barrage on Pinside from a select few that add them to every game).
Feel free to give a down vote instead of posting. It is a simple and effective way of disagreeing with a post.
Back on topic, can any Beatles owners talk more about game play, code, what would you like to see in future updates, etc?
So far what I am getting is that there are lots of airballs, pf are dimpling, spinning disc not much fun/used too much, song clips are super short, etc...
Would rather hear what modes are the most fun/challenging and why?
What modes are the most lucrative for scoring?
Best shot/worst shot?
What you want added in code (if code updates come?)?
Any adjustments you have made?
Are modes stackable? stackable with multiball? etc...

Quoted from RebelGuitars:

No airballs here.
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Quoted from Psw757:

The game isn’t dimpling any more then my JJP Potc and since I cut a piece of lexan for over the middle bank of drops, zero airballs.
Got notified last night that stern has made a kit to address this and are shipping ASAP.
Song clips really aren’t that short, I don’t even think I’ve heard one loop yet becasue most modes are 30 seconds long or shot completion I think. You can lengthen song modes and number of required shots to make more difficult.
Loops and spinners are a ton of fun as are all the drops.
I’m hoping for two things in future code, first being some sort of super wizard mode if all modes are played and completed and what we have now is just play them all and you get hard day’s night multi ball. Kind of silly for game to start from beginning after. Add the super wizard and if achieved, game over when time up.
Second thing I would like to see is one more song added for main gameplay with taxman and can’t buy me love. Song mix is pretty damn good as is but one more in the main gameplay would greatly reduce the chance of hearing these twice in one game.
They did a nice job on this one, speakers sound great too!

Quoted from Whysnow:

great looking modification! nicely done!

thanks and great owners perspective. I really hope they add a real wizard mode for the game. You guys that plopped down the cash deserve to have something to really shoot for.

Quoted from Whysnow:

A downvote is a simple and effective way to say you disagree with someone's post (opinion or not)
If you have not realized, quite a few of us think Pinstadiums are blindingly bright, cause zebra stripes, and are severely over priced for what goes into them (in short, detract from any game and are junk). Many are sick of them being shoved down the hobbies throat from their marketing tactics (first through paid reviews, then paid sponsorship of IFPA, paid advertising slots on podcasts, and the constant barrage on Pinside from a select few that add them to every game).
Feel free to give a down vote instead of posting. It is a simple and effective way of disagreeing with a post.
Back on topic, can any Beatles owners talk more about game play, code, what would you like to see in future updates, etc?
So far what I am getting is that there are lots of airballs, pf are dimpling, spinning disc not much fun/used too much, song clips are super short, etc...
Would rather hear what modes are the most fun/challenging and why?
What modes are the most lucrative for scoring?
Best shot/worst shot?
What you want added in code (if code updates come?)?
Any adjustments you have made?
Are modes stackable? stackable with multiball? etc...

Quoted from CrazyLevi:

Hey I finally played some Beatles last night!
Cool layout, lots to shoot at, an difficult. 4 player games were running super fast but It looked like rubbers were off the outlanes posts (Bless your heart sunshine laundromat), not sure if that's factory.
I don't get involved in discussions of "value" or which exact price point i would consider it a "fair value" as those discussions are stupid and like most of you I'm not buying one anyway. It's fun. What do ya want. It's a pinball machine. Buy one or don't, play one or don't, whine about it or don't.
When's the next game coming out?

Quoted from CrazyLevi:

Hey I finally played some Beatles last night!
Cool layout, lots to shoot at, and difficult. 4 player games were running super fast but It looked like rubbers were off the outlanes posts (Bless your heart sunshine laundromat), not sure if that's factory. Doesn't seem to be much to the rules, it's all pretty straightforward. Would like to see a possible earned multiball in the game beyond the 2-ball mode and the wizard mode I didn't get.
I don't get involved in discussions of "value" or which exact price point i would consider it a "fair value" as those discussions are stupid and like most of you I'm not buying one anyway. It's fun. What do ya want. It's a pinball machine. Buy one or don't, play one or don't, whine about it or don't.
When's the next game coming out?

Quoted from CrazyLevi:

It's fun. What do ya want.

Quoted from TheLaw:

I want to know how it felt vs classic sterns with thinner flippers and more ability to trap the ball and what seems to be a bigger area betwixt the flippers and slings.
Thanks.

Quoted from CrazyLevi:

It didn't feel anything like a classic Stern. Probably cause it's a game made 40 years later by a different company! It certainly felt like a Stern game built in 2018. Snappy, solid "build quality" and a fully-realized "world under glass." I had no trouble trapping the ball. But game times seemed very short in my groups.
Also I have determined that this game is really fun but it's actually value is placed at $4212.16 and NOT A PENNY MORE! I mean I'd buy it in a second for $3706. But at $8000? NO WAY MAN!!!!

Quoted from CrazyLevi:

When's the next game coming out?

Quoted from MapleSyrup:

I think I’ve only finished all the modes twice, so the depth is balanced somewhat by the brutalities of the layout! .

Quoted from CrazyLevi:

Seems like the trick to do that is to get as many EBs as you can by going for the drops during the modes.