Scgore another member for the fang club!
I have to say I am super excited to be a part of this forum and group! Since I was young, I always wanted a solid state machine. One of my first memories of pinball was playing Adam's Family at the local video store and hitting a multiball. Before my chopping spree started, I researched all of the most underrated pins so I could pick something up that would be fun at a reasonable price. TFTC popped up which began my journey.This is my first pin and I have to say its been an adventure so far.
I picked up my TFTC in September 2016 from another pinsider in Canada, which came from another pinsider before that. From my research this pin was literally brought back the dead and has seen some stuff in its day.
I wanted to take some super professional photos but never got around to it. So - alas I decided to snap a few last night so showcase "the process" and the disorganized chaos that I am kind of enjoying right now =)
The good:
-has Chad's rom
-no batteries
-great powder coating, unique style
-I love the game and I am super impressed. Now I have to convince the wife to get a second machine ( she said if I sell my motorcycle I can get another one )
-no major issues/problems
-tonnes of fun to play:
-clear coated play field (not sure if this is common)
-fun project, guests love the machine!
The not so good:
-the vertical up kicker on the back right scoop/hole has some problem sensing that the ball is there. Probably about 50% of the time. I need to play with the switch a bit but the work around is a little wiggle of the machine and it kicks it up almost every time.
-the pop bumpers seem a little weak and don't fire as often as I think they should.
-one or two LED's are no longer working.
-The double sided tape on the cliffy seemed to have loosened causing it to stick up. (see pic). I didn't think much of at the time. It caused the shots to be a bit more difficult but didn't notice too much. I ordered a new Cliffy from Cliff himself. I have to say he was awesome to communicate with and a great member on this community. I have been prepping the playfield for that, the crypt hole seems to have undergone some type of repair (See pic) If you are still reading, any ideas what was used on it?
-With the original cliffy, I believe the balls hitting the lip, the balls have quite a few nicks and scratches.
-After about a month using the machine, when the lights were on I started to notice some scratches/lines in the playfield. This is when I started the whole effort to disassemble the playfield and start some novus work. I quickly realized that the scratch problem was pretty bad after wiping with novus 1 seemed to reveal more scratches. (See pics). I have been hand polishing with various amounts of novus 2 and 3 with little results. The magic eraser and ISP alcohol took a good number on the scratches but I feel like it is too abrasive. I have read up a lot on this and I have since purchased a drill polishing kit and I plan to polish the heck out of it with Novus 2. I snapped some photos of the fine scratches. These are not normal scratches right? I have only had the machine for 2 months. Although I think its had a lot of plays (I'll check the diagnostics once its back together). I am pretty confident I can get the playfield to an acceptable level and then follow up with a good waxing.
If you have any opinions or recommendation on what you have seen, I would be happy to get some advice from some veterans. Also if you have any extra TFTC parts/accessories you are willing to ship to Canada for the right price, let me know

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Added over 7 years ago: Just wanted to provide a quick update on some of the fixes:

-Fixed right super vuk with silicon lube as the plastic ball holder was sticking.
-Cleaned pop bumper switch with business card and alcohol. Work better now but could use new ones
-The area under the cliffy isn't level so the new cliffy I got is doing the same thing. Took it off and I'm using vinyl adhesive and gorilla tape to protect.
-Playfield Scratches resolves with buying a drill buffer and buffing with Novus 2, followed by Meguiars Scratch X 2.0. 2 coats of Wax

Machine plays great now!

Thanks for the detail, I haven't adventured to the very back of the underside of the playfield yet. If you want to get the PFto stand up as high as it will go, what angle should I expect it to be in relation to the box/guide rails? Should the PF stand up almost 90 degrees near the back of the PF, or is it more of a 110 angle with the back closer to the front?

