Man, that's ugly. Wow, thought it was a joke.

??? Maybe take the tin foil hat off. I don't get why everyone has to make all of this political. I also don't get why the vast majority of electric cars have to be weird, or flat out ugly looking. I thought Tesla nailed it with the Model S and kinda with Model 3. Those look like normal, functional, attractive cars. How do you go from that to some flat panel, ugly pickup truck? Then there is the Mach E. How do you use the iconic Mustang name and not style it like one? Instead you get a bloated suv. Maybe someday I will be an electric but not if they continue to be the most boring or ridiculous looking cars on the road.

Car manufacturers make ugly cars because they don't want to sell cars? But when Tesla makes an ugly car it's because they are smart and forward thinking? Makes sense. And the reason people don't want to buy a Tesla is because they are too good of a car and nothing to do with price, features, needs, etc?

I guess electric car guys think completely different. An ugly car is an ugly car in my book. A 63 Corvette is a beautiful car. An 83 Corvette not so much. Which you think is more desirable today? Saying that electric car market is different thus electric cars must be designed awkwardly ugly is ridiculous. Perhaps there is a market for ugly trucks for people that don't buy trucks. Read something that there are already 200,000 deposits down for the truck so maybe I am wrong. Man, it's going to ruin my day to be stuck behind one in traffic and have to stare at it's storage shed ass.

It's ugly.

I'm the same age. Watched and loved the same shows. That doesn't change anything. Those cars were not built well, drove terrible, and did not age well.

Less? It's so amazingly ugly I cannot even understand. So ugly Tesla cannot even build them.

Yes but it's still happens. Any car fire is not good but when those batteries catch on fire it's a lot more not good.

10 years? Are you crazy? How often does the average person buy a brand new car? Most people cannot even afford a brand new car let alone an expensive luxury type of vehicle which is what most ev cars fall into. Commercial businesses are not going to just convert entire fleets of vehicles just like that. There is a reason why Tesla had that Ford F150 for a work truck that someone posted up above. Commercial businesses need reliable vehicles and any down time charging results in loss of revenue. Diesel trucks are popular because of the hauling power and longevity. They pretty much run forever. Then you get into infrastructure changes and cost to do so. You also have people that flat out do not want an ev vehicle. Ridiculous to think that all that is going to change in just a few years.

That does not change my point. EV vehicles already exceed ICE capabilities in many ways if not all. But that's all on paper. Reality is ev cars with good performance cost a lot of money. Right now a sensible Toyota Corolla is like $20000. Tesla Model 3 is more than twice that. It makes no sense to spend $25000 extra to save $80 a month on operating costs. Maybe for those bad at math. How much would a large commercial ev truck loaded with a mountain of batteries cost? How many businesses can afford to swap out their entire fleet of vehicles for more expensive alternatives, install charging infrastructures, and change their business plans to make it all work? It's no different than average household. If you have two Tesla's in your driveway, you probably live in a very nice house in a good neighborhood. Kids don't drive ev vehicles unless family is wealthy. A decent 10 year old Tesla is still well over $30000. A decent Corolla is of course less than half that. Maybe all that will change one day but things are not going to be radically different in just 10 years.

Correct. And commercial ev vehicles will cost a lot more than that. Point? The people that are going to buy ev are the ones buying them now - individuals. If a business invests millions into changing their fleet, that cost has to be worked into their business plan. That pretty much means they have to increase the price of their goods/services and risk being less competitive. If ev vehicles indeed lower operating costs, then the opposite will be true and more companies will do the same. But that's not what is happening. Government will force changes, subsidize costs, and everyone will be forced to pay more for just about everything. That's the only way it makes sense is when you get tax benefits, subsidies, free parking, or whatever. That's exactly what Chris said above. The only reason he bought ev Jeep thing was because of the thousands in subsidies. So now we are all going to help Amazon and other billion dollar corporations buy thousands of ev vehicles? And then continue forcing those changes so there is no longer a choice to individuals? That's not how things should work imo.

How is it fantasy to talk about costs? Horse and buggy? Oil subsidies? What are you on about? It costs money to replace one family vehicle or an entire fleet of commercial vehicles whether it's ev or ice. Yes? Some cars cost more than other cars. Don't think you can argue that. More expensive cars generally are nice but not everyone can afford them. Businesses price their goods/services on cost of doing business. Think everyone gets that. EV cars need charging solutions and that also costs money. A business with 200 ev cars will need ways to charge them. Yes? Same for people that park in the street or live in apartments. It costs money to install chargers up and down every street and in every parking spot. But whatever. Guess I will go out and buy a Tesla then. Thought it was expensive and cannot afford it but that's just fantasy talk.

