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The age old question... which wax do I choose?


By Rayy

7 months ago



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    “The age old question... which wax do I choose?”

    • Carnu-B Wax 5 votes
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    • Blitz Wax 40 votes
      75%
    • P21-S Silver top Wax 6 votes
      11%
    • S100 Carnauba Wax 2 votes
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    #1 7 months ago

    So, I've been doing a lot of reading on here lately, and went through vid's restoration guides and was introduced to blitz wax (I have not used it or any other paste wax in the past). My machines unfortunately have seen a wide variety of cleaners and waxes over the years. But I'm going to be putting in a cpr playfield into my xenon at some point soon and I would also like to attempt a good restoration of my pinbot. So I want to make sure I'm using the right stuff now. I've narrowed it down to 4 waxes to use (plan on using naptha to clean the old wax off the playfields). I would like to hear what everyone's opinion is on these 4 waxes and which one I should go with.

    1st. Carnu-b Carnauba wax. This is the wax I've been using for the last couple years, I haven't found an ingredients list on it, but it has always seemed to do a really good job. My biggest concern is I don't know if it contains silicone. Maybe someone else has had some experience with this stuff in the past? Here's a link to the wax. https://carnu-b.com/wax/8-carnu-b-car-wax.html 25 bucks for a 16 oz bottle.

    2nd. Blitz Wax. From what I've read this is one of the favorites on here. Vid highly recommends it in his guides, it is somewhat spendy but not the most expensive option... 32 bucks for 12 oz jar.

    3rd. P21-S Silver top. No Beeswax, supposedly lasts longer than the blue top. So I think I've eliminated the blue top from my list... Unless someone puts forth a good argument for it. 44 bucks for a 6.2 oz jar... that's a lot hah.

    4th. S100 Carnauba Paste Wax. I Haven't heard much about this one... I've heard maybe its better than the blue top p21s, I've also heard other opinions on it... Price is 16 bucks for 6.2 oz...

    Those are my options. Please don't bother suggesting other waxes, I've narrowed it down to these 4, so would love to hear my fellow pinsiders chime in and let me know which wax they would be buying if they were me.

    #2 7 months ago
    Quoted from Rayy:

    2nd. Blitz Wax. From what I've read this is one of the favorites on here. Vid highly recommends it in his guides, it is somewhat spendy but not the most expensive option... 32 bucks for 12 oz jar.

    https://www.pinballlife.com/blitz-carnauba-paste-wax-12-ounce-jar.html

    I switched recently from Meguires Yellow Gold carnauba wax, and won't look back. Blitz works great for me.

    LTG : )

    #3 7 months ago
    Quoted from LTG:

    https://www.pinballlife.com/blitz-carnauba-paste-wax-12-ounce-jar.html
    I switched recently from Meguires Yellow Gold carnauba wax, and won't look back. Blitz works great for me.
    LTG : )

    I second this blitz is the best

    #4 7 months ago
    Quoted from LTG:

    https://www.pinballlife.com/blitz-carnauba-paste-wax-12-ounce-jar.html
    I switched recently from Meguires Yellow Gold carnauba wax, and won't look back. Blitz works great for me.
    LTG : )

    Ditto for me. Blitz is the best.

    #5 7 months ago

    Blitz One Grande`

    #7 7 months ago

    Blitz 1K

    #9 7 months ago

    Why Blitz? I'm just curious to hear from those who trust it. I have only tried the Mequiar's Gold Carnuba so far. Works for me and doesn't smell like chemicals, ammonia or anything toxic. Does Blitz work better? Does it have an odor?

    Thanks for the info.

    #10 7 months ago
    Quoted from Pinkitten:

    Why Blitz? I'm just curious to hear from those who trust it.

    My experience so far it's very similar to use, but leaves a higher gloss finish when polished. Results look way better. Seems to last longer and not get dirty as fast, in commercial use. And I've found I can wipe it down with a new clean cloth, apply another coat of wax, and good to go. Meguire's I'd have to clean and then add more wax.

    LTG : )

    #11 7 months ago

    Where can you find blitz wax?

    #12 7 months ago
    Quoted from t2:

    Where can you find blitz wax?

    Pinballlife.com has it and applicator.

    You could check other parts suppliers too.

