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TECH: F-14 Solenoid/Flasher Issue - SOLVED

By mikemoorman

4 years ago


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#19 4 years ago
Quoted from mikemoorman:

The #89 that locks on while others are cycling only happens on the "switched" coils/flashers.

Is this the correct flasher?

Quoted from mikemoorman:

Yes- when one of the working flashers is pulsing in coil test the #89 under the ball guide plastic near the left in lane comes on steady (goes out when I switch to the next coil in test) but the flasher in test pulses as it should.

When in test the A/C relay is also being pulsed on and off, that's why it flashes in test.

Quoted from mikemoorman:

Correct - the "A" side for Q25 works correctly.

Find the resistor board with the black/red wire. This wire goes from the resistor board to the diode board. It might be pinched somewhere to ground under the play field. If you unsolder the black/red wire from the resistor board it should turn off.

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#22 4 years ago
Quoted from mikemoorman:

Does this point to the CPU as a problem?

Normally I would have assumed that Q-25 was shorted but you say the 2a solenoid is working correctly.
If you replace the black/red wire and leave 1P11 off, does the flash lamps stay off?

#24 4 years ago
Quoted from mikemoorman:

The coil sleeve is so gummed up it doesn't return on its own.

I going to bet it is melted a bit from a transistor that is leaking current with the power on, but tests OK with the power off. I would replace Q-25 and its predriver. This should take care of your first issue.

Now for your second issue, the 50 volt power fuse.

Quoted from mikemoorman:

The bad news is within a few seconds of turning on the 2.5A fuse above the flipper power supply blows (the VIO-YEL circuit) probably as it is doing a ball search and fires a coil.

First is why is it doing a ball search? No balls?

#26 4 years ago

Put the 4 balls in the game. You don't need a fuse to troubleshoot. Turn on the game. Use a voltmeter and check the metal tabs of the TIPs for the snubber relays. A good tip will have @ 30 volts. If I remember correctly there is 6 snubber relays.

#28 4 years ago

Here you go.

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#33 4 years ago

So it looks like both issues are tied together. Time for a logic probe on U -28.

#39 4 years ago
Quoted from mikemoorman:

Where is the best place to pick up GND and +5VDC

Both test points are on the cpu board.

#42 4 years ago
Quoted from mikemoorman:

It is a weak firing as it is easily stopped

Has the power supply been recapped? Check the 24 volt power with a voltmeter for both DC and AC.

#44 4 years ago

You are getting a pulse on the 24 volt line causing the relay to pulse, since only the one relay is pulsing there may also be a issue with that snubber relay.

#47 4 years ago

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