So I've watched a fair amount of the streams and searched both this thread and the original "hype" thread.

What do the "Dimension X" targets do on the sides of the left ramp entry, and does the left ramp do something different once they're lit?

I hope so. When JD played it on DeadFlip, he got Borg’d a bunch and you could see him cursing the pinball gods.

1) Don’t know as I won’t play this game for another week or two. But you have a lot of things that you can trigger to start. I think modes are lit after both main ramps are hit? 1-2-3 Foot is from the inlane, and training is it’s own deal.
2) I think from the streams is that it’s triggered once per ball and only if a mode isn’t running?
3) Yeah that’s what I was fearing with getting Borg’d.

Yeah, TMNT 2's Konami music >>> First TMNT NES game.

Lol I don’t think so because that game is F’ing impossible.

While waiting for our Pro to arrive I ransacked my parents’ house and my basement for my childhood figures. Was able to find half in a bag but couldn’t find the collector case with the rest. You know I’m going to try to find a home under the glass for Slash, Casey, Metalhead, and Shredder. Also, not pictured is a mouser.
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Well that’s some out of context BS @charliew65. Maybe you can get a job at Yahoo.

Lol, is that really a game setting for Borg bounces??? He should just drop the rail between the two inlanes more to prevent the shit kicks.

Lol, yup. In a year or three from now, his collection will be 8 pins + 1 MAME.

Welcome @royaljack!

Finally entered the NIB club yesterday. Shout out to Trent @ Tilt Amusements who not only was great to work with, but he also sent my son a little goodie package since this NIB TMNT was a cheer-him-up purchase. That was really cool.

Some notes:

- Game was dialed in pretty well right out of the box. Right ramp to left orbit feeds upper flipper well. Rail to upper flipper is inline w/o gap. LAIR shot is of course impossible from the forehand, but the angled rail guide behind the LAIR target is bent and installed properly.
- I went over the PF and no pooling seen yet thankfully! However, like some other reports, I do question the PF art as it certainly seems grainy in some places... but compared to those with giant pools around the aprons and whatnot, I can't complain.
- First attempt at installing 1.11 today said it was successful, but on reboot, it showed the TMNT logo and then the blank DMD image like in Settings. Then it rebooted and did this over and over. I reinstalled on the other USB port and it worked fine.
- Had a few airballs to drain from the right wireform (center ramp) where the ball flew off the wireform, over the inlane guide and into the outlane drain. Anyone working on a mod for this like the left wireform?

Questions:

1) Does the TURTLE POWER insert stay on at all times, and only flash when MB is ready? Mine is acting this way.
2) Is the Technodrome plastic at the left tamp supposed to sit on the corner of the Van to act as a funnel preventing a ball trap? The plastic seems to be bending because of the Van right where you can see "-35" on the Technodrome plastic in the picture below
3) Is there a way as Donatello to get a mode before starting Turtle Power MB?

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Please keep working non-stop until this wrong is righted!!!

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I opted not to go with the NECA version and went with the OG version (used on eBay) because I wanted the figure back that I apparently lost from childhood.

Is there a super skill shot in the game? Holding the left flipper on plunge and hitting Krang or center ramp gives like 200 points. My son got more points on a standard plunge that bounced back down the right orbit, spun the spinner a few times got like 1000 points. Seems weird.

Also the Pro light show is legit!

2nd time I’ve read this malarkey this week. Besides SR once saying the sandman bank and toy was a tribute to AFM, in what other way is SM alike AFM? The layouts aren’t the same at all.

Having the exact same issue. Don’t know if it has a TNA-esque scoring for the 1’s column now.

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Also “Dad, I didn’t say you couldn’t. I said you shouldn’t!”

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Agreed. Mine was noisy but whatever day 1-2. Now on day 3 it’s concerning how loud it is. Grinding like crazy. Got lithium grease tonight to try to address tomorrow per a few pages ago.

This should be made a key post. It took a long ass time to get it out and disassembled, but I was able to take the entire thing apart down to the gearbox, grease the gears and the nylon washers, and now it runs silently. This is a must for anyone with grinding pizza mech.

What did you order? I was just on the site but it looks like there's not a common model for SPIKE and TMNT is still in the works it looks.

Same as mine
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This. A slightly delayed post pass works on both flippers. This is critical in training to get the left ramp after the right ramp usually puts the ball on the left flipper, and in general when you're looking to light Episode Start.