    LTG : )

    #14 7 months ago

    Awesome, I’m going to try it. Thanks for the info and link!

    #15 7 months ago
    Quoted from Pinkitten:

    Why Blitz? I'm just curious to hear from those who trust it.

    It lasts the longest of any wax I've used commercially.

    It is nonflammable.

    It is not full of stinky perfume trying to make it smell like bananas, cherries, or gasoline.

    It's not full of dye making it bright yellow, turtle green, baby blue - it's just white.

    It does not make dust after application.

    The lid is really hard to open, so there is no way in hell your kids or wife can get into it.

    One jar will last a person with a dozen games a decade.

    #16 7 months ago
    Quoted from Rayy:

    S...My biggest concern is I don't know if it contains silicone. Maybe someone else has had some experience with this stuff in the past?...

    I actually contacted some wax manufacturers (not big box store brands) about their carnauba waxes, and if their product contained silicone. Apparently, if it was truly carnauba and nothing else, it would be like a brick. Very hard and for all practical purposes, impossible to apply. So it is not uncommon that even w/carnauba, there will be additives (silicone) to make it pliable. While I learned something, I ended up being more frustrated in the end on what to use.

    From wiki: "Although too brittle to be used by itself, carnauba wax is often combined with other waxes (principally beeswax) to treat and waterproof many leather products where it provides a high-gloss finish and increases leather's hardness and durability." Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnauba_wax

    And from Meguiar's: "Carnauba wax is harder then concrete in natural forum must be softened with solvents." Link: https://meguiarsonline.com/forums/showthread.php?25310-The-MYTHS-of-Carnauba-wax

    #17 7 months ago

    I know slightly sideways on the topic, but- for HUO collection- is there a good standard of waxing frequency for light play vs med monthly playing vs heavy?

    #18 7 months ago

    Are there any european dealers of the Blitz wax, or equivalent wax suitable for my playfield?

    I'm really not a fan of paying import taxes.

    Thanks

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    #19 7 months ago
    Quoted from jkleinnd:

    I know slightly sideways on the topic, but- for HUO collection- is there a good standard of waxing frequency for light play vs med monthly playing vs heavy?

    I only wax my pre dmd games. Games with a factory clearcoat dont need it in a home environment.

    #20 7 months ago
    Quoted from jkleinnd:

    is there a good standard of waxing frequency for light play vs med monthly playing vs heavy?

    Wax it. See how fast it plays. When it slows to less than you like, add another coat of wax.

    LTG : )

    #21 7 months ago

    That makes sense. I just wish I could reliably judge that. I don't play games in my collection as consistently as I'd like.
    Will wax (Blitz, for example) break down over time, regardless of play infrequency?

    #22 7 months ago

    I prefer to use wax to clean my playfields. It does help speed and shine, and it may help protect it over the years. I just prefer the mildness of wax to any cleaning product. I have a 10 pin collection and I wax them every 6 months or so. I just like doing it. But I’m going to try Blitz. Carnuba can leave dust or film when dry.

    #23 7 months ago
    Quoted from jkleinnd:

    is there a good standard of waxing frequency for light play vs med monthly playing vs heavy?

    Drag your fingers over the playfield in front of the flippers and see if it still feels waxed.

    You'll instantly know if you've worn off the wax.

    #24 7 months ago

    Wildcat #125, recommended by Bally.

    #25 7 months ago
    Quoted from MrBally:

    Wildcat #125, recommended by Bally.

    It's less than 10% wax, 20% abrasives and 60% water.

    We didn't even use it back in the day, lol

    Wildcat msds.pdf
    #26 7 months ago
    Quoted from vid1900:

    It's less than 10% wax...

    That's Less than 10% more than we all thought it had.

    #27 7 months ago
    Quoted from vid1900:

    It's less than 10% wax, 20% abrasives and 60% water.
    We didn't even use it back in the day, lol[quoted image]

    You posted the Mill Wax MSDS, despite the file name saying Wildcat.

    The route op I worked for between '79 & '85 did not use Mill Wax, but we bought lots of Wildcat 125. Usually two cartons of twelve 12 oz bottles with our monthly Wico or Great Amusement Emporium order. Plus a few of the larger bottles for use in the shop.

