I joined the club today!

Been in storage for years. So its dirty as heck. I’ll shoot pics tomorrow.
I already bought new pinballs, backbox animal plastics, and rubbers.

I was going to get leds after I did a count, but if someone has a rough idea how what colors, and how many, I would appreciate it.

Also a recommendation on where to get the leds and what type .

Its dirty, but should clean up nicely. May be a month or so before I get a game in.

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Upon closer inspection, I am going to have to virtually remove every part from the play field to get this thing clean.

I have a couple of questions (though it seems I'm the only one in this thread, hahaha).

Are any of the ramps reproduced/available? One of my has a hole in it and was duct taped. geez. I can mickey mouse it in the mean time.

I am looking in the manual at the bulbs I need to order. I will be placing an order with comet I think.

It mentions 4 bulb types:
44
89
555
906

Looking at the play field layout in the manual I can do a decent job of counting the 44s, 89's and 555s. I can't see a single 906 listed on the play field layout in the manual. Does anyone know if it uses any , or the exact count (including back box if relevant)

The manual doesn't seem to show the back box bulb placement. I guess I can just go count those.

There may be 6 906's in the back box. I ordered them just in case. I ordered a ton of non ghosting leds from comet, so I should be good there. THanks on the weatherstripping insight. It looks like 2 of the back box animal plastics are good. I may just replace the lion and keep the other 2 good pieces for now. I want to say it's the right ramp thats busted. I'll look around. I ordered some plastic protectors (9 piece, $28 set) , can't hurt since I am going to have to almost strip this thing as I am going through it. (just to clean it). New rubbers are on hand. Somebody mentioned an NVRAM to me to eliminate batteries? I need to do that in the near future as well.

I will do that lion coil test after I recap the upper left hand board in the back box, and reflow the others.

thanks!
Dylan

edit: I am just using a white tee shirt and water right now to get all of the dirt off. After I think I've reasonably done that, I think I will wax the play field Does this process seem acceptable? Also, do you guys use mirror blades, or the other non-mirror blades I've seen somewhere?

Nice job!

Two questions:
Where can I get the pop bumpers and skirts you mentioned?
Are the guns n roses drop down targets the same as the save nell drop down targets? I have a new set for gnr (backups).

Wow this machine is filthy. I didn’t quite realize I was getting into a 40+ hour project on this machine.

Anyway I pulled up the nell side of the play field. Glued the broken plastic. (Among many other broken plastics), and took some pics of the inside of the nell “unit”.

Am I missing something? Looks like a pulley in there that is missing the “rope”/rubber?

Edit: I found the nell belt on marco and placed an order.

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Ok so I am a couple of hours in to getting the nell log feature going.

For some reason I cannot get the pulley with gear to mount into the motor. It pretends to go in somewhat, but when I gently slide it back and forth to test the log, it pops out of the motor. I assume maybe something is broke, or I am missing a lock nut/c-clip for the bottom of the pulley?

I have not yet, once, got it to insert to a point where it goes through to the other side where a c-clip could attach if it were supposed to.

Any insight?

And clearly I am an idiot. I can’t figure out how to remove the old and install the new SAVED drop targets.

Edit: It was much more involved than I would have expected, but I got the new SAVED drop targets in.

I’m making progress!

well I ordered a new motor off of ebay just in case I can't get mine to work.

I don't even know if mine works at this point, but I certainly cannot get the pulley wheel to stay in the motor. It keeps falling out.

That is what I was thinking as well. At least once I get the other half of the playfield's components removed and cleaned, I can coin her up and play.

I am thinking of pulling the color DMD from my guns n roses and putting it in here. Do I need to do some type of programming or something? I've never even messed with the color dmd before. It came in my gnr.

So they are incompatible?

I am pretty pumped! I have 3 days off and I think I am going to be able to put in some hours on the clean up of this machine.

Got the new nell motor.

I have this 1 plastic from a 8 or 9 piece protector set , that I cannot tell where it goes.

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Figured out where this goes.

May as well get a few more pics of the filth while I am working through it.