Hey everyone, so I have been having the no pay'm no game reset error for the last couple of days. I tried the basic stuff in the past threads (re seating and straightening the ribbon cables, reseating other plugs). But its still happening.
What are the next steps to troubleshoot/test this further?
Also (see pics)
- Soundboard -should the w6 jumper/connected be hooked up? I noticed it wasnt connected and I dont see any solder. What is your machine like
-same question for w5 (see pic)
-on the main board, between two chips it looks like there was some type of burn. Can you help me with that? Any idea what that is.
Also, I am a complete noob when it comes to this stuff but I'm learning as i go
Finally... PSA - don't leave your pin unattended with nosey cats. I left the coin door open for literally 30 seconds and I had an unexpected visitor!
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Added over 7 years ago: NO pay'm no game reset error was resolved by re-seating all of the power cables on the power supply board. I ordered new cables but haven't had the need to replace them.

The proper wiring for the game is jumpers 1-4-7.

The picture of the fried board is likely a not-so-great trace repair. It's not affecting the game as far as I can tell.

Lol, sevenrights.. I agree! so on occasion good powerful shots to the middle spinner will hop out before sinking under and over into the right orbit. Pretty frustrating when you are going for the multiball or extra ball. I was thinking about covering the area with clear plastic or something . Any one have similar thoughts? Also.. just general mods to smooth out gameplay. I added a bunch of layers of electrical tape on top of my tombstone because the ball would get stuck on top of it when it's down.

Mods like that.

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Haha - this only started happening after 2 coats of wax! Good suggestion with the foam. Thanks!

I didn't know this. I will try that. Thanks again.

One of my guillotine targets snapped last week so I will be trying some thicker foam on the back of that. I also lubed the spinners with silicone and they are working insanely good.

I'm not sure if I have seen that. There are times when your shot ins't fully aligned and it will rattle through, slow down, and come back out. I will take a close look when that happens. But that still happens after the lube.

The spinners were just slow and I never could complete Frightmare. As soon as I was finished lube, it takes 1-2 full orbits or 2-3 spinner shots.

Do it, you wont regret it. With about 1500 plays ive only seen Psycho pops complete probably 5 times TOPS. Cleaning the contacts with a business card helped a little but my next steps were to likely replace them with williams bumpers as they are more lively IIRC

Do you have a part #/ link? Was it a quick swap?

http://www.marcospecialties.com/pinball-parts/C-921

Can anyone send me scan/images/gifs of the drop target decals? I want to make my own stickers. I pm'd Crash just now but I'm antsy and I want to make this a project tonight . TIA

Crash got back to me too!Prototype looks good ! Thanks!

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Do you guys keep any secondary scores?

Here is a couple that the wife and I keep on the whiteboard:

-Highest werewolf score
-Lowest 1 ball score (267k)
-Lowest 3 ball score
-Highest guillotine target score
-Most door prize levels, etc.

I'll snap a pic tonight!

Here's the scoreboard we keep to track a few things. Its a little outdated. I hit CJ on the weekend for a cool 744 Mil. Awesome experience although I might have to turn the game up because I couldn't hear the music with the multiball going. Great game. Now I just need to play the organ!

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Great mods Robert, I like the cabinet decals on the inside. A lot of cool small touches with the leds too!

I'm coming for that high score seven

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4.0. Yup you should!

Couple of things I noted with my high score progression since I owned my pin:

-Couldn't have got this score if I didn't use silicone lube on the spinners, the spinners just rip and its the only realistic way to complete frightmare and get a good CJ
-I took the cliffy off as it was stopping shots, right now I have some vinyl adhesive with some gorilla tape to protect the hole (i know) but the ball actually drops in like it should rather than rolling around the outkicker. Also when the ball comes down from the bumpers sometimes hitting the little edge would send the ball right down the middle.
-tweaked the tombstone sensitivity as good hits weren't registering - sometimes it still doesn't register but that can cost you mega points
-As you noted seven the multiplier bonus, mystery doors and generally max bonus (one killion) on targets really stacks on your longer plays/balls
-Every single high score I got was with 2 axtra (captive ball and extra creature feature)

In all honesty getting anything higher is very unlikely as I had luck on my side on this run.

Dave, I am in the same spot, need to take some real time to add some of that liquid wood to fix the current damage.

On your question about the score/status check, I believe you can hold down the right flipper button and get the scores/status while you are waiting to launch the ball, no?

Hello kiddies! I need some help.

