Is the pin2dmd colorization complete? Im curious as i couldnt find the release trailer on vpuniverse.

I havent heard anything and really, all he needs to do is remove the wrong hat call out...

Just saw the video!! Thanks for that!! Im on the fence with getting a pin2dmd, kinda want it for my lw3 as the colorization is 100%, but this looks good too. Damn i hope they finish it up.

Where did u get that tv from? Thats great!!

Anyone in canada have a spare set of waybac ramp entrance protectors?

Or anyone made their own?

Question guys how much does a clean rnb go for in ur areas? Ideally im looking at canada price checks..
I never see fully shopped ones for sale.

Just got the first step of my new rnb, rab, r&b working properly.

Boardset is so super clean except for the gi cn8 off the power board. Just so happens i had a gutted crusin usa cab and got the header connector repinned and she is on! One ramp was not lined up properly and got that sorted as well. Started a game and she runs!

Now to replace a drop target, a lot of gi bulbs, led all inserts, gi, and replace the launcher housing!

And going to take a stab at cliffys and diy a set...

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This guy has the message. When ur coloring pages, for pinball, its not about the hours - i think its something that just gets easier and more effecient the more screens are completed. Its really like restoring an older game and getting it going, hard to do it for money.

Look at Melanko that did lw3? The backstory was pretty good and he is really good spirted about how it ended up, more importantly he continued working on it 2yrs later. And he continues to be a mentor in the art community that does this for donations after being outcast by colordmds founder.

There is technically no difference in what the two do, its mainly in how they do what they do.

Colordmd built in a licensing model that requires you to purchase a license to use the hardware and i think its tied to a specific title per dmd. I am not exactly clear on the finer details but basically, the model is designed to ensure that you cannot just use the screen on its own... or if u can, its neutered.

The model is a quality feature for the dmd in that the product is plug and play and all the fonts, animations, that are displayed have all been colorized, or frames in the animation sequences and scoring have been captured and re-painted so the colordmd can display it when its called in gameplay or attract-mode.

pin2dmd is effectively the same thing.

The difference is in the colorizing or painting of pixels is done by a team of artists that are kept on retainer and paid accordingly from colordmd. This helps get the games completed to 100% and also ensures progress doesn't get lost along the way. I am sure there are other things im missing but generally, there is a high level of quality that when you are going colordmd in that every pixel has been gone over and its 100% at release, and the release schedule is announced etc.

Pin2dmd is a community driven project where the painting is done by community artists that are donating their time and talent to paint in the exact same things colordmd is doing. The difference is in, without any payment going to the artists directly, pin2dmd has no timeline when a title is started, completed etc. Further, the quality of what is considered, "complete" is entirely subjective and up to the artist. The hardware also has a small usage agreement software key that is like $10. The boards are open source right down to the pcb spec and can be prototyped and produced by anyone.

You can have a pin2dmd that looks exactly like colordmd, or one that may even look better than colordmd, or one that is incomplete or WIP for 12 months.

Or, you can even take the liberty of painting the pixels yourself with pin2dmd if you are not satisfied with what's out there!

Just squaring up my new to me rnb winter refresh project.

Was having an issue with the left flipper never making it up the right ramp.. it would hit it but it was never making it up. Polished up the pf and ramps not much diff... refreshed the coils and cleaned up all the plungers and linkages, still not really great.

Right flipper was ok and could make the right ramp and was very similar to the left flipper, no slop no play, sleeves were good.

Looked at all the fuses, flipper board fuse clips were on their way out so i replaced those, nice and tight

Cleaned down and adjusted the cab switches as well

Flipper board leds are ok, seems to test ok.
Still no dice.. weak left flipper.

Decided to swap the left and right coils to see if its my flipper board thats acting up and where does the problem manifest.

And thats what seemed to fix the problem! For some reason after swapping coils left to right, both my coils are full power and hitting the right ramp works great now!@

Not sure if anyone has had weird flipper issues, but this worked and im gonna run with it.. i read just about every data east coil, weak flipper thread published to pinside so i figure contribute a fix post. Thumbs-up

Oh and no the power just didnt go to the left flipper, both are now much stronger than before... i have no idea what happened as the original install didnt have any issues, solder joints was good etc.

