yeah sorry.. I don't see why we need a another thread. Maybe you should drain the other one Poking Phil at this point might get more response from him; which I know I don't want to see. I want them to sort it out behind the scenes and get back to me.

That, and after all the refunds have been processed or going to be processed, I'm not sure the balance left in that account is significant to the production of the machines. It is certainly significant to Barry/Jaap as that may be where their profits are stored, but hoping they have enough from people who re-upped to get the games rolling, which will lead to new orders which will lead to new profits. If it takes some extended period of time to get the money from Phil; that doesn't necessarily have to effect us customers if my assumptions are correct. (They are however, assumptions). Certainly doesn't have to be solved in "internet time"