I just noticed the "dead pixel" thing as well. 4 green dots. Next time I'll see if it's all the time or just certain screens.

Operation "shove as much of my childhood under the glass as I can" is going well. Had some Comet Matrix items kicking around so I replaced the top left backboard LED with a Martix one w/ connector, and then used one of their sticky red LED strips to light up the ramp behind the Technodrome. Came out great for spare parts I had lying around. Tried green too, but red looks much better with the red flasher in front.

Torn on what to do with Krang. I saw one of the modders who used zip ties to the post that goes up to the center ramp opto. I think it tucks my Krang too far back and I think his current placement is better. But if I want him to jiggle, I either need to use a very large and ugly spring, or go back to the post w/ zip ties, and have a small hanging post behind him in the orbit. Still don't know if I want him to light up or not. I was hoping the pop under him had a traditional LED, but it's one of those tiny LED boards so I can't use Matrix, so I probably have to solder to the Krang loop insert and I really didn't want to solder on this.

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That would be a valid question if both model playfields were routed the same, but the LAIR shot on the Pro is different from the Prem/LE due to number of switches (maybe other differences as well due to shooter lane ramp, but I haven't looked). Therefore all Pro's are routed one way and the difference in quality between Pro's is exclusive to the Pro. Prem/LE quality is its' own separate playfield lottery. Vendors who do the art and clear is the main variable at this point.

You have to remove the entire mech from the game and disassemble all the way to the gearbox innards to lubricate in order to get rid of the pizza grinding. Pain in the ass but worth it. No way to do it without full removal and disassembly.

White washers did nothing for me. Grinding noise was terrible. Had to get inside the gearbox. Same thing I had to do on an old WCS.

I did exactly this but it did nothing. My pizza was LOUD and sounded like there was sand inside. Should everyone be disassembling the entire mech and getting in the gears? Probably not. But if you have basic mechanical aptitude and the washer greasing method does nothing, you got to take the next step.

You have to go to the What's New page on Passionforpinball.com and you'll see the TMNT Pro and Prem/LE in development. He hasn't moved them over to the products page yet so you just have to reach out. I have my set on order already.

Also, for the time being in a home environment, go into settings and crank down the shooter eject power.

Define "young". My son is 11 and just getting tall enough (and still on a small stool) to see and time upper flipper shots. On our ST (and when we had SM) he usually skips the upper flipper shots. Not a big deal on ST, but essential on TMNT.

Also I'd say the game is very fast but not frustrating. Ours is parked next to ACDC, and that's fast as well and my son is starting to put some real good games together. He just needs to learn TMNT more as the rules aren't as straightforward, and the shots are much tighter. Just about everything is a forehand.

If your kids are younger, the theme may be ideal, but the gameplay may be too fast and rules a bit hard to remember (but at least you can play as a team).

Co-op was the key for us. We were mainly torn between TMNT, Hot Wheels, and MBr (in that order, all NIB) with GnR worthy of consideration... if it ever had been freggin released. TMNT won because of Co-op play and price. Your 10yr old will love it, especially if he/she watched the modern series on Nickelodeon (obviously inferior to the OG version, but allows them to know all the characters). Totally harmless theme. Super fun game. Just some tight shots.

You know, my son loved playing Donatello for that very reason. But you can also get into Ninja Pizza MB very easy with the only shot "up the middle" in the game. Once he learned that, Raph became the TMNT of choice because now he can get into a mode much easier and then with 1 ball locked. With Don you got to get into Foot 1-2-3 (no shot feeds it, so you just have to sort of flail and nudge) and then hit the right ramp if you don't want to start TP MB right away, so because that's a must in our strategy, Don's now the hardest TMNT for us to start with. I can totally see why kiddos like the TP MB off the bat though.

You just have to get used to it... or imagine an extra '0' at the end of all the scores. It does get you to realize how important a 2mil April hurry up, or a 2.5mil Super Jackpot is in the game.

I forget where I found it, but I cranked it down to the min power available. Still gets the job done. Also turned down the BG brightness to the lowest level without going off when in gameplay. That, in a dark room, plus a Bent Plastic DMD glare guard to block the LCD is the closest thing you can get to invisiglass without actually taking the plunge.

Anyone know what’s up with April when you have to collect her Hurry Ups and her letters are scrolling up and down? When it does this, you can’t collect letters to get Battle Again or Hurry Up.

