Yeah I get it, the Distro pumpers are out in full force! Platinum or Diamond, go big or go home.

Pump it up!

You know it must be bad when distributors are calling YOU to inquire about your "platinum" or "diamond" purchase!

#nothanks

The vote count seems overwhelming. No?

When distributors are calling you to pump the "Platinum" and "Diamond" editions you know it must be really LOW demand.

Ahhh, I said 'my interest', as in my specific interest to purchase and also surmised a few other members in both this and Octoberfest. Definitely not speaking for how much discussion they spark either positive or negative . Mind you both the poll and this other thread are hardly inspiring https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/how-bad-are-beatles-sales-so-far

I know that I'm late to the party, but this link is some funny s*@t. I've seen various Hitler videos before, but never seen this one. Congrats to whoever set this one up, you did a great job!

Yup. Everyone was so anti-TRON it was a joke. Now its considered a premium game. Like I said. This game will have more shots then any WPC 90's game and will probably end up being a really good game. Seawitch with improved rules is no joke.

So we can put you down for a Diamond or Platinum?

OMG!!!! I am in tears. This is so hilarious. Awesome...

Double Diamond ...with Platinum legs

Ahh...this thing is dead in the water. It will never sell.

A cheap POS that costs way too much money.

It looks like a cheap toy.







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And we know how that story turned out.

I don't always walk in the shop asking for prices, but when I don't want to be involved in buying.

I've been listening to a lot of Beatles the past couple of days. There's a great catalog of songs that would be perfect for a pinball machine. Many of these songs stand the test of time and can be enjoyed by people of all ages. Stern could have easily made a modern Beatles pin with songs from the band's later selections that would have appealed to a wide audience.

Instead, Stern focussed on early Beatles with a basic layout. I don't buy for one second that Stern did this because they knew Beatles would only sell to those who saw their last concert or are just huge fans. No, this was intentional as a way to keep development costs low and bring in record profits.

There are some people who think of The Beatles as old and something only their parents or grandparents listened to. That isn't true of course but Stern and Ka-Pow isn't helping breaking that mindset with a game that well...looks old.

Only huge fans are going to buy a $25,000 pinball machine

Only Huge fans are going to buy a $15,000 pinball machine

Only huge fans are going to buy an $8,000 pinball machine

Only Huge fans are going to buy a $199 CD box set

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They call it MAP - market adjusted price

Still done frequently on high demand, difficult to obtain models

No

Think of it like a partnership. It’s not simply a contract game like MMr was. They collaborate on the concept and project... but it’s still a stern project. Kia pow brings certain elements to the project, like the licensing, and stern brings the game muscle.

Incorrect.

MAP stands for minimum advertised price.

How can someone vote this down?

"Me hatez this facts! Let's downvote!" ?

LMAO

People do not like facts anymore.

These are alternative facts

Who gets design credit for this game? The original Seawitch designer?

They still make CDs?

Don't shoot the messenger... XD

They obviously have to for Beatles fans, because they are old.

https://www.walmart.com/ip/Stereo-Box-Set-Remaster-Limited-Edition-Digi-Pak/11996870

I own that set since 2009 and I'm 39 years.

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Hate to be the bearer of bad news but @39, you are old.

Kids would have just downloaded those discs as lossless FLACs, in way less time than it took you to drive to Saturn.

You can always tell old minded people because they want to "show off" their CDs and DVDs on a shelf, whereas hipsters rip all their media to their PLEX servers, and then dispose or sell off the physical media.

They display the cover art and booklets on big touch screen monitors.

It's nice.

Yep but the CDs sound better in the car.

Not compared to FLAC

The source is the CD. You can't do better than the source. Plus you need a flac player to plug into your usb, whereas I just use my nice car CD player.
Certainly both good options.

Actually, FLACs sound better than CDs, because the processor in a CD player is "guessing" at the bits that are obscured by scratches, fingerprints and dust.

FLACs get a checksum at the end of the rip to make sure that every bit is intact, no guesswork.

If you have a Ford car made in the last decade, it can read FLACs, MP3s, or even an old iPod plugged straight into the USB port. It's not in the owners manual, but for some reason it works.

From what do you imagine people encode FLACs from?

Finally this thread is getting interesting!

So like, as I get older, does it really matter what I'm listening to? I can't imagine my ears can tell the difference between FLAC and a 320kb rip of a CD.

Generally, music sounds shittier than ever but I don't even notice. It's also more convinient than ever which I do notice.

I remember when we got a CD player in 1989 or so, and I was all "Mom, doesn't this sound amazing?!"

She said "all I care about is that I don't have to flip the record over anymore."

I don't think you understand how CD-ROM drives are different than CD Players:

A CD Player is based on the best computer processing we had in 1978.

A CD PLAYER has to just guess at the missing bits based on the surrounding bits. It can't just pause the music while it tries a bit-accurate retrieval. So any fingerprints or dust cause the CD Player to read back inaccurately.

A CD-ROM drive can slow itself down to .1X below realtime (so like 20 RPM).