    And yes, Wildcat 125 contains 0% wax. but it sure cleans and "polishes" those EM and early Solid State pin playfields....
    msds-wildcat-125.pdf

    #28 7 months ago

    Say what you want, but that goddamn wildcat just burned that dirt off right quick.

    #29 7 months ago

    I use both these. One for my board and the other for pinball. We need another surf pinball!

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    #30 7 months ago
    Quoted from vid1900:

    The lid is really hard to open, so there is no way in hell your kids or wife can get into it.

    HA!
    I was repairing some pins at a friends house and he had a brand new tub of Blitz that I opened.
    Strained my hand so much doing so that it was sore for days afterwards.
    I need to say that I work with my hands every single day and pride myself on having a good grip.
    Glad that I'm not the only one who has experienced this!

    #31 7 months ago
    Quoted from mbwalker:

    I actually contacted some wax manufacturers (not big box store brands) about their carnauba waxes, and if their product contained silicone. Apparently, if it was truly carnauba and nothing else, it would be like a brick. Very hard and for all practical purposes, impossible to apply. So it is not uncommon that even w/carnauba, there will be additives (silicone) to make it pliable. While I learned something, I ended up being more frustrated in the end on what to use.
    From wiki: "Although too brittle to be used by itself, carnauba wax is often combined with other waxes (principally beeswax) to treat and waterproof many leather products where it provides a high-gloss finish and increases leather's hardness and durability." Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnauba_wax
    And from Meguiar's: "Carnauba wax is harder then concrete in natural forum must be softened with solvents." Link: https://meguiarsonline.com/forums/showthread.php?25310-The-MYTHS-of-Carnauba-wax

    Yeah definitely pure carnauba is hard as rock. But there are lots of different additives you can use to soften up the wax. Silicone is one of them, and from what I understand if a wax has Silicone in it it can really cause problems if you ever go to clearcoat the playfield. So it's one of the ones I'm trying to stay away from.

    Sounds like Blitz Wax is the way I'm gonna go then. Greatly appreciate all the replies.

    As far as the wildcat wax goes I can't say I will ever trust the stuff. I've seen too many negative points on it. Also, I have a lightning and there are 2 large triangle inserts on the lower playfield. This machine used to be cleaned solely with wildcat 125. Those plastic triangle inserts have started to warp over the years. I'm not going to say 100% that it was the wildcat 125, but when I heard about it's disagreements with plastics I immediately assumed that was the cause of my triangle inserts warping. I have since changed to other cleaners/waxes and the warping seems to have stopped. I know there are some people who swear it is the best cleaner out there for pinballs. But why use something that your taking a risk with when you can use something else that you know will work just as well with no risk? And I had heard negatives about wildcat 125 well before I started looking at pinside. So can't blame anything on here for that.

    #32 7 months ago

    My other concern with Wildcat... It's Bally recommended right? So is that possibly one of the reasons that so many of the early bally pinballs have such terrible playfields? I just know that I've seen a TON of bally machines in terrible shape. Honestly my Xenon playfield is shot (New CPR Playfield ready to go!) and I have an embryon that was shot when I got it. so many spots that were bare wood it wasn't even funny. So did wildcat have something to do with this? maybe? maybe not... but it sure if a bit of a coincidence.

    #33 7 months ago

    I use:

    Zymol Carbon Wax

    amazon.com link »

    #34 7 months ago
    Quoted from Rayy:

    My other concern with Wildcat... It's Bally recommended right? So is that possibly one of the reasons that so many of the early bally pinballs have such terrible playfields?

    What year did Bally recommend this. And do they stand by their product if anything goes wrong.

    It is possible we've learned to care for our playfields better since way back when.

    When I was a kid it was Comet cleanser and water. Anyone still using that ?

    LTG : )

    #35 7 months ago
    Quoted from jkleinnd:

    I know slightly sideways on the topic, but- for HUO collection- is there a good standard of waxing frequency for light play vs med monthly playing vs heavy?

    One or 2 coats is all you need, otherwise you pull off the wax.

    #36 7 months ago
    Quoted from LTG:

    What year did Bally recommend this. And do they stand by their product if anything goes wrong.
    It is possible we've learned to care for our playfields better since way back when.
    When I was a kid it was Comet cleanser and water. Anyone still using that ?
    LTG : )

    Exactly.