The problem with this is late in the game, I’ve needed to finish the 5 April Hurry Ups to qualify Cowabunga (yes I’m obviously playing Co-op 4 player). But her letters are scrolling on some ball starts and I can’t do anything to get it back to collecting letters. I’ve tried MB, I’ve tried getting into Weapon and Foot. Nada.

The kicker is if you collect everything early (Foot, Weapon, Triple mondo, Grande, Krang) and you get to ball 3, you don’t want to complete the 8th mode until you have all the April’s done because you can’t collect April in Final Battle. Getting locked out of April means Cowabunga isn’t happening (unless you somehow beat Final Battle, but I don’t know if it opens up after that again).

This is good to know! You really can't wait on Aprils until the 8th mode then, because you'll get into Final Battle first and never have the chance to collect them unless (I assume) you beat Final Battle.

Also...

I just learned that you can't qualify Cowabunga and not have played Final Battle on Ball 3 for the same reason. I just played a 4-player Co-op and got Aprils early. On Ball 2, I got through all members' Team Up, except I drained on P4, so it still had to be played on Ball 3. On P1-P3 Ball 3, I then collected everything else for Cowabunga. However, now all the players have to play Final Battle first... which is freggin TOUGH. So you'll most likely drain in Final Battle and not get to Cowabunga. P4 still had to go through Team Up first... and then after that I went straight into Final Battle. Of course I then lost, and though I saw the screen after a few players that said "Cowabunga is ready", unless you can beat Final Battle on Ball 3, or get to it on Ball 2, you ain't seeing Cowabunga.

Yeah, I'm just trying to beat the game, and then once I've learned how everything works, see if I can do it all with just 3 Turtles, 2 Turtles...etc. But since EACH turtle has to get through Team Up and Final Battle, and because with 8 episodes, you can really only get the EB for each turtle if each starts 2 episodes. Since you'd rather get them out of the way quick and get into Team Up ASAP, you will have some turtles that probably won't get the 2-episode EB. Therefore I think the only other EB is through lots of pizza.

But you will really have to map out a plan in order to maximize EB's, stage episodes, get enough April's, and not have Final Battle on the last ball if you ever want to sniff Cowabunga.

It's going to be hard to get an extra ball on Ball 3. The EB's are going to happen way earlier than that or not happen at all. Basically since Final Battle is a MF'er (especially Bebop and Rocksteady in Stage 2 with only 1 ball and crazy lighting, still requiring a LAIR shot and eventually both orbits on timers) you can't save Final Battle til Ball 3 if you want to see Cowabunga (again, you'll probably use your EB's before this).

You realistically need to get through Final Battle on Ball 2, which means you probably need to get to Team Up on Ball 1 and collect everything else required in the first 2 balls. This is why Cowabunga is going to be super hard to reach.

If I read that correctly, just use the right flipper button to go to the turtle after the one you want (in the L-D-R-M turtle cycle), then let go and hold down the left flipper to go back one while plunging manually or with the center button. This will select the turtle you initially wanted while also sending the ball around to the upper flipper (speaking for the Pro model). As soon as ball is launched, release left button and get ready for cross shot to Krang orbit or center ramp.

This is going to sound dumb since I have a boat load of games on my TMNT Pro now, but is there an actual (super) skill shot on the Pro when cycling one step past a turtle, holding in the left button to go back, and plunging? I do this anyways, because it's how you collect weapon on Donatello. With Leo I want as much ball save time as possible to go for Lair, so I do it anyways, and with Raph I want to start a mode ASAP. But is there an actual skill shot with the left button pressed with the upper flipper besides Donatello?

Left outlane is a BITCH. You have to learn to deal with it. Learn where on your right sling leads to drain and nudge up the second before it hits the sweet spot. Also work on April to get Ball Save lit and have your settings set to outlane save switches sides with flipper press. Then you may... may... have a fighting chance.

I wouldn't say mine is as bad as yours, but it's still like 75% of your movement. I took the whole damn mech apart and reassembled (I lubed the gearbox gears to address the super grindy noise you mentioned). Everything is tight and secured and the pizza still has a bit of wobble to it. I'm guessing a fair number are like this. Let me know what your distro says.

Leveling is a feel thing with the wobble. I think I found the right balance where it's pretty level regardless.

