Quoted from pinballizfun:

No you don't spend less time waiting to charge your car, you spend 12 hours, I spend under 2 minutes. If I want to eat and fill my car I spend 2 minutes filling the car then go anywhere I want for food. Not walk a place close the the fill point and hope the food don't suck while I'm stuck at a place I probably don't want to eat at.

Quoted from Pinless:

If your gas tank was 3/4 full every morning you left the driveway, you would rarely have to stop at the gas station.
Same here. Charging is only done on long road trips. I can count on 2 hands how many times I have to “wait” on my car to charge throughout the year and I drive 30k/year.
Buc-ee’s will soon have Tesla superchargers. Anyone in Texas know you stay there for up to 30 minutes anyway. It will be a game changer.

Quoted from Pinless:

I spend 5 seconds out of my day to charge my car. I don’t have to stand there and babysit it. I don’t have to travel anywhere to do it either.
I actually spend less time waiting on my car to charge, than you spend pumping gas at the gas station.
It’s like having a magical full service gas station inside your garage that dispenses 93 octane for 35 cents/gallon slowly. Imagine waking up every morning with your fuel gauge on 3/4.

Quoted from bob_e:

Yes, you don't have to baby sit your car just WAIT OVERNIGHT
While my car sits for 4 minutes being refueled I can wash the windows and check the oil.
How much did you spend to get that Magical "gas station" installed in your garage? $1,000 $1,500 ???
And you may have spent 50% more on your EV vs ICE right?
I spend $.11 per mile for gas for my Terrian vs about .05 per mile on a EV based on DTE rates. (much more at public chargers on peak times)
the EV & charger costs $16,000 for .06/ savings per mile or 266,667 miles to break even.
oops I forgot oil changes & transmission fluid service add .01 per mile, now its 228,571 miles to break even.
and driving 9k miles a year thats 25 years (I'm 63 retired)
So tell me What EV is the equivalent to a 2021 GMC Terrian can carry 2 adults and a pinball machine with a range of 440 miles ???

Quoted from bob_e:

Yes, you don't have to baby sit your car just WAIT OVERNIGHT
While my car sits for 4 minutes being refueled I can wash the windows and check the oil.
How much did you spend to get that Magical "gas station" installed in your garage? $1,000 $1,500 ???
And you may have spent 50% more on your EV vs ICE right?
I spend $.11 per mile for gas for my Terrian vs about .05 per mile on a EV based on DTE rates. (much more at public chargers on peak times)
the EV & charger costs $16,000 for .06/ savings per mile or 266,667 miles to break even.
oops I forgot oil changes & transmission fluid service add .01 per mile, now its 228,571 miles to break even.
and driving 9k miles a year thats 25 years (I'm 63 retired)
So tell me What EV is the equivalent to a 2021 GMC Terrian can carry 2 adults and a pinball machine with a range of 440 miles ???

Quoted from paynemic:

I love the hilarious diesel powered generator charging station pic someone cobbled together to post on the internet.

Quoted from pins4u:

No - it's a REAL picture - do your homework. It is a charging station on the Nullabor Plains in Australia where they don't have (and probably NEVER will have) mains power.
EVs simply are not suitable for some places.

Quoted from pins4u:

Electric cars will prove to be the biggest con of this century (aside from deeproot of course).
They consume massive amounts of energy to build - particularly the aluminium ones and the battery recycle issue has not yet been addressed!
The power to charge them is still 50% coal, possibly more and the ones charging from solar panels create a whole new world of waste and non-recyclability.
Then you add the lunacy of the picture below into the mix - don't even bother trying to justify the 10X more pollution that diesel genset will spew out to charge this "green" shitbox!
Seems people are pretty easy to fool these days.[quoted image]

Quoted from EricHadley:

What is the life span of the batteries and how much is a full set of replacement batteries?

Quoted from pins4u:

No - it's a REAL picture - do your homework. It is a charging station on the Nullabor Plains in Australia where they don't have (and probably NEVER will have) mains power.
EVs simply are not suitable for some places.

