That is true and TH does seem more like a throw back layout.

One of them is mine. I ordered directly from JJP early on the morning of Day1. I have the 40th game off the line with playfield #40 and it is Gold Smaug #825. I am just a regular pinhead and not a "new money distributor".

And this is why I'm happy to purchase from JJP, thanks for doing it right guys!

mmmmm smells like troll... in fact, most people who 'jumped the line' w woz bought games from folks who put money down early. Why do people assume only end-users bought in early? Distributors and resellers did as well so they'd have games to mark up and sell...

Standards were built and sold to keep the cash flowing to finish up the preordered greenies.
I just wanted to see how many thumbs downs I would get from the fanbois for simply stating the facts.
The JJP Kool Aid is potent in all of the JJP threads that is why I usually read and laugh but don't post.
I have had people PM me asking how to fix the light boards and I would tell them I don't have any idea but send a pic of them to Jack and see what he can do.

I'm not sure why anyone would want to "see how many down votes I would get" but if that is what you seek I wish you luck. 'Seems a bit odd though.

You missed the "from the fanbois for simply stating the facts" part or intentionally left it off of your quote.
Thanks for helping me prove my point though.

Of course you do, anytime anybody injects a little reality into a JJP thread that person is automatically called a troll, that is a given.

What Tracelifter says is accurate. People had been waiting for years for their preordered games and new buyers were receiving their games first.

There were lots of posts on Pinside about it at the time.

Hopefully with the new cash injection at JJP we won't see the same thing again.

rd

The same local distro that I got 3 woz from in the beginning is bragging that he will have 5 hobbits this week.

I was going to mention you in my post, as I remembered you had bought some and "jumped the queue" so to speak.

I remember others doing it too.

rd

pre-order and ramp shenanigans aside, i think the game is pretty damn production ready. it needs LOTS of code improvement, but if woz is any barometer that shouldn't be an issue. in keefer we trust?

signed,
not a fanboy

Yep!
Only buying this pin because of KEFs LOTR, TSPP and WOZ. Even if it's the weakest of the 4 it will still be amazing.
Blind trust in him

I'm pleasantly surprised at the latest WOZ code. It really polished up the gameplay. If TH is going to be the same, it should turn out really well. I hope JJP give Keith the time to do this.

HOBBIT RAMP ISSUES AN EASY FIX!

Lets keep this thread about the 'RAMP ISSUES ONLY' or it dilutes from the problem that needs to get sorted, the points I will raise are only made from briefly looking at the photos shown and my observation of the issues that could arise and possible ways JJp could resolve them.
hopefully they have not made too many already as it is an easy fix to add to the existing design, but would need new bases cutout.

- All 4 ramp lead edges are exposed without sufficient reflect protection including the 2 next to the newton ball, with the strike of the ball hitting these edges over a period of time this could cause vibration damage not only to the edges but the rest of the connected parts, the walls next to the newton ball maybe an issue to fix due to other local part constraints but they will need some sort of protection.

-The ramp base with the letter cutouts should have tabs on sides bent up at 90' to the ramp walls, the walls would then sit in the internal bend and could be 'seam welded at the base' as it has been done already, the tab would take the majority of side way hit force from the welded joint, the tabs could be the same height as the ramp walls as they wouldn't be visible, I would put 6 tabs evenly spaced on each ramp on both sides, the tabs could be spot welded to the wall side middle for extra strength but this could cause an aesthetic issue as it discolors the stainless and could look patchy. they could also be riveted in brass/gold rivets to add an extra design feature but at the top of the wall to prevent any contact with the ball.

I have not looked into any other possible weak points of the hobbit if you have any areas u would like me to look into detail let me know.

Every JJP claim is years old, why does this one bug you?

And back to the RAMP ISSUE!

I can't find it in this thread but didn't Lloyd post a picture of a bunch on Hobbit in the line waiting for the ramp fix? He said 40 minutes per game, no big deal and finishing will continue.

YES SIR, pretty forceful for just joining this morning yet making two posts in this thread.

Here, post #148 in this thread. So what else is there to discuss until installed?

40 minutes a game to remove them. Already done. I don't know how long to put the new ones in. My opinion - I suspect a two week burp in rolling out the door, with new and improved ramps.

LTG : )

Thanks for the the replacement update LTG hopefully the new ones are designed to withstand the test of time, and with regards to the ramp edges without any protection how and when will that be resolved?

Smells like a certain x-members activity style to me. Stay tuned.

Kaneda sighting???

Doubt it. Not from the content of the post, games or style.

Of course JJP has to be very aware of the impact of further delays on TH; I'm pleased that despite this pressure they did the right thing by pulling the ramps and going for the re-work on them. Good decision folks.

I gave up waiting for the pin and finally watched Hobbit3.

Look at the rest of the game where the ball comes in contact with anything and write up a detailed analysis of all the issues that may arise.
And start a new thread so your write up won't dilute this thread.

Hey....

What happened to my amigo Tracelifter?

Says deactivated

His last post says it was moderated a day ago.

So maybe he didn't like not being able to crap in JJP threads ?

In fairness, NewLine and MGM were contractually obligated to release the film prior to the pinball machine.

Ohhhhhh....
I musta missed that.
I'm just used to most people crappin everywhere

Two words: "Chicago Sunroof"

Not the first time :

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/what-happened-to-tracelifter#post-2432942

Holy guacamole,
I read thru that thread & there's like tons of people who posted in it that are gone.
Like: Frozen, deactivated, etc...

Wow, was wondering where some of those folks vanished to

This is the only site I frequent where I try pretty hard not to get into conversations and just stick to information exchange. It's not for lack of spunk but the corrosiveness gets old fast. I tried to wrap my head around it but I'm an asshole and this is my hobby so feigning surprise when I meet other assholes isn't going to fix anything.

LOL. "First troll didn't work, let's see how this one plays out."

We're all assholes!

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