Concerning the grinding, though many here claim just the washer trick worked, it did not solve mine. This is what solved mine and should be a key post in this thread. https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-club2020-cowabunga-its-pizza-time/page/35#post-5774649

Even without the shaker in the game, you will get some shaking of the game with Pizza MB starts. You can have 1-3 balls on the pizza, potentially more when balls autolaunch. Any imbalance (even number of balls connected on the magnet, or 2 balls on 1 side of center) will shake the machine until the magnet releases.

Yes... in 4-player Co-op mode.

I absolutely hate when a logo gets put on top of the same logo! That topper logo blocks most of the Technodrome! Ditch it and let the Technodrome look bigger! It's also not going to confuse anyone on what game it belongs to because it will always be installed 4" above the translite logo. Ugh.

From what I understand TMNT was delayed due to COVID related production issues. But AIQ had a firm release date regardless, because it had to line up with the new Xbox/PS4 game. AIQ was coming out now no matter what and TMNT should've been here in the Spring. Not much you can go about global pandemics.

TMNT also has fairly good demand. Stern was supposed to run EHOH again, but because of AIQ commitments and TMNT popularity, EHOH's next run got pushed back 1-2 months.

I can't backhand the left ramp at all, but I can post pass. Right ramp is backhandable. Ball times are as fair as my ACDC Prem and ST Pro. You just have to use proper ball control... and a lot! Balls hitting the upper right sling are almost doomed for left outlane, so avoid flailing. I got to Cowabunga again in Co-op earlier, and almost on Ball 2. Going to try with 3 turtles tonight.

I think this is correct, and if it’s not 100%, it’s almost entirely correct.

Also, I find in MB’s that the Krang loop is the hardest to hit. There’s just too much congestion in the middle and Krang is a tight shot anyways. Therefore I end up trying to hit a few other jackpots quick and then (skillfully) drain while ball save is on. This puts a bunch of balls back up top quick, a few of which will fall back through the Krang loop. Depending on what you’ve done before, you just got some of the Mondos or lit Max Krang at the center ramp.

Then with 2 balls on the left flipper you can backhand the Jackpoto Grande and cross that off the Cowabunga checklist as well.

I'm thinking of doing the same thing. Did you just go by the manual (I haven't looked in there yet) and just order the entire elastomer BoM?

Yeah, I haven't figured out what I want to do there yet. Because it's active when completing 1-2-3 Foot, Training, and Weapon, I wanted to put some sais or other TMNT weapon there, but I haven't come up with anything worthy yet.

I used this kit, all green. Was actually a much easier install then I thought. Once you get remove the two wireforms you can access just about everything. I didn't worry about PF color matching. Green everywhere looks great.

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Sorry. Forgot to paste the link above, so I edited that post. Here's some pics installed.

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Finally, the 'Gang of 8' is now complete. Krang was the most difficult mod for me, because I wanted the OG Krang figure so that it matched the others, I wanted him to move, and I wanted him to at least illuminate (if not flash). I tapped into the white GI bulb behind that pop bumper with Comet Matrix. Because the Krang insert is RGB on a small board, I didn't want to play around with that. But if someone tells me I can tap into the green flasher in the pops nest with Comet Matrix, I may revisit the lighting part as it flashes with a Krang loop shot. But overall, we now have a moving, illuminated OG Krang and completes the 8 figures I wanted in the game.

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It's a lot easier in Co-op, that's for sure. I tried a few games where that was my only objective. It's tough. A bit easier on Mikey because you're halfway there on Ball 1. But after 2 April's, you have to start a mode to light them back up.

The topper is fugly, redundant, flat, and lazy. Save the $1000 and buy like a Flash or Comet.

Edit: Having now seen the video above, I'll add poorly executed to the list.

Better. It carries another TMNT logo!!!

I wish there was an abort where you could hit the action button within 1 second of starting 1-2-3 Foot to cancel the mode and save it for later. This way it wouldn't let 1-2-3 get in the way of your current strategy.

Drink every time they say Alien Tape -

I’ve been using double sided foam tape for mine but there are issues. My Rocksteady is a tricky location (right orbit) and the foam tape doesn’t have a ton of contact area. Also if I lift the PF, like 3 of my 8 figures fall off. I liked the idea of Alien tape. It looks like it holds better, and even more important, it looks better as it’s clear. White foam tape on a black shooter lane rail sticks out under a figure’s foot.

I see two issues with this shot on my Pro. If you nail the center ramp in a combo shot, it can either slightly jump the opto area so you don't credit, it can fly off the wireform halfway back and end up in the outlane, or both. I've somewhat addressed the opto issue, but the return wireform jumps could really use a protector (or a mod like the sewer pipe mod).

