Thought more about the Turtles linear discussion and TMNT is more progressive than linear. Linear means you have to do mode A, to get to B, to get to C, etc. Progressive means you can do mode A, B, C in any order you want to get to the next level of challenges. Most modern pinball is progressive, achieve these goals in any order to progress to the next group of challenges. TMNT is a fun progressive story being told, with side challenges that are part of the story. That keeps it from being a grind and allows the machine to have a different feel every time its played. Training is the only linear part of TMNT, as training 1,2,3,4 has to be completed always in that order.

Found the issue the up post is not centered in hole, causing it to bind and stay down intermittently.

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Mine did the same thing. Just manually bent it back to center and all was good.

Bracket looked fine to me, had a factory looking bend down by the coil. I think it was installed slightly off center. I opened up the 3 holes in bracket where it screws to playfield.

Oh man, imagine having it so you could pick the mode\character! That and having the scoring more like all the other pins (higher scoring etc) and not feel like you are beating the crap out of the machine for not much, if it had those two things this pin would be in the top ten.....easy!

+1000

I like this a lot too. Something like Avengers where you choose a battle, instead selecting an episode would be so nice. Would add more strategy as well on how you order the episodes. I’ll never try using the targets to select - too risky.

Yeah that episode selection was added, but I can’t imagine anyone trying to use those on purpose.

Hi everyone. I'm having a new issue where the ramp lock on my Pro TMNT isn't working. I noticed it when I hit Raphael's Weapon Skill Shot and it no longer stops on the ramp. I did a coil test and its not moving during the test. I tried to search the thread but I'm not seeing much. Hashman did you ever find a fix? I've never reached out to Stern for anything...1st pin and all. Is it a fairly easy process if I need a new coil or part replacement?

Thanks guys.

You did the first thing I would do, test it in coil test. I would call stern support and start the conversation. It may end up needing a new part but they’re gonna want to document your troubleshooting as well if they’re going to send you something (like a coil or node board).

I would like to see the ability to change your turtle between balls in a future update. Could be a real game changer for strategy and for varieties sake. Especially with the IC held training feature.

As hard as it is to repeatedly hit the center loop, I wish you were rewarded more.

I think that's the story of the game, in a lot of cases.

so after a long time it hit me again with turtle power multiball restart.
Just a good multiball going for a long time then the screen froze first then the reset started.

all was happening while i was recording, so i hope i can see at what point exactly it did happen.

Are they any closer to solving this issue. I took delivery of a TMNT pro this week, '87 code 1.50. Played the game about 10 times and already had a crash on TPMB!

I don't think so. The odd thing about my experience with my TMNT Pro is that when I got it, I was very frustrated with these crashes (as you can tell by the post you copied), but over time, the crashes happened less frequently. They hardly ever happen now, unless I do an update, then it seems like they happen more, then they start happening less frequently again. I don't know why this is, and maybe it's only on my machine.

I would think operators would be hating having these same crashes on locations, as paying customers must be losing games and requesting refunds or free plays to make up for money lost on crashed games. I'd like to know if operators are experiencing these crashes. They must be.

I have had the game crash on me but I’ve never had a single complaint of a reset on location oddly enough. And I will also agree that it seems to happen more frequently after an update out when I switch between cartoon code and stock but then happen less frequently over time

crashes happen more often with new images, at least onece, after that it get's more seldom. With a new image it's quite probable to get a clitch in the first 10-20 Games, after this had restarts only in about 100 games, maybe even less

A few weeks back I posted about my Premium not starting a game (post #8670). I made another SD card with the current code on it. That seemed to fix the problem. However, it happened again the other day. The biggest clue that it's not going to start, is that when I turn the game on, Ill hear the music as if I'm adjusting the volume. I have the Stern volume/headphones controls on the coin door. If I simply restart the game it does the same thing. I started to think about this and I opened the coin door and unplugged the volume controls from my add on. Restart the game, problem solved. I then plug the volume controls back in and it all works. It's so random when this happens, but at least I now know how to fix it. I wonder if this is a code issue. I dont think its a cable issue as it does work. Anyone else have the Stern volume/headphone controls on the coin door experiencing a weird issue?

have you tried '87 version 1.51. It should be out.
it will not solve the problem but makes everybody more compareable.

here is the video when my machine went dead:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/16Zh4whOuNzJOFnPLj0hcj5hKGxMC2g7s/view?usp=sharing

For those of you who want to see it, I would forward to the 53:50 mark.

thank you very much, did edit and upload the video in a rush, i thought i did cut it down to the relevant part. But it's the whole video
big thanks for posting the mark.