The shooter lane gate was getting stuck open and balls were dropping back into the lane.
I lubed the lane gate and now it seems too loose and the ball is getting stuck on the gate. Any advice? Maybe less lube to find the sweet spot?

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I don't think so come to think of it. Thank you for the suggestion

Thanks, I'm am out of town his weekend but I'll take a look and make some suggestions and get back to you boys and ghouls

Thanks for the suggestions GRB1959 and luvthatapex2 ! I checked the levelling and it was good. The gate was sitting pretty far back so I bent it forward and no more ball stuck!!

Finally Installed color dmd LCD last night. The colours really pop. My photos suck but I wanted to upload a few anyways.

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Hey guys I wanted to ask what flipper coils you have in your machine. I have 090-5032 /22-1080 coils for all 3 and they are too strong. While I can rip spinners the ball bashes around a lot and it's wrecking my playfield and powder coat. I don't really want to use the soft coil setting because it will reduce power on other coils? I'm open to suggestions though.

Thanks sonic. I'll pick up that coil. The main problem with the lower flippers is that when the ball strikes the drop targets it absolutely flies off and hits stuff. Sometimes the drops don't even go down. Any tips?

I'll have to check again this eve but I'm pretty sure its default.

What is going on with the plunger? Targets not getting back up? is the link worn?

Does it happen when there's lots of stuff going on? Does it happen when you hit both flippers. Make sure all power cables/connectors are snug. I have seen something similar and it was because the board was not getting enough power. Best way to test is get a multimeter and test the power output to the dmd board. you will have to get your hands dirty. I think it should be getting 12v but I could be wrong. If you don't know how to use a multimeter, you should start because its very useful.

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Congrats dude, TFTC is a very underrated game, the more machines you play, the more you will find that out. PM me if you are looking for any specific parts to save you from going out of country for them.

congrats.. that is a monster score!

It mainly comes down to hitting your shots consistently:
-Left Ramp is a must.
-Creature Feature scoop is a must.

Other tips:

-You should lock extra ball and crypt kicker as soon as possible
-For each multiball you should at least be able to get your first jackpot. Every time you get a multiball you should be shooting for the captive ball to get your 5 hits for axtra. After that don't bother
-Trap the ball in your right flipper, shoot the scoop shot to activate your creature features.
-Re-light the creature feature by shooting orbit. You can backhand the left orbit with the left flipper, this will also help you complete some modes.
-When the ball goes into the right return lane, you usually go into "chopping mode" the creature feature scoop should light temporarily. On many modes you can STACK features by doing this. It helps to have your game waxed.

Rinse and repeat the above points.

Don't go for 8x bonus. IMO its a risky shot.

All my high scores I had 2 axtra balls.

Also:
There are risky creature features that you should ignore completing them. Keeper Targets and guillotine targets. Skull cracking is a little risky but its worth going for your axtra.

Wooops wrong thread

Can you explain the tombstone issue more? Also the other issues aren’t specifically TFTC related so you have more luck posting on a generic tech sub forum. Also, welcome to the club dude!

Also.. hey crew, could someone snap some photos of their drop target mechs? I disassembled mine and put it back together but I think I did it wrong. A few angles of the mech with close ups would be awesome!

Added over 6 years ago: Edit: Figured it out... take pictures people!

It sounds like a lot of issues for a first pin and unfortunately multiple issues don't help a beginner diagnose and resolve them easily.

Sounds like some voltage/power issues and possibly some messed up wiring.

To your question about the bridge rectifiers, definitely yes, start with the cheapest resolutions/fixes first then go on to the more expensive stuff. Depending on how hacked up the board is you might have luck picking up a rotten dog or xpin power board.

let me know if you need any photos of anything.

I would also buy one

Hey fright fans... lately I’ve been playing some higher quality pins.. (don’t get me wrong tales is awesome but it has its design flaws) and I noticed pins like mmr, simpsons op, Spider-Man, all have a way to control the ball as it comes down from the right orbit.

Simpsons does this to help control the ball to setup the upper flipper shot, same with spider man. Mmr does the same with a one way mini wire form. Anyways.. so I noticed on my tftc when the ball comes down from the orbit on the right or out of the upkicker into the right orbit, the ball comes off the side rail and makes it difficult for your upper flipper shot..

