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T2 “Ground Short- Rows 2-7” at Start Up

By tharjus

2 years ago


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#13 2 years ago
Quoted from tharjus:

Before I cause any further damage, i took your advice and called in the big guns for assistance.
Thanks for everyone’s input.

Did you find a resolution? I'm experiencing the exact same thing with a brand new PCB after doing an LED swap (powered on)

#15 2 years ago
Quoted from ChrisHibler:

It is almost a certainty that U20 was damaged.
It is an ULN2803.
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Chris Hibler - CARGPB #31
http://www.ChrisHiblerPinball.com/Contact
http://www.PinWiki.com - The Place to go for Pinball Repair Info

Appreciate it, they're cheap enough to just order new ones and try out (hopefully this works on my BSD too) but maybe I can try and diagnose it first.

I'm pretty new to the hobby and finally have a place to start going through the machines I've been collecting for 2 years, T2 is a mess.

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#18 1 year ago
Quoted from ChrisHibler:

It is almost a certainty that U20 was damaged.
It is an ULN2803.
--
Chris Hibler - CARGPB #31
http://www.ChrisHiblerPinball.com/Contact
http://www.PinWiki.com - The Place to go for Pinball Repair Info

Replaced U20 and it un-bricked my switch matrix, but now none of the switches in column 3 will register. I replaced all the connectors to make sure I had good contacts

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Also, targets 1-4 in column 7 simultaneously activate the corresponding switches in column 1 but not vice-versa, but that was an issue before I shorted the new cpu board

I did purchase the logic probe but unsure of how to power/use it, can I simply remove all connections from the CPU save from the power driver board, turn on the machine and attach as shown in your link?

#23 1 year ago
Quoted from eyeamred2u:

Have you tested the associated resistors and caps below U20?
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Quoted from PinballManiac40:

Sounds like you broke a trace to column 3 changing U20.

Quoted from ChrisHibler:

Black probe power clip onto negative lead of C31, the filter cap adjacent to J210.
Red probe power clip on positive lead of C31.
Power on.
Touch the end of your probe. red/green lights on probe should react and perhaps an audible buzz.
Probe pins 11-18 of U20.
Each pin should be pulsing.
If not, probe pins 1-8. Any pin not pulsing will have a broken trace between U20 and the supplying chip.
--
Chris Hibler - CARGPB #31
http://www.ChrisHiblerPinball.com/Contact
http://www.PinWiki.com - The Place to go for Pinball Repair Info[quoted image]

Alright, will do, thanks for pointing me in the right direction.

#24 1 year ago
Quoted from ChrisHibler:

Black probe power clip onto negative lead of C31, the filter cap adjacent to J210.
Red probe power clip on positive lead of C31.
Power on.
Touch the end of your probe. red/green lights on probe should react and perhaps an audible buzz.
Probe pins 11-18 of U20.
Each pin should be pulsing.
If not, probe pins 1-8. Any pin not pulsing will have a broken trace between U20 and the supplying chip.
--
Chris Hibler - CARGPB #31
http://www.ChrisHiblerPinball.com/Contact
http://www.PinWiki.com - The Place to go for Pinball Repair Info[quoted image]

Positions 11 & 16 on the output, 3 & 8 on the input did not pulse.
J206/207 position 3, no pulse.

Pulled the board off to inspect and found this:
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Looks like a possible errant bridge between Resistors 70 & 71, kind of hard to tell, but the resistance on both checks out. Continuity from J206/207 to U20 then from U20 to U14 also checks out which leads me to believe that maybe I fried U14 too, so I checked it with my DMM and it looks like position 5 has a short, which correlates with no pulse positions on U20 and J206/207. So I’ll get to replacing it as well and cross my fingers

#26 1 year ago
Quoted from ChrisHibler:

The solder bridge is inconsequential since it bridges leads that are already connected via the trace.
U14 is often damaged in addition to U20.
Is that an OEM board of aftermarket?
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Chris Hibler - CARGPB #31
http://www.ChrisHiblerPinball.com/Contact
http://www.PinWiki.com - The Place to go for Pinball Repair Info

Aftermarket, this one:
https://www.marcospecialties.com/pinball-parts/A-12742-XXXXX

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