I think some of the blowback comes fron your statements that everyone will be driving ev vehicles soon. Right now the only way I am buying ev anytime soon is by force and I can see that happening. That disturbs me. I believe in choice. If ev works for you, great. But that may not work for everyone. What about people that live in apartments and do not have chargers? Even with a house you can have a lot of cars with whole family driving. Cars are often parked in the street where I live. Ev just doesn't work for some people.

Kinda, yeah. I did lot of driving past two days visiting colleges with my daughter. I didn't have to plan where to stop, monitor range, or anything like that. When fuel low light came on dash, I simply stopped at next convenient station, filled up in less than a minute, and was back on my way covering hundreds more miles. If we need restrooms, that only takes a few extra minutes. I know charging times are fast but they are not that fast. Nothing against ev cars but just saying.

Yup. Fuel costs do add up but the hefty premium you pay for ev does pay for a lot of gas. I never understood the concept of spending a lot of money to save a little money. If you are that concerned about costs, buy a very small, basic, cheap, reliable ice car. Drive it for 15+ years and then buy another. Why would you buy anything else? Answer of course is that we all want different things in cars and have different needs. Sometimes we just want something exciting that makes driving more enjoyable. My daily is a manual transmission. Automatic is far superior in every way but I rather have a manual since it's more fun to drive. There is no one size fits all with cars.

Does Tesla own and operate all the service centers? Thought they would be like all the other dealers that are privately owned and there are laws against manufacturers selling directly. Although, you would think there would be some kind of overall effort for better service since that can make or break the car owning experience. As long as people keep buying their cars it really doesn't matter in the end.

That is pretty awesome. Sounds like a sucky job, though. I imagine most people would schedule service at their work. Cars could be in a tight garage, out in the elements, out in the street, or who knows where.

I'm with you in spirit but I don't know if my eyes can take it. Tesla went so far past the so ugly it's cute/cool into the plaid of ugliness.

We did get some Holdens over here. Pontiac G8/GTO and Chevy SS. Problem is none of them sold all that well.

It seems like you either love it or hate it. I agree - worst design ever. I reserve final opinion until I see one in person but some of those camera angles like the 3/4 from the rear are just the worst. Wheels are the worst I have ever seen. Things like the windshield vertical windshield wiper obstructing your view is terrible. Everything I hear about this thing doesn't sound good at all. It's going to look even worse once you put some miles on those things where the plastics fade, a few dings in the flat sides, and the usual wear and tear.

Thought they were supposed to be cheaper than that. That's my biggest problem with ev cars. So expensive.

I was just going to post that. Very interesting. It's ugly but it can sure shift. Very impressed with the strong body structure.

Really hate the argument that because some other truck costs $100k then one at $80k is a great deal. Both are stupid expensive. Long range Model3 is still close to $50k. Any other decent ev seems to get well north of $50k. Cybertruck included. Ford F150 lightning was supposed to be cheap but also north of $50k. Short range and more basic ev's might be slightly cheaper but still expensive compared to other basic ice cars. Most ev's are luxury cars because they are already expensive to begin with.

Mostly range but it is largely what you get for the money. I don't see the point of having an ev with a range of 200 miles or less. People often compare ev vehicles to other high priced premium vehicles. That's fine for the luxury market but not everyone is in that market. Instead of being able to buy something like a Toyota Camry or Honda Accord for less than $30k you will have to spend $15k-$20k more to get an ev. Trucks have just got ridiculous so I guess Cybertruck perfect fit for that market.

Genius. You make people pay $6500 for color that you normally get included with cost of vehicle. You can then hit the customer up again when wrap starts weathering/peeling.

How does that compare to other ev's? It's a given than cold weather shortens the range. Mileage always varies with any car depending on conditions.

So what's the real world range of the cybertruck? Some are reporting far less than factory stated range but not sure if those are under less than ideal conditions.

They probably have some way out if life happens like the manufacturer buying back the car at cost and not inflated value. This sort of thing has been done before like MrBally noted. Ferrari has done it a lot as well.

I actually like the idea. Dealers should not charge over msrp and consumers should not buy just to flip. Keep it fair until manufacturing can have a chance to catch up with demand.