Luckily the previous owner of my Tspp Pinball party set me up with some spare plastics.. I put one on my tales and it fixed the problem.

Is this a problem for anyone else?

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What about when it comes from the upkicker into the right orbit? Most of my problem is when the ball is coming back down from the right orbit.

It might be the leveling/rails/clear coat causing problems just for me.. I also noticed my orbit switch is quite stiff.

Thanks GRB, Might be the wire form on the vuk.. good suggestion

I think hes talking about the left oulane light. or do you guys mean creature feature?

I'll have to check tonight but I'm pretty sure its lit right away. I was having some weird light issues and it turned out one of my lamp diodes was touching too close to the lamp socket and causing some phantom lighting. Also if you reset to factory settings recently it may have changed a setting that you didn't know about.

Nice, not sure if people have been repairing their scoop hole first. I found my cliffy got bent really quick without a proper repair.

Finally got around to repairing it with wood filler and some sanding/ painting.

I actually did a ghetto mod to my cliffy to reduce the chances of it interfering with the ball travel.

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On Thursday I got to the 7th door. I have probably 1000 or more games but still no luck completing it. In the audits there’s a count for “deepest doors” that being said, anyone know how far they go?

Did you PM MiamiRedSkin ? He was selling one previously.

Why are you looking for one?

Yes you are correct with your statement. Go with the LED if you want an easy drop in replacement and aren't very handy.

If you are handy then yes you have to trim some of the plastic on the speaker/dmd panel. I used a dremel with a cutting wheel.

As far as I know you cannot get a modified panel.

moar pics!

When I got my game it originally had a tonne of purple LED’s and they looked sweet. However it was hard to get the same depth of colour depending on the brand. Since then I did a whole replace with comet and I picked up some of their purple passion LED’s. They look awesome and pics don’t do it justice. My the game had purple on the CRYPT letters which also looks sharp but I wanted to stick to colour matching as much as I could (aside from a few exceptions)

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congrats Chris. Welcome to the club! We got a good following from Alberta now!

Of course! first tip is msg Jakers and pick up the airball protector for the drop targets. Its a game changer.

ImNotNorm Yup Sean is a great guy that’s awesome that he sent all that stuff!

There’s a switch behind the tombstone plate. Test it in switch test. Adjust switch as necessary. Sand down the switch contact a bit. Check wiring to said switch. Good luck!!!

First off, I love this club! We have a great community here and seeing all of the mods and discussion is great.

Sometimes I like to think about ways to make the code better. Here are a couple of suggestions.. who knows, maybe if we get a good list we can ask Chad to do another update if we get a good list

-Monster Jackpot should be easier to attain: suggestions: require less hits to reach jackpot. Have coding so that the tombstone lowers after a certain amount of time. If the player is not hitting any switches during the multiball mode, the timer would stop. So the player either has the option to keep the balls alive by playing conservatively, or they can bash the tombstone as before.
- Better Mode stacking during multiball: The timer on the different modes should either be paused or more time should be added after a player hits multi-ball. The current problem is that when you hit multiball with modes going, the multiball animation eats up about 10 seconds of time while nothing else is happening.
-Changes to video mode: has anyone got deepest doors? Furthest I've had is 6. There is an audit that tracks "deepest doors" and mine is currently at 0... Is there a way this could be made easier? I love that its random but if we assume deepest doors is 7 correct guesses, the odds of getting that are 1/2187 (if my math is correct). Maybe some functionality where you could "cheat" to skip doors but there's a risk to lose points or end the game.
-Improved doorbell functionality: Instead of only being able to lock 1 mode as it randomly cycles, you have the opportunity to select which mode you want to lock. Similar to the multiplier selector on stern star wars. It could be too overpowering, but could also provide some better strategy elements in the game.
-Improve certain modes:
Robbing the Crypt: hitting the left spinner could increase your time countdown (this mode is quite hard IMO)
Playing the Organ: Make this easier? I think currently it only saves your progress for each ball, Once you drain, your progress resets. Perhaps it could save your progress towards the mode.

