We can thank Mitt Romney's dad for AMC and the predecessor Company Nash-Kelvinator.

I drive the Model 3 we have as a pool car at my job (dual motor) every few weeks. While it has insane acceleration, I have no issue going back to my Audi.

I have also had two incidents where the electronics completely shut down (But engine kept running and both pedals worked properly) for 20-30 seconds. Then the display slowly rebooted and the climate control came back to life. Both times were during the day. Not sure how the exterior lighting would have reacted if it would have happened at night.

It does not work well for long trips. Recently, a co-worker became stranded for six hours as the vehicle led him to a Supercharger that was still under construction and he did not have enough power to get to the next or back to the prior one. He had to use the 115v cord at a fire station for those six hours.

Yes.

Well. you heard it now. Again, it happened to a co-worker. A Millennial who is quite tech-savvy and open to new stuff like electric vehicles. He was not at all pleased.

As for the rebooting, has it ever happened to you? If so, was it at night? I'm curious as I want to know if the headlights stay on or do they die like the climate control, audio system and display? I was told by our fleet manager to "not worry about it" when I reported it. We have no service center nearby but at least one has opened only sixty miles away in Toledo now. Before it had to be taken to Cleveland.

It's not scary tech to me. However, their vehicles do not meet my personal transportation needs at this time. Remember, I sell stuff to Tesla so it's in my best interests that they succeed.

I've done OK with gasoline powered cars. I've put on over a million miles on personal cars since I started driving. Not to mention company fleet as well as rental car miles. I was stranded once by a rental that would not restart at a gas station. Ironically, not buying fuel, I just left the Madison airport and stopped to load up on junk food near Stoughton, Wisconsin. I called the rental office and they brought a replacement car to me within an hour.

I ran out of gas twice in my life. Both when I was under 18 years old so it was the old footmobile to a gas station to buy a can and a gallon of gas. Learned a valuable lesson there. .

I've limped cars home when problems occurred and never once had to arrange alternate transportation.

As far as updates go, I buy new vehicles when I want a real update. Tesla may start to worry that those "included" updates may affect their bottom line if it stops Tesla purists from buying their new vehicles. Or, maybe they can "pull an Apple" and send an update that makes the current vehicle seem antiquated or something along those lines.

When you mention: "and we calculated they save us around $6300 in gas yearly." Who is "we"? My wife and I spend less than half that amount on gas per year. Heck, she just paid $2.229 for gas today. When my kids lived at home and later were attending college, they may have spent a grand a year apiece so maybe $5k total on gasoline. Are you deducting electricity costs or is it all free?

I'm in the market for another vehicle, but not in a super hurry. I looked at a Model 3 but it doesn't work for me. Maybe in 10-15 years.

What is Soylent Green?

In the late 1970's Arizona Public Service Company (Now parent Pinnacle West Capital Corporation) claimed that by 1990, 20% of their power would come from Solar systems. They abandoned that (ironically) by 1984.

I'm amazed that the Far East manufacturers don't seem to be doing much with total electric vehicles. They are cashing in on Ford & GM's passenger car abandonment plans.

Saw a Mustang Mach-E parked in a grocery store lot yesterday.

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That's the full power kill switch. Just in case something unforeseen happens during the test phase this vehicle is obviously participating in.

Reread my post below. While driving on I-275 near Detroit near a major junction of three freeways, the electronics completely shut down, except for the "engines" and brakes. I was about to use my turn signal as I needed to get over two lanes to enter a different highway in a mile (1.62Km). No turn signals. In an instant, the display went dark. Music shut off, climate control shut down. I could not safely operate the vehicle to exit to where I needed to go. I did not know this was a reboot when it happened the first time.

Those 20-30 seconds before the display just started to show the Tesla logo seemed like forever on a crowded highway that was still moving at 60-70 MPH (100-115KPH). This is why I asked if the headlights will stay on or not as I would not want to be driving at night in that situation.

When my "old school" ICE car has a major failure, I usually get an idiot light or more. I kinda like it when the dash board looks like a pinball machine where both the Specials and Extra Ball lights come on along with other feature lights lighting up. At least I know the car is somewhat alive. I was not about to pull the driver card out of my pocket and hold it by the console to attempt to "restart" the car. At least when it happened again a couple weeks later, I just kept my cool. I believe if this happens to more than a few vehicles in somewhat of a pattern, there could be a service campaign or worse to correct this.