No, same factory flippers coils. This game couldnt make the ramps, at all. flipper bats were cracked, and jackpot diverter was misadjusted so that vuk is brand new. Right ramp is in NOS condition down to the entrance thats still perfect. Even the Nell motor is factory and still works fine. Original belt is still there but stretched.

Every coil in the game has the period correct Bear Claw paper wrapper and the coils have the banded wrappers.

Now both flippers are great. Factory ones at that and i have the rear legs jacked to the max and the fronts are slammed.

Its a weird one that i think just spent most of its time as a glorified night light in the corner of a location and didnt move... or get played.

Ok cool. I did not know that. I reflowed the header pins on both ends of the flipper board, but it was just heating up the pads with the tip of my iron and then adding fresh solder.

I did cut and strip a fresh end to attach to those coils, maybe that was it.

After playing tonight and making sure things were good after a few games, i went to the adjustments and turned down the coil strength to LOW and played a few more games after that to make sure i can still hit that ramp.

Fixed up the nell log. Looks like the factory issue motor needs a touch of preload for the gears to operate in the correct rotation, else i was having trouble with it moving backwards. The game i have was not played much so the gear wheel and track look new. My gear wheel backed out from the axle teeth a mm, so i pressed it back in, tightend the allen head screw between the gear wheel and the pulley, then filled the gap in with JB weld. Works perfectly now, the motor gets the log to the end of the track where it zips back to the start and then continues up to the buzz saw until the timer runs out.

My timer starts at 13 but pretty sure its an adjustment setting. Just nice to see the nell log get to the end consistently, and zip back to the starting point, which makes me believe there is some kind of clutch inside the motor, why the motor has brass gears and why the motor needs a bit of spring preload to kick it off in the right direction.

Notice much missing fro tje pin2dmd colorization?

What does yours do?

This assembly on mine is really factory and seldomly used. First, the flippers were out of wack, and one drop target was broken somehow, so this feature was never triggered. The gear wheel backs out from the splined section of the axle due to the way it wants to lay lateral expansion when the radial spring is wound.

Here is what mine does. It does back up but i think its acceptable for an old game and i dont fully understand the operation as i never saw what its supposed to do when new.

It resets and starts everytime which i think is probably close or how it was to work.

That would be very unusual unless it wasnt assembled correctly or it skipped teeth somehow as there is a barrel spring used to set a fixed position at one end of the assembly. I do see it go backwards sometimes but it will always reset to its starting position at the bottom.

The issue i had with my motor was that it wouldnt start consistently as sometimes it would not move or move backwards from the starting position at the end of the track.

I want to say there is a very simple clutch from how one gear has an rounded arcorn fitting into the gear beside it, but i cant confirm. Through testing i just noticed that nell would only consistently kick off going toward the saw if there was a very slight amount of preload in the spring, making the motor turn against it. If there ws no preload, the motor would start in a random direction based on how much preload there was from it being sent to its starting position from the barrell spring.

I am super curious about how or why its designed this way but it appears to be really durable, so i would think the issue many people have with it is in how its setup.

U should be able to lower the motor section from the nell log track and wind the motor so there is some spring preload (where the barrel spring goes thru the gear, looks about to be around the 10-11oclock position.) And then when u connect the motor back to the nell log, it would lock the motor in gear creating a starting preload for the motor.

This looked expensive, and reworks the mech entirely with a diff electronic control

What did urs do improperly to make u upgrade? Got me curious now!

Wait, the spring is pre coiled. When u extend either ends into one holr on the frame and other hole in the gear, is when more coils are wound when the spring gets loaded

Wind the spring/gear wheel assembly a couple of turns before dropping the nell rack onto the gear wheel

Separating the rack from the gear wheel is simple! Once the two are apart, just wind the gear wheel manually and lock it with the nell log rack in the starting position at the lowest along the slot.