Thoughts? Yay? Nay? Maybe some of your own suggestions for updates?

Nice pickup! No payem usually means you need to add a credit to play, if it repeats over and over it could be a few things. I’ll check the fuses on my game tomorrow morning if no one else can. It is normal to have some not used cables. I’ll get some photos as well.

Ok tic here we go.. all your loose connectors look fine. Don’t plug them in.. mine are loomed up either in the coin door or similar areas with yours.

Fuses for my shaker motor board
F1: 2.5 amp.. looks like a fast blow edit; some guys online say you don’t need this fuse
F2: 2.5 amp slow blow
F3: 2.5 amp slow blow

I didn’t even know they made 2.5 amp fuses..

Also get the code update.

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Sorry, missed a few posts, I’ll check the flipper board fuses and the credit add wiring shortly

Flipper boards look like 3amp. Coin add switches
Go to the main harness coming from the door.

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Nice job on your game Mike. You could cook eggs off those ramps in the sun!

Get the air ball protector on the drop targets. Jakers might still make one for you

Yup for the first Board. That’s a shaker board. The fuses are labelled f1,2,3 on it.

Yup, for the other board. I couldn’t check them all because the fuse holders look too weak to remove all the fuses and look but they look the same.

What did you use for fill? Funny enough I just installed mine. Had to immediately bend up the right side. It’s too low as it is. Gord did the same to his. Is there a way to get the right side metal machined a bit higher like the left?

Cool, glad you found a solution. The only other thing I recommend is clear coat. I actually use my wife's clear coat nail polish. Not sure how it would hold up but it definitely protects the paint.

Johnny, I would try to see if you can replicate this in test mode. Or alternatively try to find out if a different switch is triggering at the same time you use the flipper. Could be vibration causing a switch contact. IE In normal play, if the ball is in the shooter lane, and you manually press a switch that is not the drop targets, the ball will automatically launch.

Typically, resets are due to low voltage (should be 5v) going to the MPU/CPU board. Generally it means the capacitors or bridge rectifiers associated with the 5v line on the power board go south.

IMHO..

Easy way...you would want to pick up an xpin power supply board ($100?), swap that in and see if you still have issues.

Harder way... get a multi meter and monitor your 5v going to the CPU/MPU, if its dropping low or below 5 already then you would likely need to replace the components or go back to the easy way. Worse case is you could have some sort of a short which would lead to more troubleshooting but my guess is the power board is going.

Yea.. I actually have an Xpin as a hot spare.. as soon as my original board even sniffs some issues, its coming right out and I am not looking back.

That’s the one.. Not sure about the Gi..if you can find out the connector #s, and take a look yours.. if they are browned and burnt then do it. Depending how long you expect to have the game then might be a good pickup if they aren’t too much more.

Edit.. I don’t think you need one and it looks like you would have to do some intermediate level wiring/soldering

Are you sure you are "installing" the adjustment? IE is it showing "off" when you go back into the adjustment menu after rebooting or leaving the menu?

Just making sure you're covering all the bases.

Yea, I was playing a few days ago and chips of qwik wood were flying around every few shots on the scoop. I still like the mantis better than the cliffy though.

In your case for sure keep the mantis until you do the swap.

How high is the ball getting up? Try bending the deflector to give the ball a better angle to the trough.

Post 3008, and yea 2.5

I went lcd, I use high res mode. I liked the Tales from the crypt keeper cartoon when I was a kid so it gives the game a more cartoonish look. The modding is not simple and involves dremelimg/cutting out plastic on your speaker panel. If I had to do it again I would just drop in Led.

Done right pinsound would be sweet. It's just a lot of effort and the board is hella expensive. I'll redo the TFTC sounds one day. Goldeneye would be first though. I do agree that the metal takes away for the original appeal.

You could check the resistance (ohms) of the coil. Make sure its within spec. I doubt the transistor is pooched but you could do a visual inspection on the mosfet/transistor that is associated with that coil. You could also check the coil stop and sleeve to make sure they don't have excess wear or dirt.