I had no idea that the turn signals were working and I needed to change lanes in heavy, but still moving fast Detroit style traffic. Since I did not know the turn signal was working, I stayed in my lane and went a couple of miles out of my way and turned around. By that time the computer rebooted and the car was normal again.

When the display went blank on me a few weeks later, I was just driving straight minding my own business so it rebooted and I drove on without a problem.

If I thought it was unsafe, I wouldn't have got in it again as I could have taken a loaded Silverado or a nice F-250 or Charger SRT or one of a few other pool cars. I take the Model 3 when I can as it has unbelievable acceleration.

I worked for the Company that developed and built the Saturn V. And the Space Shuttle. And the B-1 Bomber.

I love those monthly pension checks from there.

Rest in Peace Sam Iacobellis.....

Happy Thanksgiving from Elon.......

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Sam Kinison said it best: CBS stands for: Coc---cking Bastard Sonsabit--es.....

Easy for me. I'm moving to the desert Southwest soon.

Had a Lordstown Motors pickup burn to a crisp around here a month and a half ago. Article just published aboot it:

https://www.freep.com/story/money/cars/2021/02/24/all-electric-pickup-battery-fire-michigan-prototype-test/4544909001/

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Here's the text and a few more pics:

All-electric pickup catches fire in Michigan — and experts warn it could happen again
Jamie L. LaReau
Detroit Free Press

In the early morning hours of Jan. 13, one of the first all-electric pickups to hit Michigan roads was engulfed in an inferno.

The flames reached high enough to lick the branches of overhead trees along the four-lane highway's median on eastbound 12 Mile, just east of Haggerty Road, in Farmington Hills.

The vehicle's driver, an engineer for electric truck maker Lordstown Motors, and two of his colleagues escaped unharmed from the Endurance pickup prototype they'd been testing, according to a fire report obtained by the Free Press. No other vehicles or people were involved.

On Jan. 13, this prototype "mule" of the Lordstown Motors Endurance pickup caught fire along 12 Mile Road in Farmington Hills just minutes into a test drive.
Lordstown Motors, headquartered in northeast Ohio, has unraveled this mysterious midnight fire and spoke to the Free Press about the cause and the fix.

“We’re confident" this won't happen again, said Ryan Hallett, spokesman for Lordstown Motors. "It was human error."

But EV experts warn it could happen again to Lordstown Motors or to any of the automakers for five EV pickups headed to market in the next 15 months, an unnerving prediction considering there have been several EV recalls over the past few months for fire risk.

To be clear, EVs are by and large safe, experts say. But startups such as Lordstown Motors, Rivian and even Tesla could face a bigger challenge than the legacy carmakers because the newer companies lack the decades of engineering safety experience, experts say.

“If they get to the point where they are putting out production vehicles that have the same problem, they will not exist,” said Sam Jaffe, managing director at Cairn Era, an electric battery consulting firm in Boulder, Colorado. “A car company does not have a cushion to exist if they have an unsafe vehicle. They have to solve it. They don’t have a choice.”

Mechanical issues, melted hood
Lordstown Motors started building its first beta prototypes of the Endurance in its plant in Ohio on Monday, after the January fire that destroyed an earlier prototype known as a "mule." The beta vehicles will be crash tested ahead of the 3,000 production models that Lordstown Motors plans to put on U.S. roads by year-end.

The vehicle that burned in metro Detroit was hand-built. It's called a "mule" because it's an early prototype that uses a donor body with Endurance components inside it to test those components. Lordstown Motors' Hallett said there was "human error" in hand-building the mule that led to this fire but he declined to elaborate.

Engineers took the mule out for a test drive on public roads a little after midnight on Jan. 13. By 12:29 a.m., Farmington Hills police and firefighters were sent to 12 Mile near Copper Creek Lane, where the vehicle was engulfed in flames, the grass around it was aflame and tree branches burned above it, the report said.

The charred interior remains of a massive vehicle fire on Jan. 13. This prototype "mule" of the Lordstown Motors Endurance pickup caught fire along 12 Mile Road in Farmington Hills just minutes into a test drive.
"The vehicle was electric and magnesium was noted from water reaction below the rear seats in the passenger compartment," the report stated. "Hood was completely melted upon arrival and doors were open."