Happy holidays ladies.

Ah yah, funny enough i have also been restoring mine and found this paint in my kids stuff and yup, it really matches well, good to see it was discovered a while back! Lol

I also have 1.3
I also had the work and no work,

Make sure the allen key scrrw is tight on the drive shaft and the gear wheel pushed up closest to the motor side, and make sure the gear wheel isnt slipping.

Then its only up to the gears internal to the motor to keep it going.

The only thing i dont understand is why does the motor change direction and why is it designed that way

Congrats, good work on the fix!! I found the jb weld is great for pins lol.

In other news i got a housing for the launcher from a buddy of mine. And my cab exterior is now complete and i restored the areas that were chewed by the idiot lockdown bar x2 install...

Oh whoops, coin door lock bars...
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Regarding save nell timing, yes there is no variable rpm, and yes there should be fixed starting point as the nell log can travel multiple passes when engaged. This is due to the nell timer being variable from the game settings.

"is independent of Adjustment 51: “Any Drop Saves Nell”. If that adjustment is set to Yes, then dropping any target will save Nell. If set to NO, then you must drop all five targets. Even when set to NO, you still must drop all 5 targets before the timer starts to get the Fast Save Nell bonus (Light Extra Ball or +25M).

Did you know:

Game Difficulty has no effect on "Fast Save Nell"; however, it does effect the timer for the standard Save Nell.
Moderate Difficulty gives you 15 seconds to Save Nell. Subtract 5 seconds for each harder level and add 5 seconds for each easier difficulty level.
When “Any Drop Saves Nell” is set to NO, you get an extra 10 seconds on the timer.
e.g., 25 seconds with Moderate Game Difficulty set."

Source: https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/fractured-pinball-rules-rocky-and-bullwinkle-re-re-re-visited#post-1037831

Man, this game in multiball is magical. Trying to get up to the jackpot scoop and hitting the ramp is great but the add a ball when in 2ball mode should be in more game of this era!!! Ugh!

Reseat the dmd power connector and ribbon cables

The knocker may not work if its not there. Check inside the cab. It may be removed.

The volume, just turn the long metal shaft inside the coin door, on the right.

Did your friend make any progress?

Working at it

Mechanically perfect:
No weird bricks from the auto laucher.
Relay for the flap is closed so it doesnt shoot all the way thru (think afm)
All the mechs for the backbox work perfect and drop perfect every time (hat trick selections)
Hat trick trigger gate is perfectly dialed in with the diverter flap
2nd Diverter on ramp is adjusted not to nick the ramp plastic.
Nell motor is rebuilt and works perfectly on every engagement. (Used to not correctly when it worked)
And front cab coindoor bar holes filled in, repainted, launcher button and housing replaced!

All in all a solid project and plays great.

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Still a wip, need to add some further gi lighting behind the saw house and in the drain as its so dark

Leds being leds.

Also, added a socket and lamp under Cleo as its cut out to accept, But there is no socket wired or installed in the darkest area of the pf!

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Gameplay by future Pro League jr.

seriously good cleaning job there!!

ok flashers and switch all go to the back corner, switch gets connected to the ramps.

for plastics, the yellow goes in first, then green over it. that is looking mint otherwise!!

I just got mine all lit too. swapped out the lower vuk and pop wafer tonight.. plays so sweet.

in the same game, hit double jp 2x, and then on 2 different triball opportunities, i missed the bullwinkles treasure super jackpot 2x.. ugh!!