That was my thought. When it happened to me I had 4 balls flying around the playfield triggering multiple coils at the same time

here is the summary of the Video, timing refers to Multiball start 00:00:

Turtle: Raphael
No mode started
5 Balls Game
5 Episodes completed (Welcome to concrete Jungle, Pizza-o-Meter, Night of the Mousers, See you on the other Side, Window Shopping)
Pizza Multiball completed

Shoot Again
Turtle Power (0:00)
April Hurry up start video (0:35)
Weapon is now lit (1:01)
Sai Hurry-up shoot right orbit (1:05)
Turtle Power Award add-a-ball (1:16)
April Hurry Up (1:19)
Turtle Power shot (1:28)
Screen freeze (1:31)
lights out (1:36)

There has and is always trouble with april hurry up. Sometimes i do not get sound with "cat stuck in the Tree" in general a lot of the callouts seem to be cut off at certain times. So it might be some missmatching beween video audio files. With the limited hardware it could also be a memory performance problems.
I hope they will find sometimes the error. Errors that do not reoccur that often are hard to debug.
Maybe stern needs to send out images for testers that will keep the logfiles to be analysed.

I have pinball life headphone controls and no issues on current code or any code for that matter.

Mine is the Stern brand I bought through Pinball life. Thanks for the reply, good to know.

I swear every time I play this game I want Pizza

I don’t play and still want pizza.

"When I get a free game, I always munch on some pizza!"

Just had the TPMB crash. Not in a mode, 4 balls in play, 2 cradled on left flipper, 1 free balling and the fourth had just collected an April hurry up. I think I saw someone else say it happened on an April hurry up too so maybe that’s something in common. Sigh, always on a good game!

You all can wear that TPMB crash as a badge of honor. I'm sure the reason that I haven't seen that crash more than once is because I'm just not very good. Unless I play as Donatello, I maybe see TPMB in like 1 in 20 games.

Second game in a row that I've had TPMB. Second game in a row it's crashed!

Avatar checks out.

I love free games and pizza, but “always” munching on pizza after a free game seems pretty excessive haha.

Take it up with Michelangelo.

Just installed 1.51. Impossible play is a fun challenge for me, since I'm a player that traps up a lot to set up shots. I'm surprised there is no new high score specific to impossible play.

Also, still bummed out about NPP update with 1.51. Really seems like it's a detriment having insider connected with respect to NPP. Versus with 1.5 it was a benefit to IC owners.

Im surprised there isn’t a high score table for impossible mode either since mando has it.

Has anyone hooked up an external powered sub to their TMNT via the bottom of the cab sub (piggybacking the sub terminals - parallel)? Mine makes a static noise on startup that goes away and then again even if the machine is turned off. This is the first machine that I’ve had this issue with. Same setup on others and same tie in. Any help is appreciated.

https://pinnovators.myshopify.com/collections/stern-subwoofer-kits/products/pinsub-spike-spike2-stern-kit

I have done this to mine. I use the Kicker RCA outputs from the cabinet speaker to an external sub. No Issue. No static.

I know it's been discussed before but I'm not sure how to search the thread for it. A buddy of mine has a Premium machine that is starting to have difficulties on the auto-plunge. I checked the coil bracket and every thing seems to be adjusted properly and moving freely, the metal striker piece was making pretty good contact with the ball but I adjusted that as well to make more consistent contact but no change. He also has the Sword shooter rod and I notice that while it does still make it all the way up the ramp, it's pretty close to not making it quite often. Is there something about that steep shooter lane ramp that causes problems and, if so, what's the fix?

Also, there is a setting to "Disable Van" but that doesn't appear to do anything. Has anyone used that before? I thought the idea was that you could set "Disable Van" to yes, remove the 2 extra balls (for a total of 6) and then it would act like the Pro but it didn't seem to make any change.

Auto plunge issues for me were a side effect of magnetized balls. Get new balls and I bet it clears up that issue.

I have the sword shooter rod as well and once I changed out the spring to a red one, I have had no issues making the ramp everytime.

Got to final battle today what a trip! And I wasn’t too far off cowabunga. I think I was the two multiball jackpots off. Such a fun game

Use a low-level adapter between the cabinet woofer and the external amplified subwoofer. A low-level adapter converts the balanced output of the Stern woofer amplifier to what they call single-ended (the sub woofer amp's input). The level is also lowered to the proper level for the sub's input. Most low-level adapters (if they use what they call a BALUN i.e. an isolation transformer) also eliminates ground-loop issues.

That may not eliminate your problem, but it's the proper way to hook up an external sub.

Pinnovators makes a nice adapter, don't want to dismiss his contribution to the hobby. So check out his products too.
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Just bought this at Allentown will report back!

I have this kit on my tmnt with this sub and it's great https://amzn.to/3w9E4aJ

I also have the same combo on my Metallica.

Look on FB mktplace or CL or OU and don't pay more than 60$ and you end up with this. They are CHEAP secondhand.

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Being cheap, I just bought a mixer for the row of 6 pins, then drive two subs via the mixer.

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Hey man...gotta be cheap with prices of NIB (and second-hand pins!) nowadays. I heard there's a focused pin-gadget that aggregates all pins into one unit for a single sub. Can't remember the item as its been a while and also I'm drunk.