I got that in my pocket. Hold on...right....here.... GLWS

You should easily get that price. There's one on Ebay Germany right now with bids over $30k.

Cool! I wonder how many NIB are left. I know a guy in Cincy who sold his recently to a collector in IL. Nice to see those unboxing pics after all those years in captivity.

I have a feeling lots of people will be selling these soon. Ed

I would have opened this the first week I had it.

Still loving it.

GLWS

I bet! I was so happy seeing your pics. I know you wanting one for about as long as I have been on Pinside.

How about a NIB Mustang, NIB WOZ standard with low numbered under 100, ACDC Luci just out if box for showroom and finally a CQ Spiderman with Backalley buildings, all LEDs, McKee topper low huo. If not Spiderman I can throw in another. WOZ or a Hobbit LE

wow... it's on sale

Hey, you have your pin listed under the wrong category on Ebay.

You have listed under Pinball>>replacement parts. It should be listed under Pinball>>machines

You should get much more visibility relisting under correct category. Good luck!

Must need cash . That would be one excellent trade .

i'll help you with your ebay stuff for a small 28k consulting fee

You're a few months too late with the sale with Rick hinting that he's going to remake BBB.

Collectors don't care about remakes… this is the real deal not some cheesy remake.

was wondering where you were

I'm everywhere… here to save the day as usual.

i suppose the hit on the price of used MMs is merely a coincidence, huh?

I've seen price hits on all titles… wake up!

yes, and a certain subset (hint: likely remake candidates) hit particularly hard, with MM leading the pack by a mile.

The only real hit to MM is on the routed ones… there are no routed BBB's… wake up!

it doesn't matter anyway, the remakes are one-and-done, right teekee?

keep it down, some of us are trying to nap here

ONE AND DONE! wake up!

Can we please move the debate on remakes to another thread?
The OP is trying to sell his BBB.

Back on topic, Good luck with your sale.

Let me know if you are willing to offer a 24 month financing option with the game stored with me while I pay it off! lol *wink*

Marcus

Got a chuckle from the pictures. Eleven pics of a box and a pic of the flyer.

Don't have a heart attack when I say this, but you could open one flap to reveal the contents of the box and all the pin glory contained inside.

these kinds of threads always make me wonder how much it costs to print up a cardboard box and some shrink wrap...

Dont open the box no matter what, let the new buyer do that. Buy today's newspaper and take a picture of the box with the paper laying on top of it showing the date.

John P. Dayhuff
Battle Creek, Mi.
269-979-3836

I beg to differ. There is a BBB on location at Flipper's Arcade in Grandy, NC. $.50/play too.
http://flippersarcade.com/contact.html

Umm, you know this one is, in fact, a remake, right? He states that it was made by PMI/IPB and is one of the 190 run by them. Hence, remake.

The originals were made by Capcom.

Not saying it isn't valuable, just not a true original.

Just clarifying.

possible to exchange with a Spiderman NIB always in a climate controlled at 20° ?. same year manufactured

Capcom made no production BBB's. They made 14 proto BBB's before going under. Gene simply did what Capcom was planning on doing and put BBB's into production. 14 protos and 191 production BBB's. No remakes.

Williams made several proto MM's and then they produced over 4000 production MM's based from the protos... PPS is now remaking MM without the logos, without the 'Williams' name, different boardset, etc., etc., etc.,

Big difference here.

I knew Jim Morrison faked his death! He just went underground to collect pinball machines

Those "production" models you speak of were made 11 YEARS after Capcom's prototypes by a completely different company. They are not originals.

I see NO difference between the PMI/IPB BBB's status as "continuation models"(as I'll call them), versus that of PPS's MM "continuation models" when it comes to collectibility and originality. Neither are part of the original factory's original run of the original machine.

That's a fact.

He's right Teekee. The BBBs from Gene are remakes. Gene had to get some parts made from scratch.

Semantics can be whatever each person wants them to be. IPB's BBB is a 99% matching original run of Capcom's prototype game and used all original Capcom boards. Besides redesigned ramp arrows and a few other improvements, they're essentially the same BOM. MM remake is a significantly different redesign that uses a completely different boardset, different lamp and GI systems, and LCD display over plasma. Both are produced under license from original manufacturer.

Originals? So which one is the original BBB? All of the Capcom BBB protos had differences from one another so which one is the original one???

No, he's wrong… the fact that Gene had to have a few minor parts made from scratch means nothing. Capcom probably would have done the same thing since protos and production units differ and minor changes and improvements are usually made.

Now, PLEASE let the OP sell his BBB… GLWS!

But at least Capcom's BBB's were made by Capcom.

If prototypes don't count as originals/production models, why did other companies like B/W sell them to be routed? Why are they prized more heavily than standard production models? I'll concede and call all the original BBB's prototypes and not production models, but you have to concede and call all of the BBB's made by Gene as remakes. Because that's what they are.

And not to belabor the point, but Rick making new boards and pieces for his MMR is no different than Gene making new pieces from scratch for BBB. Both people are having to make parts because the original company that made those parts is no longer involved in manufacturing for that industry.

If Capcom remade the 190 BBBs then they would be original. Gene and his friends built them several years late so they are remakes. The 190 BBBs have always been considered remakes from day one. Why should that change now?
It's not a negative thing its just a way to separate the originals (prototypes) from the remakes (Genes game). Two versions of the same game built by two totally different companies.

Gene was even calling them his BBB remakes when they were being built in his pole barn.

Lol, look what you just said… "If Capcom REMADE the 190 BBB's they would be original." So I guess what you're saying is even though they are REMADE they are still ORIGINAL… ok By your example the only REAL original is the prototype. So I guess Williams remade MM even before PPS.

The fact is If Williams decided to make more MM's today instead of PPS having the new board set, etc. they would be considered remakes as well. It doesn't matter if they are remade by the original company or some other company they are still remakes because they were already in and out of production.

Capcom only built a few BBB prototypes. Protos don't go to market. Protos are not finished products, they are examples of what the finished product might look like. Prototypes don't get remade they either go into production or they don't. The fact that IPB put BBB into production does not make them remakes. They are still Capcom BBB's. There is nothing to indicate otherwise. It doesn't say IPB BBB anywhere on the machine It says Capcom with Capcom parts virtually identical to the proto in every way.

What PPS is doing today is definitely a remake. You definitely can't compare what happened with BBB to what's happening with MM today… not even close. PPS is more like MAME and what it did with video game market.

Definitely not the first thing Gene said that wasn't true...

Remake or not...why the $@&$ does it matter? How many weeks has this argument gone on? Answer: since the day MMr was announced. Nobody cared before that, why care now?