The wind chill that night made it feel like 22 degrees as the three Lordstown Motors engineers stood nearby. They told fire officials they had been test driving the vehicle when it began to have mechanical issues. The driver pulled to the side of the road, "he then noticed the vehicle was on fire," the report said.

On Jan. 13, this prototype "mule" of the Lordstown Motors Endurance pickup caught fire along 12 Mile Road in Farmington Hills just minutes into a test drive.
The engineers had made it only a mile-and-a-third from Lordstown Motors Research and Development Center in Farmington Hills, where they work alongside some 130 others.

'It's an emerging technology'
Firefighters cleared the scene by 1:45 a.m., said Jason Baloga, fire marshal for the Farmington Hills Fire Department. He wasn't at the fire scene, but he reviewed the report. In an interview with the Free Press, he said the vehicle was so ravaged that he could not speculate what caused it, adding, “with a complete burn it would take significant laboratory analysis as to what caused it.”

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The fire department did perform a “cursory inspection” of the Lordstown Motors’ facility in Farmington Hills the day after the fire to ensure it met the city’s safety standards, which it did, Baloga said.

Whatever the cause, the origin of the fire was in the "engine area, running gear, wheel area," said Jason Olszewski, deputy chief for City of Farmington Hills Fire Department, in an email to the Free Press.

The fire department released the vehicle to Lordstown Motors, "as to not spoliate any evidence and afford the owner the opportunity to examine the vehicle," Olszewski wrote. Also, giving the vehicle back to the company protects the automaker's proprietary information, Baloga said.

Baloga said firefighters have been training and preparing to fight fires involving lithium ion batteries used in EVs for some time now.

“I am not necessarily concerned (about EV fire risk) as long as there’s appropriate regulation,” Baloga said. “It is a hazard that we’re aware of and try to prepare for. It’s an emerging technology that we have to gain more information on the storage of lithium Ion batteries and code developments around EVs.”

Human error
Lordstown Motors CEO Steve Burns chalks up the fire's cause to human error in the hand-building of the mule prototype, he said through his spokesman Hallett. Hallett did not provide how many mules engineers hand-built at the Farmington Hills research center, but he said typically it's not many.

The charred interior of a prototype "mule" of the Lordstown Motors Endurance pickup that caught fire along 12 Mile Road in Farmington Hills on Jan. 13 just minutes into a test drive.
"There was an error in the building process that caused something to lead to that fire," Hallett said. "It wasn’t like the battery exploded, but something went wrong in the hand-build process that led to what caused the fire to start and we’re not going to comment beyond that."

Once Lordstown Motors started building the beta prototypes on Monday, everything is automated and automation helps to correct human error, Hallett said.

"We made sure the error wasn’t replicated so it wouldn’t happen again," Hallett said. "We’ve entered the phase where humans are removed from it."

Flaws happen
There are a variety of ways that human error could cause an electric pickup to burst into flames, said Sam Abuelsamid, principal analyst for E-Mobility at Guidehouse Insights in Detroit.

"Someone either mishandled one or more battery cells and caused it to have an internal short or when they were welding the terminals on the cells, something went wrong," Abuelsamid said.

Every battery cell has a positive and negative terminal just like the regular batteries that you pop in your flashlight. But there are several hundred cells and engineers connect them in a sequence to get the power level needed to propel the car. They weld those terminals to the wiring that connects everything together, Abuelsamid said.

Sam Abuelsamid, principal analyst for E-Mobility at Guidehouse Insights in Detroit.
“What most likely happened here, when they were welding the terminals of the cells in the battery pack, there was a process error that caused some contamination in the cells that led to a short circuit and that caused the fire in this case," Abuelsamid speculated, adding, "This wouldn’t be the first time recently that something like this happened."

In October 2020, Ford Motor Co. recalled 20,500 Kuga plug-in electric vehicles in Europe and suspended their sale over concerns with the high voltage battery possibly causing fires in certain cases.

Similarly, BMW recalled 26,900 plug-in electric hybrid vehicles globally in October over concerns that the batteries could cause a fire. In both cases, Abuelsamid said, the cell supplier welded the cells in a way that caused aluminum and copper debris to form inside the cell. When that happens, in rare cases, the debris can cause a short circuit which sparks a fire, he said.

Ford and BMW instituted new testing processes to ensure battery safety, Abuelsamid said.

But, "I can almost guarantee you it will happen again. Things go wrong all the time, that’s the nature of building stuff," Abuelsamid said. "That gasoline in your car now, that can burn too."