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like any pin, when its dialed in right and everything is working properly its fast and a blast.

mine came with a misadjusted lower diverter, both lower flippers out of adjustment, right ramp was practically new because it saw so little traffic.

as much as i wish it had better rules, or more depth, it seems most de games seem to cough up MB on the 3rd ball, and all you have to do is make the shot to trigger it. getting jp seems to be a while different story, and then add in double jackpot and super jackpot and now its really cooking. i like the fact that you can add a ball when down to bi-ball mode, and the timed triball restart is also satisfying to hit the ramp when its counting down. The music with the countdown timer is well suited. going ramp to ramp over and over again gives millions and also combo rewards with a spot on the pie. Maybe for rules, if they made an option for no mystery mode, no score double and to give a bit more time for the spin and win, it would be good. SPin n win should get more use i say...

its a fun pin for sure, but it got slaughtered in 93 since so many good games came out that year...

im at home and play my machine at least a few times a day when i step away from the desk, tomorrow i should be putting in mirror vinyl for the sides. I'll have the glass off and can help take pics.

Done for now

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I pulled a t10 bulb holder from an old coin door, and put a super bright non ghosting no flicker from comet in there. Then i hot glued it to the underside of the apron.

I couldnt find a strip i liked and i didnt have any that didnt ghost...

Yah, i just ran it thru the apron, under the pf and tied it into the gi under the left sling.

I also added strip leds to the saw house, around the pie and added a spotlamp over the left sling and added a gi lamp under the cleopatra plastic..! Its been fun and the pin deserves it!!
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Chance! You still got this machine?

I was thinking of running the leds off the 12 flasher when the nell log is running... or when snidely wants to hit it.. like during the million drops mode...

Maybe its possible to run it off the motor... good idea too... i know the motor is just driven off timed pulses like just another coil... to a relay board to the motor.. so think of this as a knocker with 12 knocks behind it....

Maybe i will revist the flasher idea as i have a few purple 12v that could flash under the saw house... hmmm

Ah yes.. for some reason i had Chance confused with your Canadian arcade channel.. its been a while.

Dang, bro price eh? Ive seen some insane pin prices esp during these lockdown times.. R&b is really fun, as long as you are pk with the call outs, art and knowing its DATA EAST. I remember watching reruns of the cartoon growing up... it would be mixed in with the original Spiderman and Hercules .

Josh, funny i just re watched your video showcasing this game, yesterday, as i was doing some research on the title if i had been missing any playing strategies. Ill hope to put up a gameplay video as well that can show some decent scoring!!
Nice to see its going to a good home.

For those who are new to the title.

Its finally the weekend again, ill look into powering a light strip.. ideally i would have liked a spotlight at the nell log as it moves, so as Chance says, it kicks on to reveal the moving log, but i cant see anywhere that would work cleanly to mount one - a flashing saw house could be the next best thing but ill have to see if there are othet options.

The relay board takes 28v in, and outputs 17v for the motor i read somewhere else.. which is not bad as most 12v leds should handle this without much issue...

Chance, if ur gonna powercoat the cab hardware, can i suggest u also remove the ramp entrance gates that are over each ramp and do those too. Not the wire gate that flaps open, the part over the ramps that hold the flashing light.

Ah so it is both of you. Ok now its clear lol.

Im going to tie somethng into the existing flasher circuit as its... low effort for me!

Sidebar: any of you guys dabble in bootloader hacking? Trying to open up dmdmk66 to PIN2dmd firmware....

Get pi

PIN2DMD firmware.. whoops..

Go pin2dmd. Ive had the pcbs in my checkout for a while but i dont want to commit to min5 pcs. The new 64 color firmware is in early stages, but it looks lkke its going to take dmd painting to the next level.

Support lucky1. He has been so great to this community

Yah, depends if the artist will revisit old works... id really want the cartoon cut animations to have a nice blue sky in them, and the score font to be like the font used in the diagnostic and adjustments screens... but i think its a lot of work...

But at least it is possible... unlike pinballsp dmdmk66 which is all but abandoned or colordmd which is only 16 color pallette

Can dream!

For the guys that want to take the nell log to a new level...

I just had a similar issue.

RESEAt the ribbon dmd cable to the sound card and the molex connector below the sound roms on the sound card.

This fixed it for me. I had random sound and call oits at random times and this is a known issue.

Prelim game play after all the relighting and dialing in the pf.

And it only plays 1x... each... then silence

Positive and neg polarity is reversed on 3/4 of the flaser bulbs. Orange to the center. They can be reversed, no issues.

