Quoted from Thomas3184:
What does everyone do with old glass when you replace with hd glass?
Store in box hd glass game in. Save for if / when you sell game.
Quoted from delt31:
- pro is loaded.
I am really excited to play the pro and to me it has the best looking art package. I agree its most likely going to be a winner and have strong sales.
I struggle to agree that the pro is loaded.
We have a few ramps, a spinner, three flippers, color GI, two mono targets on the sides, and a spinning disc with a magnet.
Quoted from chuckwurt:
I just don’t try to act like I know what goes into a pinball machine production cost. It all adds up and I bet quicker than people think. I bet $10 here or there in production cost can swing a feature from being added or not.
And a $10 part is just the start. What’s the cost of software dev on it, service of the part, etc.
As stated above many past pros included this board in their bom. Writing two software routines to control the motor differently on pro vs. prem/le is more software dev work. Cutting the board out certainly does reduce a modicum of cost, but I am led to believe the driving factor on leaving it out was to create differentiation and drive pre/le sales. It worked on me. I’m in and didn’t go for the pro, even though it has the best art.
I guess “one way” you could “spin” it is, by leaving out the direct drive board it is one less component to fail. This potentially creates a more reliable game for operators. I think the struggle for some is the cost factor creating the differentiation in pro vs pre/le often appears extremely low. The delta in sales price is significant. Now profit isn’t a dirty word, but when the differences are a switch here, and a driver board there, and the rest is software it does feel bad.
Quoted from protocol_j:
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Congrats! Keep us updated on the travels of your LEs! I haven’t received word on mine just yet (sad face) but would be very interested in seeing how quick they are getting them from factory to door.
They are shipping the LEs fast. I would recon yours will be shipping very soon. Got word mine ships this week, and pros going on the line again next week. If that is accurate Stern is crushing it. Their manufacturing abilities are impressive.
Quoted from delt31:
yeah I'll save close to 3k+ and go pro vs LE and not even think twice. One of the clearest pro decisions in recent memory.
You have a lot of experience trading pins. What do you think the difference will be in six-nine months selling a nib tmnt pro, premium, or le? Does it matter which one you get if that delta is relatively the same?
Quoted from Potatoloco:
I just got my LE and will set it up tonight and test it out a bit.
I've played 30 or so games on the pro. Admittedly I've given up on that shot for the most part. It's really clunky imo. Rest of the shots are like butter. Everything else I'll hit 8 out of 10 times. But that LAIR shot, I'm probably legit working at a 2 out of 10 pace, with the ball going in and popping back out. Still not sure if it's a reflection of how the pin is set up or if that's just how it's going to be with the geometry of the pin or if I'm just randomly a terrible player with that shot.
try cradling two balls on the left flipper, and backflipping one of the balls into that shot, or late off the right flipper?
Quoted from V8haha:
Ok I’m a pro and LE owner here So i have a reason to try and hype myself up but I’m sorry... am i the only one who’s disappointed?
The game feels blah...
Nothing happens you see no changes or sense of completion after furthering deeper into the game.
I love turtles hands down winner theme but i feel like the game does nothing for me.
You get zero sense of completion or satisfaction the further you make it through the game. Nothing changes nothing appears. I hope the code can resolve some of these issues.
Not every game is for everyone, that's ok. If you aren't feeling it, now would be a good time to move one or both of them, they would sell quickly.
Quoted from calprog:
How is game selling? Does not seem to be a big hit on pinside. Nothing like Rick and Morty
when it was released. Just an observation. Game looks like it’s fun just not a theme for me.
Game seems to be selling quite well. Most people aren’t complaining about much, pretty positive vibes.
Stern has already sold through on 500 LEs and has probably sold even more pros. They are shipping them fast. Stern will have more Turtles in the wild by the end July than Spooky’s entire R&M run.
Quoted from PiperPinball:
Just got LE#27 setup. Some issues.