An electric car fire is harder to extinguish than a gasoline fire, he said, because the way the battery is engineered, the elements in it continue to produce oxygen to feed the fire.

On Jan. 13, this prototype "mule" of the Lordstown Motors Endurance pickup caught fire along 12 Mile Road in Farmington Hills just minutes into a test drive.
"It doesn’t matter what your energy source is — gasoline, diesel or electric — there are always ways that things can go wrong, which is why you have to take great care in your manufacturing process to find flaws," Abuelsamid said. "Flaws will happen, but are you detecting those flaws before they leave the plant?”

A lot more work to do
Jaffe said the legacy automakers have an advantage over startups — years of experience working with the dangerous high-voltage batteries that go into EVs. He listed three ways an EV fire can happen:

The batteries go into thermal runaway, which is when a battery gets hot if it’s being pushed too much and starts a meltdown. Most automakers have figured out how to engineer batteries to mitigate this risk.
A mistake with physical wiring occurs that causes a short circuit that leads to a fire.
Flawed battery controls. The computer that controls how the battery works is highly sophisticated and in a prototype that is still being developed, it could go awry and cause a fire.
The auto industry has been fairly successful at making safe EVs considering there are few fires, but there will always be risk — as with a gasoline engine — because the batteries contain flammable materials, Jaffe said.

“But when you’re working with prototypes, you’re still figuring it out and it shouldn’t be that surprising that a mule would catch on fire especially from a company that doesn’t have decades of experience on how to make these things safe,” said Jaffe. "It’s hard engineering.”

While automakers do have to take the prototypes on the public roads for testing at some point, "that's a bad sign if it catches fire," Jaffe said, noting Lordstown Motors has "a lot more work to do."

"It’s very hard for any automotive startup to establish the record of safety engineering that the incumbents have," Jaffe said. "Everything is based on safety. You have to solve safety first or you won’t have a company."

Building betas
Numerous EVs are headed to market.

General Motors will launch the 2022 GMC Hummer at the end of this year. The Edition 1 trim is priced at $112,595. Ford will build an electric light-duty pickup and launch it in 2022. Tesla's Cybertruck, which starts at $39,900, is expected to start production later this year. Rivian's R1T Launch edition, starting at $75,000, will come out this summer.

More:The truck wars heat up with these 5 new electric pickups coming

Lordstown Motors' Endurance, which is targeted for commercial use and starts at $52,500 before a $7,500 federal tax rebate, will be ready by year-end and it will be safe, Hallett promised.

"To Steve (Burn)’s point, automation helps eliminate human error," Hallett said. "That inherently eliminates a lot of the risks and safety issues. But the beta prototypes are for testing, so if something does go wrong, we’ve caught it two iterations before the production vehicle.”

Beta prototypes for the Endurance will all have identical bodies and matching components versus the mules, which have donor bodies and mismatched components still being tested. Lordstown Motors will test 50 to 60 betas across the country, including a few in Detroit starting at the end of March, Hallett said.

Jaffe hasn’t been to Lordstown Motors’ plant to study the automation there, but he said, "They have to take (Tesla CEO) Elon Musk’s words seriously when he says, 'Making a prototype is easy, making a production vehicle is a thousand times harder.’ Automation, doing it right, is as hard of a problem as someone welding a battery pack by hand.”

On Jan. 13, this prototype "mule" of the Lordstown Motors Endurance pickup caught fire along 12 Mile Road in Farmington Hills just minutes into a test drive.
On Monday, Lordstown Motors built its first beta prototype at the assembly plant in Ohio that once made GM's Chevy Cruze compact cars before GM idled the plant in spring 2019 and later sold it to Lordstown Motors.

Adjacent to the plant, GM has started to hire workers at Ultium Cells LLC, a battery assembly plant it's building there as part of its joint venture with LG Chem. GM will start battery cell production this spring, but it has not identified which EVs will initially get the battery cells made there.

But it won't be Lordstown Motors. Last month, Lordstown said it signed a long-term battery-cell supply agreement with LG Chem's wholly owned subsidiary LG Energy Solution. Hallett said it also has a multiyear agreement with Samsung for battery cells. Lordstown Motors will build the battery packs in-house for the Endurance.

EV battery problems
According to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA), electric vehicle fires "in the field" are rare.

