Right, forgot about that picture! :facepalm:

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I must have zoomed in on a different one.

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Lollollol...

I've been thinking about watching the movie again, but am afraid it will result in a pre-order...

The Dude: Ah, fuck it. The Big Lebowski: Fuck it! Yes! That's your answer. That's your answer for everything! Tattoo it on your forehead!

I agree with all these great DP posts and work on the machine I did watch the movie again and am very close to pulling the trigger, if it weren't for all the other great machines on the horizon (hobbit, MMr, jpop games, predator, kill bill) I'd be in now!

It's pinballs greatest times... Not good for the wallet!

Not the angle, that's a widescreen aspect ratio LCD panel. Very interesting. And explains how they're doing a screen that big without going up into the translite like my earlier sketches showed a normal 16:9 screen would have.

I wonder where they found them? I spent a chunk of time trolling Alibaba a few years ago and had zero luck finding ultra wide LCDs between 16 - 25 inches.

Yeah, it's a super interesting size. And obviously available in smaller quantities. Not useful for older games obviously, but you have to think Stern is looking at panels like that too ...

Updates are incredible.

anyone else worried they suck too much at playing for that right ramp? it looks far off to the right, more like an outer loop shot, yet has to also have enough oomph to make it up the ramp. Think it will be hard to make from a cradle?

I'm not a great pinball player, but why worry about a ramp shot on a playfield design that hasn't been revealed in its final form yet?

I guess on a few fronts:
1) Something to talk about to stay out of the rain of WOZ and MMR threads
2) They have gotten as far as milling out some playfields with the arrow way over there, so it's somewhat firm.
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/tbl-playfield-layoutmy-thoughts/page/13#post-1812653
3) These guys haven't done this specific aspect of a game before.. setting up things for make-able shots. In my naive view of things, that ramp looks hard from the angle and from having to make the ramp at that extreme angle? If someone said "oh this is just like game X, and there's no problems with that"
4) I suck I put some time on IJ this weekend specifically because I stuck at the right ramp, let alone hitting the outer loops (that is widebody, maybe hitting the right ramp in IJ is just like hitting a TBL right ramp?). I know the outer loops on IJ i can't do from a cradle.. the ball has to have some oomph on it.

I hear what you're saying regarding IJ; I have the same challenges with the right ramp. I'm feeling confident that the boys at DP will come through with a thoroughly playable design though and as such, I'm not worried regarding the playfield layout. That said, TBL is worthy of as much discussion as can be mustered - so keep on posting!

I think the shot is very doable. The entrance is wide enough and the ramp is probably not that steep.

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Thanks for the insert-overlay

Oh yeah thanks for the insert overlay!

Guess depends on how accurate the model is on steepness.. Here it looks steep and curves around. So def only clean shot, no back hands which is fine. Will be interesting to see if its possible to do it from a cradle due to the power / far right angle.. Right now thinking no?

Ah yes, Airborne looks very similar to what's going on here. Can you hit it from a cradle or has to be moving pretty good? Does it seem particularly challenging or feels like most others?

Yeah the closer we get the more I'd like to make October.. Guess will be relying on your spy shots. Would be great if they had a partial game in the VIP suite.

I guess it comes down to how much experience really matters for the art of shot layout? People like Ritchie might be able to toss something together pretty quick and it be 95% right the first time. I'd think for the rest of us, more like 60% design and then 40% tweaking the angles?

Given DP has their shit together I'm not too worried about it either. Anxious to see a flipping whitewood or something, maybe for expo.

Hopefully, given their involvement with the dutch pinball association they'll get some prototypes in front of some outsiders for some honest opinions as well. Just for the love of god make sure the flippers are strong enough (seems to be every prototype game has this problem which turn into shit storms here)

Given how DP has done things, I doubt they will have a prototype at expo, that is open for play, if it is not damn close to what they want it to be for production and playing the way they want it to. I would like to think that is their goal, so hopefully we will all get to see it and play it.

I know, it's next to nothing, but found this tiny playfield schematic, does it reveal something new?

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He's got information man! Certain things has come to light...

yeah where the heck did that source material come from, i can't even tell what it is.. how did you even know it was a plastic? If it is, couldn't it be a cover for the back of that ramp on the left? some of it looks transparent

ok after looking at and looking at it, i finally realized what we are looking at .. some masking tape on a blueprint right? so the dots are just things like posts and such.. so, yeah, hard to tell anything from that

calm down, calm down..already said it was not much... but anyway, here's the proof:

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calmer than you are.

i know, forgot to eat these last night..

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Anybody catch Jeff Bridges interview on Howard Stern. The staff was saying he basically talks like the dude all the time. I am an admirer of the film, but not overly familiar with it. Made me think you could grab some sound from the interview if the software for TBL is open source.

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I like it, but chuck the 1998 pricing and make it 1 play = $1 and 6 plays = $5

"1 play = $1 is over the line man" < stache sip > "The dude will not stand for this aggressive pricing".

More like 1988 pricing.

$1/game is hardly aggressive for a $8k game.
Pretty inexpensive actually.

Ah Ha ha ha ha Thats Marvelous.We're all, we're all very fond of her. Very free-spirited.

He could so do another TBL but i wouldn't want him to unless the script was out of the park. So much has changed since the first. If they could figure out how to make that magic again would be something to look forward to for sure.

I really want to get on board with this game but I still want to see more before I do. I really need to see a couple more of the toys and their interaction. I also really want to see the playfield art. Beyond that ... when will they start showing some of the video clips from the game? WOZ was a letdown for me there .. the clips they have are absolutely great but for me there were far too few of them. I hope TBL is overloaded with short movie clips. Including the rug with the game?? What an awesome touch IMO!!

As I said .. I hope to get on board soon but need to see some more ...

I'd like to see the center toy before pulling the trigger on this game.
I never seen a car toy that looked good in a game, so really hoping it is not a car bash toy.

Also not thrilled about the CFTBL window being used, don't like the ball diverting edge gap. Would have preferred the AC/DC style insert. It is the difference between guaranteed ball diversion or possible raised edged down the road, I'd take the later. Maybe DP can make the window fit better than the original CFTBL did.

Eager to see more.

Which other games have car bash toys? I dunno why being a car specifically would make it bad. I've been thinking of it more (perhaps way too optimistically) like MM castle or POTC ship given the complexity of whats going on under the playfield, so multistage/highly interactive. Whatever form it takes (car or not) wouldnt matter as much.

Wasn't aware of CFTBL / Congo window issues.. It does make sense though. It's more that it lifts/sinks relative to playfield or more level but a small gap opens up over time (shrinks)? I suppose they could be using the CFTBL window for simplicity (parts availability) but also clear coat it in place (acdc).. Wouldn't be as replaceable obviously.

Street Fighter II.

Thanks, watched a video. Yeah I would hope that if the center toy is a car, it isn't like that toy we're not pushing a car here, we're destroying it (whether its the dudes car or the corvette)

I am confident they will clear coat the PF. I cannot see DP dropping the bowling ball on this after what they have shown us so far.

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