    Williams issued a Service Bulletin in 1980 telling people NOT to use those liquid **cleaners**

    I posted a scan of it in the Playfield Cleaning and Waxing Guide

    #37 7 months ago
    Quoted from vid1900:

    Exactly.
    Williams issued a Service Bulletin in 1980 telling people NOT to use those liquid **cleaners**
    I posted a scan of it in the Playfield Cleaning and Waxing Guide

    Not calling you a liar Vid, and I don't use Wildcat but all my Bally manuals say this:

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    #38 7 months ago
    Quoted from shock_me:

    Not calling you a liar Vid, and I don't use Wildcat but all my Bally manuals say this:[quoted image][quoted image]

    Sure 40 years ago Bally & Williams said to use it.

    But it got phased out and every operator got this service notice to not use any of those cleaners

    You never saw it recommended again after that notice

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    #39 7 months ago
    Quoted from vid1900:

    Sure 40 years ago...

    40, 30, 1980, 1989...

    I'd stay away from numbers Vid.

    #40 7 months ago

    RGP thread from a few years back where the maker of Wildcat came on to defend his product and some of the naysayers said

    "novus 2" is now the recommended cleaner of choice. Thought that was an abrasive polish myself.

    https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.games.pinball/zy9A6_zIPJE

    #41 7 months ago
    Quoted from TheLaw:

    40, 30, 1980, 1989...
    I'd stay away from numbers Vid.

    I have Bally manuals from 40 years ago that absolutely recommend that stuff, like the Playboy manual from 1978

    https://www.ipdb.org/files/1823/Bally_1978_Playboy_Manual.pdf

    #42 7 months ago
    Quoted from vid1900:

    I have Bally manuals from 40 years ago that absolutely recommend that stuff,

    Yes we all understand that.

    #43 7 months ago
    Quoted from TheLaw:

    Yes we all understand that.

    Excellent. Cause it seemed like there was confusion, lol

    Quoted from TheLaw:

    40, 30, 1980, 1989...

    I'd stay away from numbers Vid.

    #44 7 months ago

    Yes, I think you are confused.

    Quoted from vid1900:

    Exactly.
    Williams issued a Service Bulletin in 1980 telling people NOT to use those liquid **cleaners**

    You then posted something from 1989, then followed it up with letting us know they used to say to use Wildcat, which we already knewm.

    #45 7 months ago
    Quoted from TheLaw:

    Yes, I think you are confused.

    Sounds like a bunch of double-talk to me, lol

    #46 7 months ago

    Well I was trying to keep this from becoming an argumentative question by stating that I was only interested in the 4 waxes I had posted haha. Obviously that didn't work out. Yes Bally used to recommend wildcat. Yes Williams has suggested to not use "liquid cleaners due to mylar issues". Were they talking directly about wildcat? I think so. Is there proof? probably not. But with that being said, once again why use something that poses a risk to your plastic pieces when you can use other cleaners/waxes that pose almost 0 risk to anything on your playfield. I'd rather stay safe...

    #47 7 months ago
    Quoted from Rayy:

    Were they talking directly about wildcat?

    Yep and millwaxy stuff too.

    The distributors were not happy because they used to sells gallons of that stuff to all the operators.

    There was talk of a "safe" reformulation, but I don't remember it ever coming out.

    Williams was installing "full" playfield Mylars just prior to the bulletin, and they were terrible. Think Spaceshuttle, Comet, F14 - all the nightmare mylars you have come to love

    Then they switched to Diamondplate cloudycoat, and you guys have seen how that all wore off on TAF, MM and all the other popular titles.

    Every TAF mansion could have used a big piece of Mylar for sure.

    #48 7 months ago
    Quoted from Thunderpants:

    Are there any european dealers of the Blitz wax, or equivalent wax suitable for my playfield?
    I'm really not a fan of paying import taxes.
    Thanks

    Its available here
    https://pu-parts.com/blitz-carnauba-paste-wax-12-ounce-jar

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    #49 7 months ago

    Johnson's Paste Wax

    #50 7 months ago

    What's wrong with Mother's carnauba wax? Does it have silicones?

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