(Topic ID: 148550)

TECH: F14 wont boot, only +5v led on (game was fine)

By silver_spinner

8 years ago



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#1 8 years ago

game was fine, played fine. one day recent while it was on, the main game fuse blew for unknown reason.
game totally dead upon power up.
checked all coils to make sure none were burnt etc and linkages moved freely by hand. all is well. nothing frozen.
replaced main fuse and turned game on, no displays, game makes a weird noise in speakers, wont boot.
only the +5v led is lit on main mpu. nothing else. the other 2 led don't flicker, or come on, or anything when turned on
installed a new power supply, same thing happening.
all connectors to power supply are fine, no burns.
where to start?

#2 8 years ago

First I'd recommend to check MPU power to make sure it is in spec (even though supply replaced)
MPU 1J17 Pins 4,5,6 = +5.03 VDC @8.1 mV AC ripple
MPU IJ17 Pin 9 = -14.04 VDC (Unregulated)
MPU IJ17 Pin 8 = +12.02 VDC (Unregulated)

Check power on reset circuit:

To "go around" the POR section of the board, you can do a simple test. After attempting to boot the CPU board, ground the /RESET line on the CPU chip (pin 40 of U15) momentarily with a test clip. If the board boots up consistently without a problem (correct flashes or "0" in the LED), then the POR section is definately at fault.

The POR section's job is to look at the +5 and +12 volts, and make sure they have stablized, as determined by zener diodes ZR1 (1N5996A, 6.8 volts .5 watt) and ZR2 (1N5990, 3.9 volts .5 watt) before starting the CPU. This is done by transistors Q34, Q36 and Q38, but before these three transistors can work, capacitor C30 and resistors R55 and R56 provide a delay to allow the voltage to stabilize. Only then the /RESET line can be released.

From there, see "3f. When thing don't work: Fixing a Dead CPU"
http://techniek.flipperwinkel.nl/wms11/index2.htm

#3 8 years ago

this doesnt have the 7 segment led that shows error numbers.
it only uses 3 led lights on the mpu.

+5 led, blanking led, diagnostics

"If the board boots up consistently without a problem (correct flashes or "0" in the LED), then the POR section is definately at fault."

#4 8 years ago

Yes it uses LED indicators - but it still has a power on reset section. In any microprocessor system the first things to check on a non booting system is power and clock.

#5 8 years ago

All voltages present on cpu. No burnt connectors anywhere, new power supply with correct voltages. Will check por next, thx.

#6 8 years ago

I did the below and grounding that pin 40 wont boot the game. also, the voltage at pin 40 on u15 is only .2vdc.
the other 6802 processor on the cpu has 5 volts at pin 40.

To "go around" the POR section of the board, you can do a simple test. After attempting to boot the CPU board, ground the /RESET line on the CPU chip (pin 40 of U15) momentarily with a test clip. If the board boots up consistently without a problem (correct flashes or "0" in the LED), then the POR section is definately at fault.

#7 8 years ago
Quoted from silver_spinner:

I did the below and grounding that pin 40 wont boot the game. also, the voltage at pin 40 on u15 is only .2vdc.
the other 6802 processor on the cpu has 5 volts at pin 40.
To "go around" the POR section of the board, you can do a simple test. After attempting to boot the CPU board, ground the /RESET line on the CPU chip (pin 40 of U15) momentarily with a test clip. If the board boots up consistently without a problem (correct flashes or "0" in the LED), then the POR section is definately at fault.

If i am reading that correctly, that information is incorrect. System 11 uses a 6808/6802 CPU. The reset pin needs to be HIGH ,not LOW for the CPU to run. It also seems like a bad idea to try and force the reset high... would try and fix the reset circuit instead. If you did the test while the reset was actually working and you forced it low, you could have blown out the reset circuit. Whatever is driving reset, might not be happy with forcing its output.

If the reset pin of the main CPU is LOW. Pull the CPU out of the socket and check that pin again at the IC socket. If it is now HIGH with the CPU out, get a new CPU to try. If it is still LOW, trace out the reset delay circuit. It is probably some staggered transistors and a capacitor.

I am still stuck at the fact the main line fuse blew out. Perhaps when the MPU board shit the bed it turned on every solenoid and lamp and that is why the main line fuse popped?

#8 8 years ago

yeah i replaced the 6802 at c15 with no luck. onto tackling the reset circuit. thx for the help. will post my adventures when complete. may take a few weeks...to get back to it.

#9 8 years ago
Quoted from barakandl:

If i am reading that correctly, that information is incorrect. System 11 uses a 6808/6802 CPU. The reset pin needs to be HIGH ,not LOW for the CPU to run.

Yes, the reset is high during normal operation. The reset pin is active low, and must be held low for a predetermined time period as power is applied. This allows the processor to stabilize the internal circuits correctly as the power reaches the correct level. I think the guide is merely saying to simulate this action of the POR circuit by holding it low briefly. and then releasing pin 40 from ground should allow the pin to return to high at which time the processor would then run normal.

Quoted from silver_spinner:

the voltage at pin 40 on u15 is only .2vdc.
the other 6802 processor on the cpu has 5 volts at pin 40.

Yeah, pin stuck on low is not good.

1 week later
#10 8 years ago

found 2 bad resistors and a bad 1n4148 in the reset section and one cap.
thx so much everyone.

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