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T2 - Ball popper switch wiring.

By ruddiger52

1 year ago


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#1 1 year ago

Could someone do me solid and post a pic of the proper way to wire the ball popper switch behind the skull. I had a wire pop off which I did solder back on. However the switch is still dead as well as other switches in that column of the matrix. Just want to make sure it’s correct.

Thanks!!!

#2 1 year ago

Small update. All of the switches in that column are dead

#3 1 year ago

Another update. I tried switching out the socketed uln2803 chip. Still have the whole column dead. Is it possible the socket is bad?

#4 1 year ago
Quoted from ruddiger52:

I had a wire pop off which I did solder back on.

Look at all the other switches in your game. All wired the same. White wire and black end of the diode to a lug, green wire to a lug, silver band end of the diode to a lug.

Do you have a broken wire from CPU to first switch ?

Remove the column connector that is out from the cpu and with a wire and diode see if the CPU has an issue or it is good and problem lies out in the game.

LTG : )

#5 1 year ago
Quoted from ruddiger52:

Is it possible the socket is bad?

I doubt it. Did you blow the new chip already ?

LTG : )

#6 1 year ago

If there are two green wires do they go to the same lug?

I soldered the broken green wire to the lug with the other green wire.

I tried multiple chips and having the same issue. Normally When I blow that chip things go haywire. Never had one dead column.

Could a fuse be the issue?

Will try pulling the connector tonight.

Thx for the help !

#7 1 year ago
Quoted from ruddiger52:

If there are two green wires do they go to the same lug?

Yes.

Not a fuse issue.

LTG : )

#8 1 year ago

Look at this.

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#9 1 year ago

Thanks for that. Does the number 07 on U20 correspond to the 07 on the j207 connector? Should I be figuring out if those have continuity? According to the matrix 07 is the column that is dead.

#10 1 year ago
Quoted from ruddiger52:

Does the number 07 on U20 correspond to the 07 on the j207 connector?

Yes, but the easiest way is to check with a jumper.
Unplug J206 to J209 + J212 and go into switch-test

see animation:
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/wpc-89-cpu-board-info#post-3872333

#11 1 year ago
Quoted from zaza:

Yes, but the easiest way is to check with a jumper.
Unplug J206 to J209 + J212 and go into switch-test
see animation:
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/wpc-89-cpu-board-info#post-3872333

Thanks for Jumping in Zaza. Trying to jump on while traveling is so difficult.

#12 1 year ago

No problem. Safe travels.

#13 1 year ago

Ok so I did the jumper test. The number 7 pin on 206 does not register any switches. The rest of the pins seem fine. Since I’ve tried multiple new chips in u20. Possible the socket is loose? Or am I looking at a larger issue??

Thanks for all the help!!!!

#14 1 year ago

Could be a few things.

1st you want to know if the socket has been installed the proper way.

Machine OFF
Is there continuity between U20-12 and J207-7
And is there continuity between U20-7 and U14-15 (orange 7 in picture above)

If both connections are ok, you will need a logic probe to see if the line is pulsing at U14, U20, J207

#15 1 year ago

Yes there is continuity between U20-12 and J207-7

Yes there is continuity between U20-07 and U-14 on the 7 pin

The U-15 chip however only had continuity between its top left pin and U20-07 orange. No other combination of pins between those chips had continuity

#16 1 year ago

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If you are saying that U14 pin 15 (orange 7) has continuity with the ground of U15 (blue square), then either U14-15 is stuck LOW or U20-12 is.
Or maybe a short somewhere on the traces

U20 is on a socket so when chip is removed from it and there is still a short to GND, only 2 options are left.

#17 1 year ago

Sorry I didn’t test that U14 pin 15 (orange 7) has continuity with the ground of U15 (blue square),

What I did find was that the u15 (blue square) has continuity with U20-07. But no other pin from u15 has continuity with any pin on u20

#18 1 year ago

If U20-7 has continuity with U15 pin 10 (blue square) , then there is a short somewhere to GROUND.

Are there signs of other repairs on this board ? (besides socket on U20).

#19 1 year ago

Tried to make a video of what I'm getting now...

#20 1 year ago

All readings in the videoclip are as expected.
That means that U14 pin 15 and/or U20 pin7 (orange 7) is/are shorted to Ground.

#21 1 year ago

Would replacing the chips fix that? If not what should I be looking for ?

#22 1 year ago

most likely it would fix that.

#23 1 year ago

Thank you! I have ordered the chips and will follow up with the results

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