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Tech: White Water switch problems multiplying

By offdutyninja1

3 years ago


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#1 3 years ago

I'm working on fixing up my White Water , which has always seemed to have one problem or another.

I don't *believe* this issue is related to battery leakage, though there was some in the past - I have since installed NVRAM.
I've had someone shop the boards previously; he repaired around 10 breaks on the board.

On to the current issue. The Left Trough was not registering closed, so the game registered a missing pinball AND would feed two balls to the shooter lane if you tried to start a game.
I traced everything in the column (7) for connectivity - no problems.
I traced everyting in the row (8) for connectivity - no problems until I made it back to the trough. Someone had swapped the Center and Left Trough - meaning the Center was now on R8 and the Left was on R7.

Seemed like any easy fix - swap them so they are on the correct rows. Which I did.

That was incorrect. The game started fine (though it thew up a sound board error on first boot but never again) and didn't feed two balls, but now NOTHING on row 8 works, and half of column 2 (from row 4-8).

Checked fuses, no problems there. Swapped it back to see if that fixed the problem, no change.

Any insights?

#2 3 years ago

https://pinwiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=Williams_WPC#Switch_Problems

First see if it is an MPU problem by following the steps.

#3 3 years ago

Checked the MPU, pin 9 wouldn’t close! Switched over to the other pins and cleared up all the problems (other than the trough switches being swapped).

Doesn’t explain the column 2 issues though - they tested fine.

Any chance flipping the connections burned out the pin on the MPU? Or was it likely residual battery damage?

I’m leaning towards doing nothing else - maybe repairing the MPU in the future.

#4 3 years ago

Have you followed the wires from switch to switch on column 2 looking for one that has broken off of a lug or something? Something may have broken loose while you were doing the other work.

#5 3 years ago

Nokoro Yes, didn't find any problems AND swapping connectors on the MPU board 'fixed' that column - though I as able to close all those switches when testing the MPU.

#6 3 years ago
Quoted from offdutyninja1:

nokoro Yes, didn't find any problems AND swapping connectors on the MPU board 'fixed' that column - though I as able to close all those switches when testing the MPU.

I'm a little confused by your responses, when testing the MPU with all the switch connectors removed where you able to use the diode test to close every switch correctly? If the answer is yes, the problem isn't the board and has to be somewhere on the playfield.

#7 3 years ago

bobukcat the reality is confusing as well. Let me try again.
1. Switch matrix was connected to J207 and j209.
2. Row 8 was fully out, and column two was partially out.
3. Performed the diode test between J207 and J209. All switches closed except for Row 8 (pin 9 on J209).
4. Performed the diode test between J207 and J208. Everything worked fine.
5. Plugged back into J207 and J208 - all problems solved.

So obviously the row problem was on the MPU.
And most likely something is loose between switch 24 and 25, and moving the play field led to that error (and subsequently fixed it).

So I guess my remaining question is about the likely cause of the pin 9 failing.
Was it most likely the previous battery damage?
Or could swapping switches have caused it?

#8 3 years ago
Quoted from offdutyninja1:

bobukcat the reality is confusing as well. Let me try again.
1. Switch matrix was connected to J207 and j209.
2. Row 8 was fully out, and column two was partially out.
3. Performed the diode test between J207 and J209. All switches closed except for Row 8 (pin 9 on J209).
4. Performed the diode test between J207 and J208. Everything worked fine.
5. Plugged back into J207 and J208 - all problems solved.
So obviously the row problem was on the MPU.
And most likely something is loose between switch 24 and 25, and moving the play field led to that error (and subsequently fixed it).
So I guess my remaining question is about the likely cause of the pin 9 failing.
Was it most likely the previous battery damage?
Or could swapping switches have caused it?

Yes, seems likely that corrosion killed the section on the MPU that would effect areas related to your issues. Could be that the corrosion was never fully neutralized and is still eating the board. This is a tough situation when you don't have a spare board handy.

Seems like you have some resistance between J209 pin 9 and the diode(D10)

#9 3 years ago
Quoted from offdutyninja1:

bobukcat the reality is confusing as well. Let me try again.
1. Switch matrix was connected to J207 and j209.
2. Row 8 was fully out, and column two was partially out.
3. Performed the diode test between J207 and J209. All switches closed except for Row 8 (pin 9 on J209).
4. Performed the diode test between J207 and J208. Everything worked fine.
5. Plugged back into J207 and J208 - all problems solved.
So obviously the row problem was on the MPU.
And most likely something is loose between switch 24 and 25, and moving the play field led to that error (and subsequently fixed it).
So I guess my remaining question is about the likely cause of the pin 9 failing.
Was it most likely the previous battery damage?
Or could swapping switches have caused it?

Do you just have a cracked solder joint in J209 pin 8?

#10 3 years ago
Quoted from bobukcat:

Do you just have a cracked solder joint in J209 pin 8?

A good possibility as well. But if the other plug works, I say leave it alone for now and troubleshoot from here. The board may have issues altogether that may have u chasing your tail.

#11 3 years ago

Thanks for the help all -
I’m going to take the win for now and just be on the lookout for play field connection issues on column 2.
Then possibly look to replace the board in the future.

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