Quoted from unclerudy:

I think what it comes down to right now is that people who drive EVs are usually pretty happy with them, and people who don't currently drive them don't want to. With the way that the infrastructure is currently set up, there is not a problem for the small percentage of EV drivers. However, if a large number of non EV drivers switch over to driving EVs, there are going to be some big issues that are going to need to be dealt with. Increase in the price of electricity, increase in the potential output, need for more raw materials to make batteries and electric motors, loss of tax revenue from gasoline sales and how to make up for it, and numerous other issues all need to be dealt with and solutions found.

Quoted from Darscot:

It's too bad the sun never shines in Australia.

Quoted from unclerudy:

I think what it comes down to right now is that people who drive EVs are usually pretty happy with them, and people who don't currently drive them don't want to. With the way that the infrastructure is currently set up, there is not a problem for the small percentage of EV drivers. However, if a large number of non EV drivers switch over to driving EVs, there are going to be some big issues that are going to need to be dealt with. Increase in the price of electricity, increase in the potential output, need for more raw materials to make batteries and electric motors, loss of tax revenue from gasoline sales and how to make up for it, and numerous other issues all need to be dealt with and solutions found.

Quoted from pins4u:

.....AND.....50 people all sitting around for hours waiting for their turn to charge OR even when charging.

Quoted from paynemic:

It’s too bad people don’t have electricity at their houses…

Quoted from unclerudy:

Some of them might not have houses

Quoted from paynemic:

It’s too bad people don’t have electricity at their houses…

Quoted from pins4u:

A great many people park in the street or live in apartments where parking is not a given.
YOU might have a large home to park where you wish and install a charge point - great - FOR YOU - not for all!

Quoted from paynemic:

Also, this is all I could find about that photo. Apparently it was an experimental setup and never meant for wide use. Classic misinformation used to argue a false point.

Quoted from pins4u:

.....AND.....50 people all sitting around for hours waiting for their turn to charge OR even when charging.

Quoted from EricHadley:

What is the life span of the batteries and how much is a full set of replacement batteries?

Quoted from Pinless:

Buc-ee’s will soon have Tesla superchargers. It will be a game changer.

Quoted from paynemic:

People can say, “I live in… and EVs will never work here” and I say neither will a submarine.

Quoted from MrBally:

Looks like only one Tesla waiting with all ten of the superchargers occupied. This was in Primm, Nevada (I-15 at the California border).
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Quoted from pinballizfun:

yeah, one waiting and there is still a very small user base. Expand that to 100% adoption.

Quoted from bob_e:

About $23,000 US dollars
https://nypost.com/2021/12/24/tesla-explodes-after-mechanics-charge-man-23k-for-new-battery/

Quoted from pinballizfun:

There's the issue. No one is trying to mandate every has to use a submarine. People *are* trying to mandate everyone uses an EV, and even you admit they don't work for everyone and never will.

Quoted from jeffro01:

Again, as I keep saying and people keep ignoring, THERE WERE NOT GAS STATIONS ON EVERY CORNER THE MOMENT THE FIRST MODEL T ROLLED OFF THE LINE. I feel like I have to scream that as some of you are so damn hung up on something that will completely work itself out and has little impact on current ownership. Anyone can grab a picture of a moment in time and say "see, it's just not going to work" while ignoring the other 20 hours in the day the place is empty. No one here has ever waited in line at a gas station? Really? Besides, the majority of people who own EVs charge at their home overnight while they're sleeping making supercharger stops unnecessary unless traveling. Again in 6 years of ownership I had to wait in line at a supercharger, in California where I used to live, ONCE. ONE TIME. It's just not a common occurrence for most and Tesla has spent a boat load expanding the supercharger network to continue to reduce the potential for wait.
Like I said before the only two real remaining issues for EVs are cost, and multi-unit dwelling charging availability. I can see apartment complexes putting in EV chargers at every assigned parking space for a fee but that still doesn't address street parking or garage parking (although you could do the same there as well even in huge parking garages), and other highly concentrated population use cases. But... Like I've also said before, the exact same issue occurred when we moved from horses to gasoline. They figured it out then, we'll figure it out now...
Jeff