What are the odds I get this put back together properly? Haha

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I decided to stop here and wax everything that is waxable. My new comet bulbs arrive tomorrow so I cant really finish today anyway. After I get it put back together, I’ll get that final piece of the right ramp up, cleaned, waxed, rubbered, leds.

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A couple of things are holding me back a little. (though there is plenty to do, so no wasted time really)

How do you remove the pop bumper skirts (or whatever they are called)?

What is the best way to get the spin to win cover off. I see 4 small plastic screws but they just spin, they don't come out. I guess I have to figure out how to get back in there and get some pliers on the plastic nut on the back side? (assuming that is what is back there)?

Edit: spin to win pops off, got that figured out. Pop bumper skirts, I assume I need to get under the playfield. I will report back tomorrow.

I want to replace my flipper bats.

Yellow seems cool.

Any suggestions on where to buy?

Ordered the flipper bats , thanks.

Here are two pics of the pass through for the Hat trick. Looks like a wire broke off. I think it goes on the center prong.

More importantly it looks like I am missing an “arm” to the microswitch that would trigger the switch each time I pass through? If so, can someone tell me where to order a replacement?
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Well its a minor miracle. I got it back together. The play field looks fantastic now.

Coins up, starts, but doesn’t kick a ball to the shooter lane for launch.

I am done for today.

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Ok I soldered the wire to the hat trick ramp, and found the little actuator arm in the bottom of the cab. Haha.

I snapped it back on and it works fine.

I have 2 distinct issues , otherwise I am up and running:

The ball will NOT kick out into the shooter lane for launch.
When the ball drains, it sits in the bottom of the cab, kind of not registering that it drained. I assume these could be related?

I am clunky at best in test mode, but while I was in switch test (i think), I believe I was being given operator tech alerts for:
Outhole
Trough #1 left
Trough #2 center
Trough #3 right

This issues are all tied together huh?

After this, and installing my new nell motor, I should be good.

I noticed that my machine has code 1.10 (I think)

I am a rom burning newb. Does anyone sell a plug and play chip for the update?

thanks

I spent some more time in there and determine 4 coils aren't firing.

Out hole, shooter lane , and 2 in the back box, squirrel and rhino.

Looks like they all feed off of the same connector (J2 I think), so I am going to explore that when I get some time.

I got it virtually 100% working now. Ended up being cracked solder joints on the lower left board in the back box.

So my current nell motor isn’y functioning properly. I can hear it running though.

Anyway, I have the unit apart. The shaft of the motor has come loose from the motor and is stuck in the pulley.

I removed the set screw. It won’t budge. Wd40, it won’t budge. Pics below, with a pic of the new motor.

Any insight?

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ok, I finally banged that old shaft out. (insert joke)

Got the new motor installed and it works very nicely. I agree with prior comments that it may not be uniform as far as going up and then coming right back down, but it works, and its cool.

Cliffys installed, (the cliffys really saved my wabac ramp. It had a huge chunk missing and the left cliffy took care of it), motor installed. Way more hours than I'd care to admit.

All I need now is the new legs I ordered (the machine is not level, and I can't get the feet to move even after soaking with pb blaster for 2 days), NVRAM (also on order), oh yeah I got the new yellow flipper bats (and a full rebuid kit just to have on hand). I need to consider upgrading the revision from 1.10 to whatever the most current is, and boom I'll be as good as I could hope to be.

edit : oh yeah , I need to install the new Lion I have in the back box, and finish rebuilding/reflowing solder to each of the boards in the back box. 2 down, 2 to go.

I am not sure of the best place for this (or if there is even a need).

I have my original nell spring and motor I replaced, I would sell.

thanks I think I have a local buddy who burns roms all of the time doing this for me.

Question:

What angle should R and B be set at? I think I should be at a steeper incline, but I have the back legs all the way up and the front legs all the way down. My ball gets stuck in the nell targets quite often. Pisses me off. It seems like if it were steeper , that wouldn't happen? I bought some new feet with soft rubber on the bottom. Maybe I need longer feet?

I had another question but I"ll have to remember it and get back.