1. Diverter hitting the ramp. In fact, my diverter was complete loose and laying in the ramp. We reattached it and tightened the nut. If tightened and secure it will not hit the ramp anymore. There is about 8th of an inch from the ramp and the diverter.[quoted image][quoted image][quoted image][quoted image][quoted image]
How did you get the wrench in there?
Does anyone else feel that the start episode light is somewhat hard to see if it is lit on the LE? Glider blocks it from view.
You'll get it fixed, it helps to stay positive. I totally get how frustrating it can be, been there with every single NIB I have had. Each one gets easier. I have found Stern pretty good to work with if you are patient, kindly persistent, and reasonable. Don't let the anxiety of it not working in the short term get the best of you!
Quoted from Mrawesome44:
I think there is a difference between adjustments and opening a brand new game and its broken straight out of the box. For people who have seen my posts i have always been critical of Stern's quality control and I gave them a chance and received this mess. I ain't got nothing against people who buy NIB sterns. I just won't be playing the Stern NIB Lottery again or at least till the quality control goes up.
These issues can happen with every mfg. though, not just Stern.
JJP Pirates was a real treat out of box with the wires broken on the upper ship and having to take that ship out and solder wires back on. I did find JJP support to good to work with, and they did go the extra mile on a few things though it took some patience.
Had a buddy get an AFMr LE and the playfield was sitting in the cab somewhat warped and unlevel. After many weeks of go around with CGC, the fix they sent out was some blocks of wood and some clamps. The idea was to clamp the right side of the playfield down to the lockbar receiver hoping that it would eventually sit level. I found CGC support pretty amazing when you needed a simple fix or part, but in this more complicated and costly case the fix wasn't really adequate.
Audio on LE was okay for me after update. I got pass phase one on final battle no problem.
Quoted from delt31:
So what is the verdict on the lightning in this game and whether pinstadiums would be worth it? Not looking to get into the PS overvalue argument - just want to know if this game is on the darker or lighter side.
For reference I thought JP2 was way too dark and needed PS. I played TMNT but it was very very bright in the building so I couldn’t really tell how this game does in normal or little lighting.
Is there a lot of light show elements in it like R+M? didn’t appear so but again, couldn’t tell for sure.
Lighting is good on TMNT, much better than previous sterns. There are two circular hole cutouts in the apron with LEDs behind them that shine on to the playfield to illuminate it. Works pretty well.
Quoted from delt31:
Yes. You really need to spoon feed some pinsiders.
As for the apron lights - yes they look very good. Just curious if the PF itself (above the flippers is super spotty like IMDN, DP and JP or if you feel like you can see the art well. I even found GB to be lacking although that might just be me being crazy about seeing everything on that gorgeous pf.
Above the flippers, and middle of the playfield looks good. Its not Neo Fusion Hyperbeam® Plus+ Technology with BLUR™ photon merger bright, but you don't have any trouble seeing anything. Its not like DP or JP. Pinstadiums do really brighten up the game, but I don't think you need it on TMNT and its nice not having to deal with them when lifting the the playfield. I hope Stern does the apron LEDs on all new games.
jack the left legs up a few notches...
Quoted from TheCapn:
Upon doing a google search before posting my question - that is all I found. Was curious if there were anything else out there that maybe was better or if someone has swapped to this one and noticed a big difference.
Pin monk fans are great. One of the first things I’d install.
There’s also a store on pinside you can order them from, or http://www.pinmonk.com
Quoted from chuckwurt:
They make the playfields in house. All of them. Zero art or clear is applied. They send all the playfields out to a few different vendors who apply the art and clear.
What do you believe contributes to the variance in print quality? Do the vendors use different models of printers?
Quoted from ABE_FLIPS:
thanks for all your feedback, maybe this title is just not for me, but as I said i will keep it for now and give myself a little bit more time.
If you are already feeling this way, its probably not going to change. Nothing wrong with that. Its okay to sell and move on to a title you enjoy more. Great thing about the hobby is that its easy to do that.
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