A CD-ROM drive can slow down and to retrieve the actual bits, that could never be done in realtime.

If a CD-ROM cannot retrieve the bits to match the checksum, the program flags those FLAC files as failed.

You then can polish out the scratches with NOVUS#2 and try those tracks again, or just download the perfect tracks from usenet.

IN Summary:

Your CD player is not playing the correct bits if there are dust or fingerprints on the disc.

FLACs don't get dust or scratches on them, and have a built in checksum to insure they are uncorrupted. Thus they only play back bit-accurate music.

No love for vinyl records?
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As your CDs get older, they are collecting more micro-scratches, so they probably do sound worse (let alone any bitrot in the aluminum vapor coating).

On headphones you can certainly hear the difference between MP3 and FLAC.

In your 2000 era noisy truck, maybe not so much.

FLACs are also available in much higher bitrates than CDs.

So while CDs only have 44 khz bitrate, FLACs are availble in over 320 khz.

Those hi-rez files are NOT ripped from CD, and must be recorded on better equipment than the 1978 computer processors could have done.

None of that shit matters. Once you get tinnitus from listening to all the crap we have over the years and seen umpteen concerts without protection, you can't hear shit anymore anyway except the constant ringing that never goes away. Can't count how many people I know over 50 that have it.

What?

In context of the whole discussion of Beatles fans beeing gramps and average pinsiders are too young to care I'm a fledgling.

correction - it ALSO stands for...

market adjustment - market adjusted - are both terms used by car dealers AS WELL.

Love me some vinyl but it costs about twice as much as the CD set LOL!!!!

Dang I must be old according to reading this Flac stuff

I still play Basf or Tdk in my car
Sounds crispy , just the way I like it

Yeah, I like me some Beatles, but not a game I would be interested in. Especially at that price point. I’ll be happy to throw a couple games on one out in the wild or at a fellow pinhead’s house. The color scheme is reminiscent of Austin Powers, not real attractive at least in my eyes.

And BTW - MAP is also an acronym for “Money and Pocket”...aka the ol cash grab.

Some have to find it hilarious that they go from Iron Maiden (heavy metal - 666 extravaganza), to Deadpool (most profane, foul-mouthed superhero) to The Beatles and “In My Life.” I’ll give Stern credit though...they certainly want everybody’s money...um, I mean want to market to everybody.

I’m sure the game will be sparkly and shoot fairly well (Seawitch is fun as hell). But in my mind a Beatles pin playing Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds sitting next to my MET blaring out Blackened with the sub woofer stomping some kick ass double bass just doesn’t seem like a good pairing.

Ironically, I was just at the Hard Rock in NYC a few weeks ago and happened to take a picture of this.

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Since this game has no ramps, am I the only one wondering why they didn't put it in a similar cabinet as Pabst Can Crusher? That would have made sense to me as it reflects on how pinball machines used to look back then. It would also allow for a big backglass and still have an LCD in it. Putting in stepper motor score reels could also be an option.

You’re not the only one- thought exactly the same. Would have been way cooler.

Guess it probably cost more though...so yeh, Stern and all.

Good point.

I know a lot of people say *bla* TNA costs $6K so well what do you expect The Beatles are a proper license (on par with anything including SW) so it's logical that Beatles would cost a bit more. But IMO TNA is more than meets the eye. But of course we have not seen/played The Beatles (I'm sure it's fun) but it's costing as much as LE pins used to go for (STLE) and it's more clearly a pro pin maybe a semi-pro. But anyway it's going to sell or not sell it's not my concern. I only feel let down because The Beatles pin if done the same manner as Maiden, Ac/Dc or Metallica with (IMO) rock songs like Helter Skelter/Revolution and psycedelicic songs like LSD or I am the walrus could have been EPIC.

It's almost as if Stern said well the license is costing double so we should make the design and art as cheaply as possible to make up for that.

To say that The Beatles are huge is an understatement. I was looking at Sgt. Peppers Wiki page and it's about the longest wiki page I've ever seen and that's just one album.

Curious if anyone will admit ordering one of the 50 USA diamond edition at $50,000

Anyone ?

Anyone notice the teaser video's gone already?

UMG flagged/blocked it on Stern's YouTube channel (at least here in the US)...

It’s still on the Beatles store website.

If rumors are true that distributors get 10 packs (7 golds, 2 platinum, and 1 diamond) for 70k, then I would be down for a gamble if 9 others are...

I propose a purchase price of $7100 each person. The Distributor gets to make a grand and does nothing but instruct the drop shipment of games.
For that $7100 each person gets a number from 1-10. We do a random number generator and the first number picked gets the diamond, the next 2 get the platinum, and the rest get gold.

Worst case you pay $7100 plus your actual shipping (or free pickup if you live in chicagoland area) and get a gold. Get lucky and you get the diamond or platinum.

Any distributors want to make an easy grand?

I bet I can find 9 other gambling people to buy that 10 pack

I liked my idea better
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/how-bad-are-beatles-sales-so-far/page/3#post-4664321