Thanks
I determined the cause of my ball sitting on nell targets is because a large band should be sitting behind the targets. My machine didn't have that rubber when I got it. So I am happy about that part. Almost there to having this in fantastic playing shape.

Awesome! If I didn’tjust spent 10 hours and $60 on a replacement motor, I’d be in.

I am having a couple of issues with my R&B. Many times throughout a game (not all the time), hitting my left flipper trips the center hat target and the right flipper activates the lower hat target. Causing hundreds of “wrong hat” callouts.

My lion is no longer lifting up on hat trick. It was fully working, then seemed partially working, now not at all.
I have continuity at both sides of the molex set coming from the coil. Coil went bad ? It still moves freely by hand.

oh yeah, also worth mentioning. My right flipper lacks strength at some points in the game. Almost always when the ball comes out of the left scoop/vuk, if I try to hammer the ball with the right flipper it only goes up half way and barely projects the ball. In one other instance (IIRC), if it comes around the orbit, counterclockwise to the right flipper, it doesn't fire with authority.

If I cradle the ball, I can hit both ramps from the right flipper.

I am thinking of doing a little cab repair and touch up on my R&B. Is there a standard blue paint code that someone can make me aware of?

I see a picture of what looks like (cant see the entire name of the product)

Craft smart
Bright blue

?

ok, seeing as that is the only paint I see in any of the images in this thread, I guess I'll pick some of that up.

After I buy it, I guess you can give me the next clue?

I thought I'd mention that these look awesome on my game. Thank you

After market led, or standard classic bulb?

How much for the latest version? Mine is perfect, and the 7 hours I spent getting it that way .....is......starting to fade. So I could possibly talk myself into changing it.

I just got a PIN2DMD

Has anyone here installed one?

How is the old display removed?

I got it all installed. I am trying to get the nerve to power it on, haha.

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Ok it didnt blow up. But its stuck on this screen.

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Ha i forgot to plug the +5 back in. All good now. I am pumped!

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$210 shipped total.

I thinks its $420 for the colordmd

I have no idea what the color differences are, but I LOVE this one.

I will get a pic. It is very simple.

I have my 2 - original data east dmds that I do not need. Do guys sell these? If so, what is their value.

One came from my Guns n Roses, the other from Rocky and Bullwinkle. both work 100%, they were replaced with colordmd and pin2dmd.

I appreciate any input concerning value (if any).

Ok I need help disabling the slam tilt. I have 700 million going, and a firm tilt killed my game. Its done that on several occasions now.

I assume there is more than 1 slam tilt? The one in the coin door , I bent to a point where it doesn't work, and I still slam tilt. Anyone know where the other one(s) is/are?

I bought the pin2dmd and I love it. I mean I LOVE IT!

I do have a colordmd in my gnr. Lcd version set to dmd I think. Could I swap the 2? I like RnB better anyway.

Finally broke 1 billion again. It’s been awhile.

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My nell set was busted up so I had to buy a new motor off of ebay. The "new" motor did not work the same as the original. So mine just goes up and back and stops whereever it stops. It doesn't start at the bottom adn move towards the saw, the way it was originally designed. I spent several hours getting it working so I will NEVER pull it apart again unless it breaks.

Concerning the pin2dmd
the only color issues I notice is that on occasion a frame or 2 turns green and red for everything vs. the new colors. Bullwinkle for example is brown with yellow antlers, on a scene or two for the start of spin to win he will go red /and green for a frame and then turn back to brown and yellow. ON back in time I see Shermans head is red and green instead of the colors you see in the rest of the game.

I still think this game is 10 times more fun to play now with the color animations. (as stupid as that sounds)

I bought the pin2dmd for around $210. I love it.

I have a 100% working original dmd I just pulled. If you decide you want it, $60 shipped.

I put a little piece of double-sided tape/foam on the left outlane to make tge ball kick anywhere but dead.

nice offer
thats better than my ramp, haha

I have a cliffy in place to hide it though.

For sale: Rocky and bulwinkle board. Untested. $39 shipped

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