But the agency, "continues to monitor field data to better understand the relative fire risk of electric-powered and internal combustion engine vehicles," said NHTSA spokeswoman Lucia Sanchez in an email. "NHTSA recently announced a battery safety initiative that includes research, regulatory, and enforcement actions to help advance the safety of electric powered vehicles."

Lordstown Motors is registered as a manufacturer with NHTSA, but the agency does not require it to report incidents regarding prototype vehicles.

EV fire risks have affected GM and Hyundai Motor Co. too. Both have issued massive recalls of certain EVs due to batteries made by LG Chem posing risks of fire.

In a dispute between LG Chem and SK Innovation, SK Innovation asked the U.S. International Trade Commission (ITC) to consider that “LG Chem batteries have been involved in a series of fires and explosions, raising substantial public interest concerns," Reuters reported in December.

GM uses LG Chem batteries in the Chevrolet Bolt EV. In November, GM recalled all 2017-19 model year Bolts because they may pose a fire risk. It involves 68,667 vehicles globally; 50,925 of which are in the United States. LG Chem also supplies batteries to Tesla and Hyundai.

More:GM recalls 68,600 Chevy Bolts for fire risk, warns do not park it in a garage

More:GM reveals 2022 Bolt EUV, 2022 Bolt EV: How they're different

There were five Bolts that caught fire without impact and GM said all had high voltage batteries produced at LG Chem’s Ochang, South Korea, facility. Similarly, in October, Hyundai recalled nearly 77,000 Kona EVs globally citing possible defects in battery cells supplies by LG Chem as increasing the risk of fire.

Build the safest vehicle
Lordstown Motors employs about 220 workers in Ohio with another 500 contract workers there, Hallett said. But by year-end, it plans to employ 1,000 to 1,500 as it starts production of the Endurance. It also has 23 workers at its service center in Irvine, California.

The automaker has 100,000 preorders for the pickup, which will be sold to commercial fleets, Hallett said. The plan is to build 3,000 Endurances this year and ramp up production to make 20,000 next year.

Lordstown will unveil an electric van in June and start production of that in the second half of of next year. Hallett said engineers are confident that the battery cells its suppliers provide will be safe.

"The reason we have multiple multiyear supplier agreements — is if there’s a problem we have a second supply stream," Hallett said. "This vehicle needs to be safe and needs to be reliable so if we put 3,000 pickups on the road and it’s not safe that’s not good. Our priority will always be to build the safest vehicle.”

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Gas is up another 25¢/gallon in the Detroit suburbs today. $2.79 for Regular Unleaded at a "discount" station.

Note how Rivian is not bragging how "another gigapress tool has been delivered to terrafactory ZYX"? GM has invested more in tooling yearly than what Tesla has for the past ten years combined.

What is their hourly rate in the Chicago and Boise areas? Is there any service or mileage charge to drive out to you?

I guess I'll wait for paynemic to respond. But everyone should ask as the warranty does not last forever.

You can't accept the fact that GM was doing extensive research on EV's before Elon was even born, can you? The public display at the General Motors Building was titled "Into the 21st Century". I was quite young but remember seeing the electric car images along with them portrayed in "Boring Company-esque" one lane tunnels and that they could be driverless. This was in 1969.

Also note that the Trillion dollar valuation on Tesla would get wiped down by a significant percentage if the large holders started bailing.

And even Rivian is getting the word out to low-lifes like MrBally.

Disclosure, I've driven a performance Model 3 for a few days that a former employer had as a pool car. Fast acceleration for sure. Poor quality and a very cheap feel. A lower end Audi priced the same feels much more solid and refined. Same with a Y.

Disclosure, I hopped on the TSLA stock bandwagon awhile ago making several trades that paid for my cross-country move and bought some toys. Nice to see it hit a grand today.
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Hard to prevent not at fault accidents. Just saw a pretty white Model Y with the ass-end smashed in driving on the LV Strip. Reminded me of the Detroiter specials. In Michigan, a "no-fault State, the vehicle owner's insurance pays for the repair. More expensive vehicles have higher premiums.

That's what I tell my customers.....

Spotted this Tesla pickup truck by Giga Nevada this past Sunday. Ironically, getting gasoline at the Golden Gate Petroleum station on USA Parkway & Electric Avenue.

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Let's see, 275,000,000 ICE vehicles and 5,000,000 Electric and Hybrid vehicles registered in the USA. Of course there are more ICE vehicle fires.
There are more flat tires on ICE vehicles.
There are more thefts involving ICE vehicles too.