And for the love of all things pinball and comedy, please watch this.........

(In Splinter voice) You are correct, my son... in regards to putting Bebop and RockSteady in the left and right orbits. It's almost like there should be default stands to put them there. It just makes so much sense. I did Shredder on top of the Technodrome plastic. I can't find half of my TMNT toys (including Krang and the giant TMNT van that shoots pizza discs) but I found enough to fill up the PF. I then bought an OG Krang and put an LED in his head and mounted him on a spring so I have a moving Krang on a Pro which is good enough for me.

But I LOVE what you did with the figures on top. I have the 4 main turtles unopened in their packaging. Was hoping to make a topper out of them still in box... but I don't have the ceiling clearance. I do have opened turtles as well. I may have to check the clearance to see if I can fit opened figures instead as I really like how your's looks!

That's what I think will be the "no topper" workaround. In the settings you have to just select qualification to always, and it should be in the menu of game modes when starting.

I noticed this over the past week. I'd start a game (sometimes 4 player, sometimes 1-player), always Raph as P1 and sometimes I'd have Battle Again lit right off the get go and wonder why. This must be what was happening, and the fix for it. That would've been unfair if that made its way into tourney play.

And I haven't heard one person say "I couldn't live without the pizza disc spinning the other direction as well".

Sweet. I got the same one. I like how it was from the same series as the other figures.

If you want to go nuts, that Krang toy has a hole under the head the size of a LED. I drilled through his seat and glued a bright white LED into his head and ran the wires underneath. I tied it to the GI bulb right behind that pop with Comet Matrix so it's basically on all the time, but if you want to go over the top, you can go to the LED board for the Krang insert and solder it to activate when one of the colors lights (I think someone here did the red), so when it's flashing Krang is flashing, and even better, when Krang talks he's also lit up.

I've gotten to Cowabunga twice, both in 4-player co-op mode. One time was with my son as I dragged him into Ball 3 when I saw it was going to happen, which was super fun. In a 1-player game, I've hit all the criteria except Final Battle, because I barely made it to Team Up in that game. A bunch of random events and virtually no mode progression.

Whoever makes it to Cowabunga first on a one player game will almost certainly know it early on in a game because they got into a MB and quickly got Krang and Triple Mondo done. Jackpoto Grande is one shot and easier than what Krang and Triple Mondo require. If you can check off Krang and Mondo quick, now you know your main objective is to baby step your way through the modes (no need to win them... heck, drain the 2nd ball on Team Up too since it's just a roadblock), while being cognizant of the checklist items when they appear. Don't wait until Ball 3 for Weapon and 1-2-3 Foot, but don't center you entire strategy around them as you'll never get into modes. Just defeat them when you stumble into them along your mode quest, and definitely get the two main EB's.

If I had @xaqery's ear for one moment, I'd kindly suggest that Krang and Triple Mondo are both too similar and too difficult. Both require 3 (TIGHT) inner orbits, but Krang is at stupid fast speeds, and then needs a center ramp shot (which may not register at said speeds, depending on your setup). Triple Mondo in a MB at least doesn't require it as a combo so you have a chance. I'd suggest either making Krang's requirement ANY number of Krang combos (even if just one Krang loop, and then center ramp), or nix it all together and have that requirement change to a Training Mode completion requirement. I think both ideas still make you touch all corners of the rules while also not neutering it or having a bunch of players just say "play better". IMHO it's like a 98-99% perfectly coded game.

As others said above, it's not always about Wizard, but instead high scores... but if you can have both, a deep and broad game with tons of scoring objectives AND that rare chance to pinball immortality bragging rights, that's a damn good combo.

Though I like the multi-color ramp lighting mod, I wasn't going to spend $50 for it. I also wasn't going to spend $25 for the single color mod.

If you look at the back panel right over the ramp, you have LED's and you can replace the left most one with a Comet Matrix bulb with leads. Then attach one of the matrix strips, color of your choice, back there (they have an adhesive backing). Done in like 3 minutes and maybe $8 out of pocket. I had both red and green lying around. I liked red better.

Sell me the WWE on the super cheapy???

Can anyone explain the skill shots to me? So we have the top lane plunge which with just the action button will hit it mine about a 3rd of the time (some hit the other top lane, some come down the Krang loop... maybe the occasional bounce back down the right orbit but rare).