I actually ended up putting stern slim titan on the captive ball and right ramp. helps a bit!

welcome, Right ramp starts the frenzy. The way i understand it is that you have to keep hitting the left ramp and go through all the frenzies in one ball. So 4 shots, which unlocks living dead, 4(5?) shots, then chainsaw. However, I don't think you actually have to start the modes to keep progressing to organ. I for one have never got this mode. The game should save your progress towards organ each ball. Playing the organ is way too hard to get IMO

Not the best photo but my game is heavily powdered lol

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There’s pics from a similar product in this thread. Just get one Irish, you won’t regret it. Makes the gameplay way better and way more protection.

Chris, if you order another one I’ll split you on the shipping!

Merry cryptsmas and a happy noose year

Mine is the same as mymalibu

By no means am i an electrician but from my basic understanding the higher ratings are not needed. When I say not needed, I mean it doesn't hurt for higher rating for your BRs. You should be good with it either way. Mine looked the same. See post below.. you should be good as the manual says BR1 and BR2 for those two backbox ones.

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/royal-rumble-bridge-rectifier-values

Does the coil mech move freely on its own when you push it with your finger? Also I'm assuming the solder job on the coil is solid and there are no frayed wires? The only similar thing I have noticed in another game was a disconnected wire further down the chain from one of the lugs. Track the next closest coil on the colored wire and inspect for continuity/good connection. Otherwise make sure coil and mech is installed properly on the scoop assembly. Good luck!

Had a monster game last night, 4 jackpots, 1 double. Hit crypt jam and halfway through another loop. 3 axtra! My best is just over a bil.

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Nice! Monster is crazy hard to get! Big points too

the Scoop shot is tough with a cliffy but repeatable. With the mantis one you can get it pretty consistent from the right flipper. Let’s say 60% or so. I’d say half the shots are from the right flip and half the upper flipper. Make sure your game is nice and level!

Nice work! Regarding your ghosting issue, for me, there was a diode leg on the keeper targets that was touching the base of the bulb causing some ghosting. So maybe visually inspect your light socket diodes to make sure they aren't loose or too close to other components.

I hate the service pegs on data east. I got the mantis ones which were an upgrade but I much more preferred the slide rails on Simpson’s. I recently got some side art for tftc, and from a previous experience it’s easier to balance the play field with service rails like stern White star or Sam.

Long and short is I installed these SAM rails on my game today. So far so good, they seem slightly uneven so I might add a little furniture slider on one side. Already way better than the original

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When I was setting down the play-field the right side seemed like it carried more weight. Added some leftover ikea furniture pads on one side. Where the left leg sits on the lockdown bar. Its good now!
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I bought the SAM kit from pinball life. I am by no means handy and did it in around an hour.

I haven't installed it as I'll need help from my wife and the space between the play field and cabinet is very tight. Might need those plastic side protector things.

attached a photo of what they will look like

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I ordered a set of those from mezel a few weeks ago. They just shipped.. waiting for that before I install my art ImNotNorm I’d be willing to bet you don’t want to install art without the protectors, of all the games I’ve owned it’s got the least amount of space.

I was wondering when you would join the thread! Welcome hang mang.

2019 Code change suggestions:

Problem: Monster Jackpot is too hard
Suggestions: Require less hits to lower tombstone

Problem: Creature feature mode timing counts down during multiball animation.
Suggestion: The timer on the different modes should either be paused or more time should be added after a player hits multi-ball.

Problem: Door Prize mode is almost statistically unbeatable (1/2187 or worse).
Suggestion: Door odds should be made 2/3 instead of 1/3

Problem: Playing the Organ is too difficult to reach
Suggestion: The code would save progress towards Playing the Organ between balls.

Id recommend some passion purple for the keeper targets and a few other inserts. They look great. Comets all the way.

Chad, is there a way to add champion high scores for each mode? Loop champion, keeper targets, crypt jam, etc. Or are the chips too small memory wise.

Also cycling through attract mode advertisements with flipper buttons would be nice.

Install the mantis and buy another for your new playfield if need be. You won’t regret it.

It's too quiet in here hang meng! What is everyone's next project? I still haven't installed the side blade decals. Its ready to go but the game is tucked in the corner so I'm being a little lazy

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