(Topic ID: 198050)

T2 switch matrix weirdness

By cooke

6 years ago



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    #1 6 years ago

    I'm working on a T2 with Column 2 not working. The thing I can't figure out is that it's working enough to let the game boot and play. Let me explain:

    Column 2 is the one that contains the "Test Position Always Closed" switch (#24) that allows the game to "see" that the switch matrix is receiving power. If I try to boot the game without J207 connected, the game (obviously) doesn't work and reports the "Check Fuses F114 and F115" error.

    Now here's the screwy part: no other switches in that column work. Even at the MPU, shorting row headers to the the column 2 header directly with a wire & diode shows no action on that column, so I'm convinced the issue is on the board. I replaced the ULN2803 and the problem persists. Before I move to the LS374, I want someone to convince me I'm moving in the right direction (or not). It seems odd that the whole column is out except for that one "normally closed" switch.

    Board is corrosion-free.

    Any help would be greatly appreciated.

    Corey

    #2 6 years ago

    Are you saying that sw#24 is present in the matrix but the rest of column 2 doesn't work ?

    If so, measure continuity between pins on J212-2, J206-2 and J207-2

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    #3 6 years ago

    I have confirmed continuity from J206 and J207 through to each of the appropriate pins on the ULN2803. I have not confirmed continuity between J212-2 and J206-2. If there isn't continuity there, what would that tell me? I also haven't yet confirmed continuity between J206-2 and C12 or R68.

    #4 6 years ago
    Quoted from cooke:

    have not confirmed continuity between J212-2 and J206-2. If there isn't continuity there, what would that tell me?

    It was more the other way around. You plugged into J207 and missed Col.2, and I understood you still had sw.#24 from J212.
    So there was a possibility that a broken trace just above J207 could have caused this.
    But with (confirmed) continuity from J206 to J207, this theory is not valid.

    If you have verified continuity between J212-2,J206-2,J207-2, junction C12-R68 (check both as well for short-open) and U20-19, then the next step is to measure (with a scope or logic probe) if Col.2 is pulsing.

    #5 6 years ago
    Quoted from cooke:

    shorting row headers to the the column 2 header directly with a wire & diode shows no action on that column, so I'm convinced the issue is on the board.

    I would retest this without a diode; since the always closed switch is working correctly, you know your column 2 pulse is being generated. Since you haven't mentioned any issues with rows not working I'm assuming the rows are working, which means pulsing any/all of the row with the negative going column 2 pulse WILL cause the appropriate switch to close.

    #6 6 years ago

    Thanks for the advice. I just went ahead an replaced the LS374 and the issue has now been resolved. The old chip tested bad in my tester. All good now.

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