(Topic ID: 40194)

Solved : Pinbot Visor

By Chrizg

11 years ago



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  • Latest reply 3 years ago by mcvetyty
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#1 11 years ago

Having a issue with the visor on pinbot. It sometimes works but sometimes doesn't. When it doesn't work it only cycles 2 times and no more and stays open like it should. I've replaced the two switches, and adjusted it to hell and back but I can't get it to open/close correctly all the time. Sometimes it will open and stay open on one cycle as designed. It is mostly when it goes to the open position. If I catch it when it is in the middle of the two cycle and it is in the open position it will show the visor open in switch test. If I manually start the motor both switches read in test when they are triggered. Do I have a board problem or something ? Posted a video of it. When it does the two cycles to stay open it is always 2 cycles. Never 3 or 4 cycles. Spent some time researching on forums and I can't find any info. Other threads are about the switches not reading at all

Sorry about grammar or repeats. Posting from phone

#2 11 years ago

Mine always cycles twice then stays open. I think this is what it is suppose to do. Just like your vid.

#3 11 years ago

Mine does not cycle twice, just once. I had some flakiness with mine, and adjusted the switches as well, with no luck. I ended up tearing the whole thing out, replaced the switches, replaced the motor, and it fixed it. It was a shotgun approach, but got it to work again.

I just looked at mine again, and the only thing I can think of is possibly check the diode on the switches to make sure they didn't break, giving you intermittent/flaky issues (That happened on my TFTC drop target--diode was broken, but would make contact occasionally causing the target to work then not work) or check the connector for the motor as well.

#4 11 years ago

Here is the reason for the two cycles and why it worked sometimes and not others. I didn't realize that the motor turned both ways. Lightly bending the switches so the motor could spin both directions fixed the problem.

7 years later
#5 3 years ago

Hello - I figured I'd add a post to this thread in case anyone stumbles here in the future with this issue. As an aside, I've battled this problem for several weeks now and as a result I've become quite proficient with the visor assembly. I would be happy to answer any questions that anyone runs into down the road. That being said, here's what I discovered with this particular issue:

As the video above indicates, the motor will sometimes spin clockwise and cause this issue, however, it is NOT supposed to. This is apparent when you remove the motor - you will see CCW engraved in the back. Additionally, as you probably have noticed, the times when it does move in CW direction it sounds terrible. The original motor is designed to switch directions if it runs into resistance so that it doesn't burn up. What I believe is going on is that as these age, they get dirt/grime inside of them and essentially encounter that 'resistance' the moment they start so they begin moving clockwise out of the gate - then it hits the flat side of either the visor open/closed switch and manually switches directions again until it hits the next switch properly. This is why the visor will sometimes open/close twice.

Here are three solutions to this issue:

1) As the OP said, you can attempt to bend the two switches so that they don't have a flat edge and instead are shaped more like a V so that the motor can enter from either direction and trigger the switch. After a lot of trial and error, I was able to do this successfully, but it was tedious and at the end of the day the solution didnt last. I believe that manually bending the switch made it lose some of its rigidness and after repeated uses the motor basically destroyed the metal leaf.

2) If my theory is correct, you could probably take this motor apart and clean/lubricate it and then put it back together. This should remove the initial resistance it perceives to have and always resume its motion going CCW. Disclaimer: I never did this or tried it.

3) If you can find one, you can simply replace the motor (part #14-7941). This is what I inevitably did after I wasn't satisfied with the patch of #1 and the new one spins CCW 100% of the time no matter what, and is also virtually silent when it runs (which when compared to the original motor, sort of corroborates my theory in #2).

Hope this is helpful, and good luck!

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