We also have the left-flipper-hold which sends it around, but unlike ST, or ACDC, I see nothing lit when I do this bypass. The no-brainer is the Krang loop or the center ramp, but those don't have any fan fare when hit on the plunge. If I let the ball come all the way around the most obvious shot would be the right ramp, but that doesn't do anything either. So is there a super skill shot or not? I feel like I'm plunging around the orbit, just to avoid the time in the pops, but have nothing to go for like I do in so many other Sterns. Am I completely wrong in this? Hope so.

Woah, people had submitted claims WELL before that about the art quality. The fact they kept those PF's in inventory and shipped them in games speaks volumes about how they approach QC. Those should've been removed from stock the minute the issues were reported.

Still hoping I get one of these "delivery notifications" soon. I was told in October that I'd get an unpopulated when they next run the Pros. Seems like it's happening...

Agreed. You kind of have to imagine an extra ‘0’ at the end of the score if you want to make sense with some other Sterns.

But there’s just a ton to do in the game, and since we have Regular, Co-op, Teams, Final Battle Wizard game, and now Half Shell race mini game, there’s more ways to enjoy this single machine than arguably any other game on the market.

But why did he have to sing it so awkwardly, especially in the names verse. Just sing the rhythm of the song.

Oh well, at least someone knows how to animate April

Anyone having problems getting one, PM me. I know someone who snagged a few semi-close to me.

This is a fantastic idea. I was on a Cowabunga-quest last night, so I played a 4p co-op game. Had one of the most monster Ball 1's ever. See pic below, which was before my EB. Still didn't get to Cowabunga, which shows that this game is an ass-kicker and I suck at pinball.

Team Up and Final Battle are roadblocks to Cowabunga. You must play through them, and everything else basically shuts off when they're available. So unless you can beat Final Battle, you have to play it on Ball 2 to have a chance to sniff Cowabunga (tall order), and then there's all the hard things to collect as well.

Having Team Up completion qualify one of the grid items would be HUGE perk for completing one of the mandatory roadblocks that is Team Up, while also putting Cowabunga within the realm of possibility.

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I think there’s only a sewer pipe mod for the left ramp. On my Pro, I can fly off the center ramp if I nail it on the fly. Will usually end up in the shooter lane or fly over my right flipper into the drain.

Flying off while on the wireform unfortunately. After the parallel wireforms section when the center ramp/wireform then turns toward the shooter lane, too much speed will launch it off there.

Don't know if anyone else experiences this issue, but a quick code fix could help immensely if I'm not the only one.

If the LAIR post is up, it will allow a ball to slowly return to the left inlane once it detects the ball and lowers. However, when in a scenario where it has the post down, it can hum through there, hit the rail between the two inlanes (because it had a higher exit velocity out of the LAIR) and bounce into the outlane. My game seems to be set up perfectly, so I think a quick code fix would be a condition where the LAIR post is down and the LAIR switch is hit, left outlane ball save for 2 seconds is lit. The issue in question happened twice last night and really irked me. Anyone else?

There is? How the heck did I miss that??? Going to look for it now. Thanks!

What's "conflicting" about that? Seems pretty clear to me that the Dec. production run (which was widely known to be the last run) is getting bumped up to September. After this run they won't be running TMNT ever again and it will be archived on their site.

As a former Pro owner, but one who still plays a Pro frequently, I'll add my thoughts.

1) 1-2-3 Foot is still a bit obtrusive.

2) Similar to Lightsaber Dual in SW, Team Up halts the game and forces you to play that mode.

3) Though I had games where I could sometimes flirt with playing most of the modes and getting some of the minor objectives, Triple Krang and Triple Mondo are crazy hard to get alone, and borderline impossible to get in the same game.

4) Some scoring issues (April offering like 10k or 3M comes to mind).

In tournies I used to play as Raph and start modes and get into NPPMB. But I found myself focusing too much on the modes which weren't giving enough points. Meanwhile everyone else chooses Donnie and just starts TPMB and is getting jackpots 8sec after plunge. Throw in some Mondos and some JP Grandes and you're fighting an uphill battle... for playing the game the way it was intended. Donnie sort of reduces it to a MB minigame battle. If the game was less brutal, obviously starting modes and bringing in a MB is the way to go, but when most I play against are getting between 1M-15M points, why not just start off with a quick 2M-8M as a base and then work towards modes and NPPMB? It just feels like you have to just play the quick way, instead of playing the right way, which sucks some of the fun out IMHO.