Quoted from bob_e:

Yes, you don't have to baby sit your car just WAIT OVERNIGHT
While my car sits for 4 minutes being refueled I can wash the windows and check the oil.
How much did you spend to get that Magical "gas station" installed in your garage? $1,000 $1,500 ???
And you may have spent 50% more on your EV vs ICE right?
I spend $.11 per mile for gas for my Terrian vs about .05 per mile on a EV based on DTE rates. (much more at public chargers on peak times)
the EV & charger costs $16,000 for .06/ savings per mile or 266,667 miles to break even.
oops I forgot oil changes & transmission fluid service add .01 per mile, now its 228,571 miles to break even.
and driving 9k miles a year thats 25 years (I'm 63 retired)
So tell me What EV is the equivalent to a 2021 GMC Terrian can carry 2 adults and a pinball machine with a range of 440 miles ???

Quoted from jeffro01:

Again, as I keep saying and people keep ignoring, THERE WERE NOT GAS STATIONS ON EVERY CORNER THE MOMENT THE FIRST MODEL T ROLLED OFF THE LINE. I feel like I have to scream that as some of you are so damn hung up on something that will completely work itself out and has little impact on current ownership. Anyone can grab a picture of a moment in time and say "see, it's just not going to work" while ignoring the other 20 hours in the day the place is empty. No one here has ever waited in line at a gas station? Really? Besides, the majority of people who own EVs charge at their home overnight while they're sleeping making supercharger stops unnecessary unless traveling. Again in 6 years of ownership I had to wait in line at a supercharger, in California where I used to live, ONCE. ONE TIME. It's just not a common occurrence for most and Tesla has spent a boat load expanding the supercharger network to continue to reduce the potential for wait.
Like I said before the only two real remaining issues for EVs are cost, and multi-unit dwelling charging availability. I can see apartment complexes putting in EV chargers at every assigned parking space for a fee but that still doesn't address street parking or garage parking (although you could do the same there as well even in huge parking garages), and other highly concentrated population use cases. But... Like I've also said before, the exact same issue occurred when we moved from horses to gasoline. They figured it out then, we'll figure it out now...
Jeff

Quoted from pinballizfun:

There weren't cars at every house either. There is already an installed base of vehicles now. Forcing electric w/o the infrastructure is an issue. No one was forced to get a car rather than a horse back then, or even now.
No, I've never waited for gas. On the rare occasion a station is full I go across the street or to the next block. It's amazingly easy to find an available filling point.

Quoted from pinballizfun:There weren't cars at every house either. There is already an installed base of vehicles now. Forcing electric w/o the infrastructure is an issue. No one was forced to get a car rather than a horse back then, or even now.
No, I've never waited for gas. On the rare occasion a station is full I go across the street or to the next block. It's amazingly easy to find an available filling point.

Quoted from unclerudy:

I just bought 2 relatively new vehicles in the past year, and don't plan on looking at anything for at least another 7 to 8 years. I highly doubt that there will be an EV at that time that will interest me or my wife to directly replace what we currently have. So at least 15 years or so before I will consider looking at purchasing an EV. Things might change between now and my next vehicle purchase, but I highly doubt it. Working in the auto industry, I can see roughly 4 years ahead of time, and that's why I know my next set of vehicles will not be an EV.

Quoted from pinballizfun:

There weren't cars at every house either. There is already an installed base of vehicles now. Forcing electric w/o the infrastructure is an issue. No one was forced to get a car rather than a horse back then, or even now.
No, I've never waited for gas. On the rare occasion a station is full I go across the street or to the next block. It's amazingly easy to find an available filling point.