Oh the Humanity!

Even someone with limited knowledge like me is quite aware of this. I posted a pic of a Ford Transit service van over 3 1/2 years ago by my home near Detroit. It had Ohio plates since there were no Tesla service facilities in Michigan at the time.

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/who-is-in-on-tesla-model-3/page/32#post-4510494

Time to recalculate with more realistic KWh figures, not the 12 cents number.

Where are most Teslas registered? California....

KWh
Los Angeles: 24 cents/KWh
San Diego: 31 cents/KWh
San Francisco: 25.9 cents/KWh

For reference:
Detroit: 17.8 cents/KWh
Chicago: 14.6 cents/KWh
Detroit: 17.8 cents/KWh
Las Vegas: 12.2 cents/KWh
(Another reason I moved here)

I'm not shocked at all. Not many realize how much cryogenic tank trailers cost.

What a great deal for your daughter. She should be fine, but like most deals, that will come to and end when the university feels it is leaving money on the table.

Will do, once all 2021 figures are available.

Jeep's Hybrid Electic/Gas 4x4 Wrangler

I wondered when they would add EV charging. Are the adding them to the 144 gasoline pumps or taking some gas/diesel pumps out? One location in Georgia seemed land-locked.

Looks like only one Tesla waiting with all ten of the superchargers occupied. This was in Primm, Nevada (I-15 at the California border).

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Just an FYI, Electric rates vary wildly across the USA. San Diego charges $0.27 to $0.31 as an example.
$0.121 in Detroit
$0.177 in Las Vegas
$0.143 in New York City.

Even Gasoline doesn't vary this much across the land.

Agreed. $3.50-$3.99 variance in Las Vegas for Regular. Paid $4.49 for premium at Sinclair just now while Joy riding with my son.
Photo from late August '21, at Primm, Nevada, Mile Marker zero on I-15.

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He you go bob_eApril 14, 2020. Sam's Club, Utica, MI.

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Yes, he mentioned it above in post #793. 22 miles as he lives a bit away from the downtown area.

Real Americans buy what they want....

General Motors or Ford pioneered those features; app-based remote start and climate control operation. Also remote lock & unlock all when cell coverage is available. Tesla may have licensed them from GM. Ford as well or vice-versa. Maybe in exchange for fuel credits or something. I'm sure the Musketeers will research and report back if I'm wrong.

The shipping companies only allow 0.6 gallon of fuel in ICE vehicles.

I have an Audi e-tron on order for Mrs.Bally so I'm not against EV's, only Teslas because of their asshole CEO/"Technoking". Plus Tesla stock fueled by fanboi enthusiasm helped me get the new e-tron.

I have verified that it has not yet been built.

You can tell that to my wife, it's what she wants. She evaluated several vehicles and chose it. She laughed at the Tesla offerings. Remember, I was able to use a M3 and a X for a few days as my former employer had them for vehicle testing.
She liked the Mach-e looks and drivabilty, but not the chintzy interior. Plus, we have owned over a dozen VW/Audi vehicles. They have been very reliable, maintenance costs are reasonable, and they don't look antiquated every three years. Their dealer/service network is awesome. Both where we used to live and where we are now.

She also liked this one (GT RS) but said it wasn't practical for her. Maybe I'll buy one if I have to let go of my antiquated, soon to be obsolete, ICE vehicles...

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East Penn Manufacturing Company, Lyon Station, PA.

The Musketeers will soon point out that only "4680 cells" will be used on the superior cyber truck.

Elon drove it. He likes it!

Too little, too late.....
Tesla's market value contunues to suffer.

Sure they will. Just like Model X and Model S.
And when will we see volume production? How aboot the $40,000 version that a majority of the "pre-orders" are for.

Where are Tesla's Research Laboratories?
Where is their Proving Grounds? Surely it can't be on the public roads, can it? No info in their form 10-K....

Word of the week: giga-opoly.
The US government hate monopolies. It may not be too long before Tesla enterprises gets broken up.....

Elon's fanbois think that rules don't apply to them. They are sadly mistaken.

As the EPA ratings indicated on window stickers in the '80's: Actual mileage may vary, your mileage will probably be less.....

Per elon: Telsa Cybertruck will be released in 2021 with a starting price of $39,900

The Musketeers have scripts ready to explain all of this.