Press on the sound roms. But mainly the ribbon cable is the culprit.

Its a data east thing as far as i know. My williams games will play an attract mode noise every few minutes.. system 11 and up and im sure earlier games as well.

its mainly a lot of added lighting... crap play as my left knuckles are swole from maybe too much drinking..

nell log is changed up as the spring reload is prob gonna break it soon... so its going to be just starting and stops anywhere but will resume and just move along the track up or down. at least it lit now.

Finally captured a few seconds of the nell log with my leds, in action!!

Well done!!! Im stoked to see the progress! Makes for an awesome covid project.

You guys notice anything that could go out of adjustment on the active ball flap thing at the top lanes? The flapper that opens for loop orbits? I find sometimes i get the ball rebound off of it and come back down the right orbit and im thibking the flapper needs to be angled a bit to reduce this.

chk online. i saw a video or pic of an rnb with inner blades and they have an image of rocky on one side and bully on the other and look a bit better than the simple run on background of the ones posted. They both look great as the backboard is all this same art anyway.

I think the blades in newer games looks pretty boss... where the art is really nice, deadpool is good and the avengers iq and i think GNR look dope af.

I am also a fan of the more expansive display with the reflective surfaces.

not for everyone, but i think it fits the colorfulness of this title.

Me wrecking shop on my R&B.
I did an amazing job of fumbling the wabac and missing the super jackpot.

Otherwise good game!

Hahahah yah im more a fan of white or blue.

So messed but fun -just found that super select double score award was only to happen UP TO 100 MILLION, but i just had it award on 209 mill, and rocked 418 mill plus!!! Hahah

There is no light for ball save on r&b.

The ball save is just 4 switch activations.

If the ball hits less than 4 switches before the drain, u get the stay tuned, theres more save.

Unfortunately its the same from balls 1-3.. unlike williams that will give a bit more time on the 3rd ball.

Really wish a rom would come out for that that incorporates ball save and allows for ordered modes.. or a score threshold to be met before the mode is completed.

Damn i would love to see this happen!! Make sure the metal flap over the aesop hole is still bent to direct the ball.

Amazing.

Im so impressed how you tied the nonsensical story dialog into your rules explaination. Thet should sticky all your rule breakdowns for the games.

Any neat tricks or easter eggs you may had run across? Its still a super slick and fun game...!!

any old style dmd will work from any machine.

for 5v led stern sam dmd you just need to pull the high voltage fuses but also bend out a prong on the 5v dmd

Nice work.

Mine is gone... traded away for an all LED NASCAR.

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/trade-advice-rocky-bullwinkle-for-nascar#post-6196746

Definitely gone to someone that will appreciate it.

And nascar works 100%, just needs a light cleaning.

Some data east have 30.5" for the rears. Tales from the Crypt, Tommy and Last Action Hero had some weird trouble with being tall enough for anythibg more than 5 degree playfield angles. Its not well documented, but i have read it on pinside. Some owners even put 2"x4" under the rear legs just to get to 7 degrees.

Pin2dmd has a colorization for this btw!

Once u get LAH up and running, the nell log won't bother you as much...

This is an awesome game.

Play with the glass off and test the hat trick and the diverter to get into thwt vuk as well. Flippers should be inspected but you are on the right track with coil stops. One could be loose or mal adjusted.

The vuks in this game are older style and rely on a floating platform that is secured to the vuk coils shaft with a pin that is allowed to slide lengthwise relative to the shaft.

The ball drops onto the platform, pushing down a switch arm. That will trigger the switch to score and fire the vuk.

Check the hatrick vuk and the one on the left lower of the pf... these like to fail and can be brittle now if never changed. They can also be hacked up to not move freely and dont work consistently as a result.

Our buddy cary hardy is up in restoring on of these.

Id check if the motor is working. It probably is, but the belt is toast.

Check the sound board amp circut. Sometimes its just really quiet and you can get power to the amp.

Lighting the nell box is a nice upgrade. I did it to mine.

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