Quoted from unclerudy:

I just bought 2 relatively new vehicles in the past year, and don't plan on looking at anything for at least another 7 to 8 years. I highly doubt that there will be an EV at that time that will interest me or my wife to directly replace what we currently have. So at least 15 years or so before I will consider looking at purchasing an EV. Things might change between now and my next vehicle purchase, but I highly doubt it. Working in the auto industry, I can see roughly 4 years ahead of time, and that's why I know my next set of vehicles will not be an EV.

Quoted from underlord:

I am also in the industry. If infrastructure is built, gas engines are doomed quickly. Manufacturers are already building hybrids in ‘21-22. I’m a tech and if EV’s go dominant my paycheck is gone gone gone.

Quoted from paynemic:

The jobs lost side (of repairing gas engines) is a downside, but I think more American manufacturing (Tesla, rivian) will hopefully make up for the lost jobs. I love the minimal maintenance I’ve had with my teslas tho

Quoted from jeffro01:

That's one hell of a crystal ball you seem to have... Care if I ask it a couple of questions?
Jeff

Quoted from unclerudy:

I'm just saying that I own vehicles for a decent amount of time, and I see what is going into vehicles for 4 years from now, so something needs to get started in the next 4 years to hit my next cycle of buying a vehicle. Otherwise it will be maybe 15 years before I consider an EV.

Quoted from Pinless:

I’ve waited for gas in long lines before.
Gas stations before and after storm events are the last place you want to be.

Quoted from jeffro01:

No one is being forced to buy any car these days much less an EV. Not sure where you're getting that from but whatever. Even still, at some point in the future high current EV chargers will likely be just as ubiquitous. Actually it's more likely you see L2 stations at Walmart, Target, Costco, Grocery Stores, malls, shopping centers... In other words you'll be able to top off virtually anywhere you may go to run an errand. Seems to me to be far more efficient then specifically planning a dino fuel stop.
Jeff

Quoted from Darscot:

It's so weird the hate people have on EV, maybe its just the weirdness of the internet. This thread reminds me of the Ricky Gervais bit about those homemade signs with the little tabs with the phone number that says call for guitar lessons. Then calling the person just to shit on them that you don't like guitar and don't want any lessons. Clearly some of you do not want an EV and believe it is very difficult to access electricity. Why are you in the the Tesla Cyber Truck thread?

Quoted from Darscot:

It's so weird the hate people have on EV, maybe its just the weirdness of the internet. This thread reminds me of the Ricky Gervais bit about those homemade signs with the little tabs with the phone number that says call for guitar lessons. Then calling the person just to shit on them that you don't like guitar and don't want any lessons. Clearly some of you do not want an EV and believe it is very difficult to access electricity. Why are you in the the Tesla Cyber Truck thread?

Quoted from Crumbalimb:

You're not putting into the equation the small but meaningful help to our environment and trying to teach your grandkids how important, and how every little effort to help the world around us matters. I stop at a supercharger and grab a cup of coffee or catch up on emails and 20 minutes (max) goes fast. You have one valid point though, I can't fit a pinball in our model 3 :{ But I'm thinking ill be able to fit 2 in my cybertruck when it finally gets built in a year or two.

Quoted from bob_e:

I have no kids of my own and doubt that there will be any grand kids.
20 minutes so how many miles does that get you? In 5 minutes I go from 40 to 440.
A model 3 base price on what I paid for my Terrian. most sold for 45K or more.
Do you charge at home? how much did you spend on the equipment and installation?
Did you have to up grade you electrical panel? my step kids house would need a new panel and drop from the pole.
For the next 1-2 years will you not be buying pinballs or pay to have them delivered?
Somebody mentioned have to plan a dino fuel stop, while he could top of at a big box store. Well on my daily travels I pass at least 4 petrol stations. A few years ago I went from Milford MI to Beyond Duluth MN to see the Split Rock Light. There were no superchargers of any level in the Upper Peninsula. And a few along I-75 requiring planned lengthy stops. So your Model 3 would have been parked waiting for a portable generator.