Was that the original Aztec or the "facelift" for the few model years? Or, did you mean the sister vehicle; the *Beautiful* Buick Rendezvous?

Lets see it against a 911 on a mile run, or on any size oval. No need to burden it with a trailer either.

How about comparing the 1/4 mile against a 911 with the CT $40,000.00 version, oops, I mean the $60,990 [Est. whatever that means] version?

Remember, the $60k (Est. Whatever that means) version has a further delayed i troduction of "2025"....

Now proven false as it was a 1/8 mile run. Instant torque wins in the beginning, here, 660'. Rerun the marketing gimmick at 1320'.

Besides, would you really want a Tesla instead of a Porsche?

https://insideevs.com/news/699260/tesla-cybertruck-porsche-race/

You can't beat Smiles per Gallon!

Since it was a Tesla supplied video, I wouldn't put it past them to alter the FPS as it's easy with digital recordings.

I mean the Musketeers were aplauding the video like walrures being tossed a bucket of herrings.

Has anyone tried to get their hundred buck reservation money back?
A friend with a reservation for a Gen 2, Founder's edition Roadster for several years got sick of no updates. He said he's done waiting. He asked for his $250k payment back that they have had all this time. He was told he will receive the funds in 80 [eighty] weeks.

Does that sound like a good COmpaNy?

I think you have some wires crossed. What are you talking aboot regarding the CT towing a trailer with a Porsche on it purporting to do a 0-60 run?

It's never a Tesla drivers or the vehicles fault.

At the time, you had to pay for it in full, up front. This was offered to him as he bought an early Model S.

At John Delorean's funeral service in Royal Oak, Michigan, there were aboot thirty Delorean DM-1's. There were a handfull of black and red ones, which looked awesome. Also a lot of Pontiac GTO's.

All musketeers will gleefully insist they would never want to be seen in a Corvette, or any antiquated, soon to be obsolete ICE vehicle.
Once they blurt it out, elon, kimbal, maye or tosca will throw them a couple of herrings.

Musketeers will say that way more ICE dealers and service centers burn compared to Tesla delivery centers/showrooms and service centers.
The numbers: 17,835 non-Tesla Auto dealers and service locations in the US. 422 superior Tesla showrooms/delivery centers and service locations.
With those numbers, for every Tesla building that catches fire, 42 of the Antiquated, soon to be obsolete, ICE, Hybrid (also antiquated per the muketeers), and ICE/EV dealerships and service centers need to catch fire to be "equal".

Pretty cool that I was able to gain 3 miles of range on MsBally's etron as we approached Laughlin on the long downgrade.

Why not get the optional wrap?

Maybe they simply hold the title even if you pay for the vehicle in cash? I know If I buy a vehicle from a private seller, I want title in hand, I lay down the pile of cash, seller signs the title, I give them the cash, they hand me the title and keys.
If the title has a Lein, I do the transfer at the DMV office to verify the Lein has been settled.

As mentioned above by Richthoften, Tesla will "brick" the vehicle. Good luck fighting them.
I repaired some pins for a guy who collects Ford GT's. He sold this one a week before I went to his mancave. He said he had to wait the two years before he could sell it. Ford had some kind of conditional lein on the title. Not a financial lein, because, well, like in the movie Scent of a Woman, "this isn't an installment item".

You can see the pins in the background. King Kool is on the left.

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The musketeers are all over on x/twitter explaining everything per the script they were given. Examples follow.....

Stainless steel means it "stains less", but it still can stain. Just like kitchen sinks, mine is 27 years old and still no rust. Some CyberTrucks are showing rust in a "within spec" 11 days since delivery. Break out the Bar Keepers Friend and a sponge to easily clean. It's covered in the owners manual.
Also, an eleven year old Chinese-made fridge in the outdoor kitchen is still rust-free in Vegas. When it starts to rust, I'll have the Bon-Ami or Bar Keepers Friend and a scouring pad handy.

As for the glass issue on reveal day, well, er, umm, hmm.... Maybe the heavy ball he tossed at the glass had a porosity pocket on the surface causing a tiny burr to strike the glass fracturing it. Porosity pockets, just like the ones in select suspension component that cause them to crack like a pretzel.

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By network, do you mean parts distribution, Service centers, or charging or a combination?

A white wrapped one was in Plymouth, Michigan today. Texas registration..

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